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Anyone read the apocrypha?

submitted by MaryXmas to Catholic 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 17:32:24 ago (+9/-0)     (Catholic)

Enoch, Adam and Eve, giants, jasher... Anything I should look for? Any recommended print publications?


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[ - ] BulletStopper 5 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 20:27:54 ago (+5/-0)

The book of Enoch has a lot to say on the subject of angels.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 3 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 18:06:54 ago (+3/-0)

Absolutely not the jewish apocrypha, although I've read a fair amount of Christian apocrypha, such as the Infancy Gospels and Pilate's Epistles affirming his belief in Jesus as the son of God.

[ - ] MaryXmas [op] 2 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 19:14:41 ago (+2/-0)

Yeah, they tend to be a little old testament.

[ - ] puremadness 1 point 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 18:41:45 ago (+1/-0)

How did he justify that belief? Had he seen something? Heard something? Anything?
Not being a shit, I'm genuinely curious.

[ - ] MaryXmas [op] 1 point 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 19:13:58 ago (+1/-0)

Well, pilot believed in Greek gods so he didn't really know what to make of the whole thing. They would ask the Devine chickens for guidance and stuff like that. The dolorous passion of Christ was written by a mystic and had visions of the crucification. His wife was super freaked and he had great pause. He was actually hailed in early Christianity because he kept pushing it back on the jews.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 0 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 19:10:01 ago (+1/-1)

Well, they're apocryphal, so there's very little chance he ever wrote them, especially since like most Greek Christian apocrypha they can't be traced earlier than the third century, so they're likely a fraudulent manuscripts. You can read them here:

https://sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob29.htm

You can read more about them here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_cycle

I myself believe in the historical reality of Jesus, but I do not believe these letters are genuine.

Also, if you're a literary type, one of the greatest Russian language novels ever written, "The Master and Margarita", incorporates this theme, that Pilate met and judged Christ and came be believe he was the redeemer. This wiki article is good. It was made into a Russian mini-series, ten episodes I believe, in 2005. It's funny and brilliant and well worth anyone's time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_Margarita

[ - ] puremadness 2 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 18:38:11 ago (+2/-0)

I hear the Book of Enoch is pretty wild.

[ - ] Theo 1 point 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 03:32:43 ago (+1/-0)

The book of Genesis and the book of Jasher both have accounts of Horites being allied with the Edomites.

There's some archeological support of the Horites being associated with giants.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xjbvJWd1WVzF

[ - ] Endo_Aryan 1 point 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 00:23:33 ago (+1/-0)

I also don't have Jasher in print but Christopher Glyn reads it and other apocrypha on YouTube and he has a great voice. Another one is the book of Jubilees that I want to get to eventually. Please let me know if you read them so we can discuss! The story of Adam and Eve is pretty sad, it's all about their repentance and coming to terms with their fallen state, and the devil keeps messing with them. That's where "disguises himself as an angel of light" comes from.

[ - ] Endo_Aryan 1 point 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 00:18:32 ago (+1/-0)

I've read Enoch a few times. My favorite parts are: what it says about the luminary bodies being completely misunderstood at the end of times (modern age), how the book would be hidden until the last generations, and the summary of the Bible told through various animal metaphors. I'm also about halfway through Jasher and the book of Adam and Eve. I couldn't find a print compilation of all the OT books, but I have "The Lost Books of the Bible" that has some of those books mentioned and NT books like the Gospel of Thomas and another of Mary, but I haven't read those yet.

There are proofs that Enoch and Jasher were at least widely known by the Israelites in the Bible. Enoch is quoted in Jude and somewhere in the OT a prophet quotes Jasher as though it's common knowledge.

[ - ] Theo 2 points 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 03:49:09 ago (+2/-0)

Animal metaphors: the power of the dog:

Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Psalms 22:20

102 And Jesus said: Woe to them, the Pharisees! For they are like a dog sleeping in the manger of the cattle; for he neither eats nor does he let the cattle eat.

https://carm.org/lost-books/the-gospel-of-thomas/

For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:15

[ - ] Endo_Aryan 1 point 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 10:08:03 ago (+1/-0)

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly. Proverbs 26:11

I also like the metaphor of the "hound of heaven" chasing down the people of God until they answer to Jesus' knock at their door. It's not biblical, I heard it in a sermon, but I like that image. The hound was certainly on my trail until I came to my senses.

[ - ] glooper 1 point 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 17:37:22 ago (+2/-1)

I believe the book of Juda has been "added" It's an interesting read.


Lilith (and the many wives of adam before even lilith) is a fun story.

Giants are always a good one, since more and more, it looks like there was, in fact, a large species of homo on the planet at some point.


The dates of things... as it's starting to look like human things go back way farther then our current understanding of 12,800 years...

Thent he "why" of why these were not part of the official bible or were pulled. (that wacky King David not withstanding.)

[ - ] puremadness 2 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 18:40:48 ago (+2/-0)

I'm keen on the more oxygen, bigger animals thing... made me wonder, what if all is normal, everything giant in hi-oxy world. Then something, volcano or comet or other misc cosmic bullshit occurs and kinda vents it a bit, some stuff dies, less o2 produces, never regains full blown giant world and all the creatures die off or get smaller. Maybe we were always small and the big ones were different and we were their slaves. idfk but beats counting ceiling tiles.

[ - ] MaryXmas [op] 1 point 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 17:39:28 ago (+1/-0)

I am not so upset about them not being part of the cannon, but they are sure fuckin interesting to read. I am assuming the ones you mentioned are all part of the collection but let me know if there is something I should look for.

[ - ] Dingo 0 points 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 01:43:43 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 7 monthsSep 29, 2024 00:27:32 ago (+0/-0)

Read the epic of gilgamesh.

Learn zoroastrianism.

Learn that the three wise men were magi.

Learn that jesus was of nazarene. A jewish kabalah cult

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 17:44:59 ago (+2/-2)*

The New Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha is good if you want an "History/Archeology Oriented Bible".
It provides a lot of details that are otherwise obscure to a modern reader.
Like, how much was a "Sheckle" actually worth to a bronze age Jew?

Read Maccabees.
It's important because it verifies that the heroes of the Bible ARE Jews, and the "villians" are the European powers, at that time, the Selucid Dynasty, which was attempting to civilize the barbaric Jews.

The reason it is omitted is because Christ-Cucks must believe that their God is a universal God.
But the jig is up once the Christ-Cucks find out that, just a few years before Jesus was born, The Jew-God was still firmly on the side of the Jews, and not anyone close to European.

So, Maccabees got the axe once Christianity started subverting Europeans.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper -1 points 7 monthsSep 28, 2024 17:55:27 ago (+0/-1)

...and there's "Melchizedek"...is it any wonder I couldn't take the "biblical account" seriously anymore?