United States is defined almost everywhere as the District of Columbia and its possessions. The republic is not the same thing as their democracy, which came with the usury bank. It had to, really, as our Constitution for the united States of America clearly states that only the Congress can coin money, and it must be gold, silver, or notes redeemable in gold or silver. So they created a democracy where private kike banking can print monopoly currency and nothing can ever be paid for since it’s not redeemable in gold or silver. Just a giant debt scam of IOUs
Nor is state National / Citizenship the same thing as US citizenship, which was created for niggers because our actual laws don’t recognize them as Citizens, so the district created citizenship for them, and through social security, offered it to an unsuspecting nation.
It has been referred to as State National as well, which I believe came from the Naturalization Act, 1779. It is also defined in 8 USC s 1101 (a) (21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state. (23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. Some prefer to only use the term National, and stay clear of the term Citizen completely. If you read the Constitution, you’ll notice the term Citizen is used until the 14th amendment when the Congress created its federal citizenship
America’s original 13 colonies were property of England, and everyone that lived there were subjects to the king. After the war and subsequent peace treaty, the people were recognized as sovereign on the land. All born on American soil have birthright Citizenship. That is to say, a human born on the soil of Texas is a Texan etc. so state Citizen, State National et al as long as you recognize the distinction between that status and that of a citizen of the United States or a U.S. citizen or a US citizen or whatever colorable terms they invent
These are definitions as they apply to 8 U.S. Code Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
Chapter 12 section 1401 makes it clear that if you are a state "national", then you are a citizen of the United States.
The following shall be nationals AND (emphasis added) citizens of the United States at birth:
You may "owe a permanent allegiance" to a state but you are a citizen of the United States under Section 8 Chapter 12.
Reading further subsection a., 1401 makes it clear that if you are born in any state in the US you are a citizen of the US, not a citizen of a state.
(a)a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
b. though h. make is clear where else you can be born and still be a US citizen, not a citizen of any state.
"Naturalization" applies to 1421 which basically gives all the ways the Attorney General of the United States has set forth to become a citizen of the United States. It gives no authority or references to any state of the union. The only naturalization authorized by Section 8 Chapter 12, where the definition applies, is for citizenship of the United States conferredby the US AG.
1421 d States,
(d)Sole procedure
A person may only be naturalized as a citizen of the United States in the manner and under the conditions prescribed in this subchapter and not otherwise.
Your legal theory is simply wrong. It's not backed by law and it's certainly not part of these definitions or their use in 8 USC 12.
The Constitution is the rules written for this federal government. There is no reason to refer to anyone as a citizen until the 14th Amendment which was passed to confer the limits of the federal government with regards to rights and privileges of US citizenship to the states.
Before the passage of the 14th Amendment, limitations on the federal government with respect to rights and privilege of citizens were not conveyed upon state governments, which have their own state constitutions which set restrictions on state government with respect to rights and privileges of the people where the state has jurisdiction. Post 14th Amendment, the states had all the limitations of the federal government, in addition to the limits imposed upon the state governments.
That’s why I said the terms are colorable. United States National is a citizen of the United States. It could probably be said, in some definitions, that a State National is as well. But using state, as in state Citizen, in its common form attempts to make a distinction from any colorable term of art. United States is usually defined as the District of Columbia and its possessions, so Guam, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico etc. and often times they’ll start it with “the States and District of Columbia…” and when you find their definition of State, it’s the District of Columbia and its possessions; so “DC and DC…”. Even when the definition tries to say something along the lines of “in the geographical sense…” it always has an exception for how the term is being applied, and therefore the geographical sense of the term means nothing in context.
