I was in the Coast Guard in NYC from '84-'86. I was in and out of Port Newark a lot. I rode with NYC Ship Pilots.
It was common knowledge that the Container Carrier ships only required 2 men on the pier to unload.
The Union contract had grandfathered in that there would be 20 something Longshoremen assigned to each ship unloading. I cant remember the exact number but it was around 20.
This was a remnant of the WWII days when they actually needed that many men to load/unload a ship. And it probably predates that!
The fact is theres a ton of deadweight collecting checks in every port in America and you can bet that hasnt changed in the intervening 38 years.
Interesting side note. The Pilots Association jobs are handed down within families! You have to be born into it! They were great guys though and very friendly to me when I told them where I had been and what I had done.
Remember when the Govt broke the Air Traffic Controllers union?
Remember when the Govt broke the Air Traffic Controllers union?
yeah but this wont likely happen this time around because the psychopaths wants to inflict the most amount of psychological and monetary damage on the populace
if this CONflict extends you can expect prices of commodities and groceries to tend higher with the added inflation even.
and these folks are earning more than 1000 bucks a week already and they want more. even if they lose the damage will be already done.
Technically both statements can be true, but why say 52k when you meant 6figs? "6 figures" still isn't an amount I really don't know how much they make, and you're not helping
Intellect is stopping them. They collect money for dead-weight jobs in a union. They haven't had to think about a job, training, or any of that for decades.
Lots of bullshit here, first of all the only reason they are making 6 figures is the OT, longshoreman make 88k as an average.
The reason they are striking is automation and only automation. They will not budge on this aspect on either side.
Reason is because this profession is all these fucks have, look at where they live and the neighborhoods around them.
They are really only ensuring a future for their kids and so on, you are correct about the dead weight, but it is for eyes on the cans, and equipment because they have a fucking lot of on the job injuries.
Also they automate the docks they can't be stealing anymore, or human cargo transports without raising eyes.
LONGSHOREMEN are a fucking joke...for 25 years I had cranes on the docks, Longshoremen tried to shut me down unless I met certain conditions....so the entire operation went to another site away from union jurisdiction and all ships, mostly pipe billots from Argentina, were offloaded without harrassment bullshit...those fucking guys are useless, their "thugish" influence got a few of them badly beaten up and they never even looked our way again...half dozen night shift guys and the day supervisor were "1%"ers and very tight bros with me....fuck man, I've got stories.
Hey you get what you can negotiate in this world. More power to them if they can negotiate it. You can't sit there and say the owner of a company can make billions and say you defend capitalism and then suddenly not defend capitalism when a group of people who are workers get together and also make excess profits. Either your for capitalism or you're against it.
I just wish we all had unions and union leaders that fought for us is hard as these guys have.
Jeff bezos made billions of dollars because of this these guys unloading the products from China that he sold on amazon. Good on them if they can make $200,000 each a year for doing it.
Those longshoremen make more than me so I must tear them down!
Instead of
I'm going to get together with the other people that do whatever I do and we're going to hold out until we get paid something that actually allows us to gain a lot of wealth from the sons of bitches that own all the stock that are billionaires.
so the op is saying that 2 guys need to work their ass off while the government mandates a bunch of rules and paperwork, also the 3-4 security guards , one at the main gate, one at the dock and one watching these two via cameras who are all either ex meth heads or have 1 step in the grave sit in a booth/car and watch you work. yeah this makes sense. How about you unload the ship, -cranes, hoses, conveyors, etc and Ill watch you do it making sure you show me id once in while when im just sitting there watching. Somthing tells me your not a worker, but a welfare recipient.
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yeah but this wont likely happen this time around because the psychopaths wants to inflict the most amount of psychological and monetary damage on the populace
if this CONflict extends you can expect prices of commodities and groceries to tend higher with the added inflation even.
and these folks are earning more than 1000 bucks a week already and they want more. even if they lose the damage will be already done.
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Technically both statements can be true, but why say 52k when you meant 6figs?
"6 figures" still isn't an amount
I really don't know how much they make, and you're not helping
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The reason they are striking is automation and only automation. They will not budge on this aspect on either side.
Reason is because this profession is all these fucks have, look at where they live and the neighborhoods around them.
They are really only ensuring a future for their kids and so on, you are correct about the dead weight, but it is for eyes on the cans, and equipment because they have a fucking lot of on the job injuries.
Also they automate the docks they can't be stealing anymore, or human cargo transports without raising eyes.
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If they hadn't, I'd argue diversity would have never been allowed in the first place and planes wouldn't be falling out of the sky every week.
Look at japan. Every industry is a pseudo-family-owned cartel, pure nepotism.
And it has fucking worked for them for centuries.
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I just wish we all had unions and union leaders that fought for us is hard as these guys have.
Jeff bezos made billions of dollars because of this these guys unloading the products from China that he sold on amazon. Good on them if they can make $200,000 each a year for doing it.
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Those longshoremen make more than me so I must tear them down!
Instead of
I'm going to get together with the other people that do whatever I do and we're going to hold out until we get paid something that actually allows us to gain a lot of wealth from the sons of bitches that own all the stock that are billionaires.
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