I'll raise you: tree cutters. No, not arborists. I mean the two-man crews that meander through neighborhoods in pickups from 2003-2007 looking for jobs.
One guy climbs. The other guy knows a lot of knots and needs to borrow your rake.
Agreed. A lot of them have an inferiority complex and walk around with invisible suitcases under their arms. In conversation they need you to know how "manly" the work is and therefore how superior they are to the other trades that don't involve a fall hazard. Of course there's cool ones too.
Are they above or below drywallers on the strange hierarchy ladder? How about painters?
The hierarchy: from the bottom of the barrel to the elite: 1.) painters / mud&tape guys / plasterers 2.) drywallers (board hangers) 3.) form guys / foundations 4.) roofers 5.) framers 6.) finish carpenters / trim / doors / windows, etc.
there are also the ancillary trade guys that mingle with us all on the job site (electricians, plumbers, HVAC - the fat realtor, etc. But just purely for the construction part, my list is accurate. Yeah, roofers are a mix of ex convicts, drug addicts and alcoholics, but not everyone is willing to hang by their tits on a 12 pitch roof that was staged by someone with a hangover, stripping shingles in 110 degree heat
The Brazilians that come up to make enough to retire back home after a few years are a different breed all together. Those mother fuckers tackle a roof with like 20 people, bang that shit out quick. To me they all look sober
I’d put brick masons right above framers, but the block humpers are a bit lower. I did commercial masonry labor for years with a union company, so glad I went back to school to get out. I was solid as a rock though, able to lift 2 - 12 inch blocks at once onto the scaffold over my head. Worked with some real cool people, it’s like this site but at work.
With you on painters (don't know any mudders or plasters). I used to think it was exposure to the solvents that fried their brains and made them mad as hatters. But for years now paint is so non-toxic you can almost drink it. But painters are all still whacked. My buddy's theory is that painting is essentially a solitary profession so it's going to attract people that either don't get along with others or just plain want to be left alone. He might have something there.
Actually being in the crane rental industry our big money jobs were transformers (electricians), Hydro towers (linemen) and HVAC...big lifts require a big crane and when a 3,700lb HVAC or Air Filtration unit had to go onto a roof top of a 500/600/700ft building right downtown the job would require a unit like an LTM1750-1, over 400 tons of ballast, and 450ft of luffing boom which attached to the 190ft main boom, 2 days mobilize and assemble and the same out at an average cost of $1,700.00 per hr x 40hrs plus freight on components, usually in the metro areas the average freight cost is around $40 000.00 - $60,000.00 and that's for maybe a half dozen lifts.(old units down new units up) and street closures...HVAC is best for us and most guys are good easy going guys.
@clymer...good reply...BUT...Crane Operators are the APEX tradesmen...we work with mainly Ironworker/steel erectors and then pipe fitters, boiler makers. But also, my post is in reference to the failed assassination attempt on Trump...the guy's a roofer.
[ - ] clymer 1 point 7 monthsSep 17, 2024 06:07:03 ago (+1/-0)
I read a few of his google reviews, I suspect the guy was just a loser that latched onto whatever could net him the most $$ without having to resort to working a real job and for an actual boss. I used to work with a guy in IT support (Long after my construction career), he asked me about roofers in the area because he wanted his house done, I told him that I would get him a couple of names and before I could he hired some dude. He got his name from the local lumber yard, card tacked to the wall. He asked me to look at the finished job like a month later on a saturday, so I swing by and take a look. What I saw I cannot even describe. It was the most bizarre fucking thing - he told the roofer he hired that he wanted three-tab shingles (I think he actually used IKO brand, they are out of your neck of the woods up there in Canada, and have a metric dimension but they are the least expensive three-tab shingle) and you can tell that this moron never roofed with three-tabs before, so he tried laying them out just like architectual-style shingles, cutting them at 6" and staggering them like architectural style, but he also overlapped the butt joints because he couldn't understand the layout. Fucking disgusting appearance and he did THE ENTIRE ROOF this way. No way he pulled a permit, the inspector would have made him strip the roof and start over. Poor guy got screwed.
i’ll second that. my first college roommate was a roofer and a unique kind of trashy, dim-witted douchebag. i remember his aol instant messenger away message was this html-rich, sparkly gay shit with roofing inside jokes. hailing from a cape cod trailer park, he carried on like his roofing friends were like some gang and he had some bad ass cape cod street cred. 2 packs a day and he smoked em in our dorm room.
I did some roofing for about 2 1/2 years when I was much younger. Roofers are definitely a different breed. A bunch of tough motherfuckers too. You probably don’t want to fuck with a hot, tired roofer on his way home. I made some good money.
@TheOriginalIceMonkey...one of the very few trusted friends I have has done very well in the Industrial roofing business....I bonded his first job 20years ago, today he owns a Bison Ranch, a township in the bush with trout lakes, 2 airplanes and another home in Grayling Michigan, he's loyal as fuck to me...I made him heir to my machine shop, reloading equipment and my entire weapons collection, he even has the combinations to my firearms and ammo storage and two vault safes, and he gave me all the crane work involved. He's done well and he's a true friend. BUT....my post is in reference to the "BLACKWATER SHOOTER" (loser) that shot at Trump.
My brother did roofing for years, I would agree. Anyone that can carry those shingles up a ladder is tough. Also did concrete, that’s even harder work.
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[ - ] CHIRO 3 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 21:43:55 ago (+3/-0)
One guy climbs. The other guy knows a lot of knots and needs to borrow your rake.
Then again, you said construction, so nvm.
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Are they above or below drywallers on the strange hierarchy ladder? How about painters?
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[ - ] clymer 6 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 20:55:06 ago (+6/-0)
from the bottom of the barrel to the elite:
1.) painters / mud&tape guys / plasterers
2.) drywallers (board hangers)
3.) form guys / foundations
4.) roofers
5.) framers
6.) finish carpenters / trim / doors / windows, etc.
there are also the ancillary trade guys that mingle with us all on the job site (electricians, plumbers, HVAC - the fat realtor, etc. But just purely for the construction part, my list is accurate. Yeah, roofers are a mix of ex convicts, drug addicts and alcoholics, but not everyone is willing to hang by their tits on a 12 pitch roof that was staged by someone with a hangover, stripping shingles in 110 degree heat
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My house is a 5/12 and I don’t like getting up on it.
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They work hard, did a good job quick.
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BUT....my post is in reference to the "BLACKWATER SHOOTER" (loser) that shot at Trump.
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