The 14th amendment says in clause 1 “This provision grants citizenship to formerly enslaved individuals and ensures that all citizens have equal protection under the law”
“A person who is a citizen of the United States is necessarily a citizen of the particular State in which he resides. But a person may be a citizen of a particular state and not a citizen of the United States. To hold otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest exercise of its sovereignty, the right to declare who are its citizens.” State V. Fowler, (41 La. Ann. 380 6 S. 602)
“There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens. One of the United States and one of the state. One class of citizenship may exist in a person, without the other, as in the case of a resident of the District of Columbia; but both classes usually exist in the same person.” Gardina V. Board of Registrars, (160 Ala. 155 48 S. 788, 791)
“There is a distinction between citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a particular state, and a person may be the former without being the latter.” Alla V. Kornfield, (84 F. Supp. 823)
Quit cutting and pasting utterly dumb shit to try to make a point that isn't true.
colorable
Meaning to shift meanings with no actual fact needed. "Color of law" for example. Seems like law, is not law. When something is "colorable" it means it can be made to look like something it isn't.
You said,
Nor is state National / Citizenship the same thing as US citizenship, which was created for niggers because our actual laws don’t recognize them as Citizens, so the district created citizenship for them, and through social security, offered it to an unsuspecting nation.
This isn't true. Anyone who is a national is a US citizen. There is no difference in any legal sense.
You cited
41 La. Ann. 380 6 S. 602
The quote you cited is completely out of context to the argument that you're making. The complainant in that case wanted to hold office in LA but was not an official resident of LA, though he was a citizen of the United States. The case determined that being a citizen of the US meant that he was eligible for that office, suggesting that there was not a separation and that LA could not bar him from holding office.
Then you cited
160 Ala. 155 48 S. 788, 791
And, of course, like usually done when people cut and paste shit that they know nothing about, they never bother to actually read the decision and miss every aspect of the case. No different than when you cited definitions that had dick to do with the actual law.
The Supreme Court of Nebraska has held that “citizen,” as used in that Constitution, relative to the right to hold office, means a person who is an American citizen by birth or a person of foreign birth who has been natural*162ized. — State v. Boyd, 31 Neb. 682, 48 N. W. 739, 51 N. W. 602. The Constitution of the United States provides : “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” Const, Amend. 14. Congress of the United States has exclusive power to provide for naturalization, and is required to establish a uniform rule for all states, though it may provide for naturalization to be acquired by and through state courts. — Constitution U. S. art. 1, §8, sub. 4. Naturalization is therefore a national right and privilege, rather than a matter of state concern. — • Scott v. Strobach, 49 Ala. 490.
Post 14th Amendment, according to the case you cited to suggest that there is legal distinction between the 2, insists otherwise. That no, after the 14th Amendment was adopted, there is no citizen of a state, in no sense that matters. They are citizens of the United States.
And finally, you cited
Alla V. Kornfield, (84 F. Supp. 823)
And again, if you had even bothered to read the case you cited, you'd clearly see that you're removing the context from the case to push a illogical assertion. That assertion being that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a citizen of the United States. In this case, the defendant was a citizen of the US but lived in a foreign country and therefore could not be sued in a US federal court. And, the decision is correct. You can't sue a fuckin' Mexican, living in Mexico, here in the US, even if he has US citizenship. But this does not support your argument that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a citizen of the US.
If you need a concession that yes, you can be a US citizen not living in the US and therfore not subject to the jurisdiction of any US Civil Court, fine. But to suggest that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a US citizen is just plain wrong.
What do you mean "under what authority"? The rules have been being flouted since before the Korean war. Kamala may not even have known about this until boots were already on the ground..
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Nor is state National / Citizenship the same thing as US citizenship, which was created for niggers because our actual laws don’t recognize them as Citizens, so the district created citizenship for them, and through social security, offered it to an unsuspecting nation.
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(23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
Some prefer to only use the term National, and stay clear of the term Citizen completely. If you read the Constitution, you’ll notice the term Citizen is used until the 14th amendment when the Congress created its federal citizenship
America’s original 13 colonies were property of England, and everyone that lived there were subjects to the king. After the war and subsequent peace treaty, the people were recognized as sovereign on the land. All born on American soil have birthright Citizenship. That is to say, a human born on the soil of Texas is a Texan etc. so state Citizen, State National et al as long as you recognize the distinction between that status and that of a citizen of the United States or a U.S. citizen or a US citizen or whatever colorable terms they invent
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These are definitions as they apply to 8 U.S. Code Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
Chapter 12 section
1401 makes it clear that if you are a state "national", then you are a citizen of the United States.
You may "owe a permanent allegiance" to a state but you are a citizen of the United States under Section 8 Chapter 12.
Reading further subsection a., 1401 makes it clear that if you are born in any state in the US you are a citizen of the US, not a citizen of a state.
b. though h. make is clear where else you can be born and still be a US citizen, not a citizen of any state.
"Naturalization" applies to 1421 which basically gives all the ways the Attorney General of the United States has set forth to become a citizen of the United States. It gives no authority or references to any state of the union. The only naturalization authorized by Section 8 Chapter 12, where the definition applies, is for citizenship of the United States conferredby the US AG.
1421 d States,
Your legal theory is simply wrong. It's not backed by law and it's certainly not part of these definitions or their use in 8 USC 12.
The Constitution is the rules written for this federal government. There is no reason to refer to anyone as a citizen until the 14th Amendment which was passed to confer the limits of the federal government with regards to rights and privileges of US citizenship to the states.
Before the passage of the 14th Amendment, limitations on the federal government with respect to rights and privilege of citizens were not conveyed upon state governments, which have their own state constitutions which set restrictions on state government with respect to rights and privileges of the people where the state has jurisdiction. Post 14th Amendment, the states had all the limitations of the federal government, in addition to the limits imposed upon the state governments.
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The 14th amendment says in clause 1 “This provision grants citizenship to formerly enslaved individuals and ensures that all citizens have equal protection under the law”
“A person who is a citizen of the United States is necessarily a citizen of the particular State in which he resides. But a person may be a citizen of a particular state and not a citizen of the United States. To hold otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest exercise of its sovereignty, the right to declare who are its citizens.” State V. Fowler, (41 La. Ann. 380 6 S. 602)
“There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens. One of the United States and one of the state. One class of citizenship may exist in a person, without the other, as in the case of a resident of the District of Columbia; but both classes usually exist in the same person.”
Gardina V. Board of Registrars, (160 Ala. 155 48 S. 788, 791)
“There is a distinction between citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a particular state, and a person may be the former without being the latter.”
Alla V. Kornfield, (84 F. Supp. 823)
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Meaning to shift meanings with no actual fact needed. "Color of law" for example. Seems like law, is not law. When something is "colorable" it means it can be made to look like something it isn't.
You said,
This isn't true. Anyone who is a national is a US citizen. There is no difference in any legal sense.
You cited
Then you cited
And, of course, like usually done when people cut and paste shit that they know nothing about, they never bother to actually read the decision and miss every aspect of the case. No different than when you cited definitions that had dick to do with the actual law.
Post 14th Amendment, according to the case you cited to suggest that there is legal distinction between the 2, insists otherwise. That no, after the 14th Amendment was adopted, there is no citizen of a state, in no sense that matters. They are citizens of the United States.
And finally, you cited
And again, if you had even bothered to read the case you cited, you'd clearly see that you're removing the context from the case to push a illogical assertion. That assertion being that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a citizen of the United States. In this case, the defendant was a citizen of the US but lived in a foreign country and therefore could not be sued in a US federal court. And, the decision is correct. You can't sue a fuckin' Mexican, living in Mexico, here in the US, even if he has US citizenship. But this does not support your argument that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a citizen of the US.
If you need a concession that yes, you can be a US citizen not living in the US and therfore not subject to the jurisdiction of any US Civil Court, fine. But to suggest that you can be a citizen of a state and NOT a US citizen is just plain wrong.
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