Yahweh-Elohim is a conflation of at least two gods. Probably more. I wouldnt characterize him as a trickster god. He doesnt play games.
Some believe he is partly based on a volcano god. Exodus seems to describe a god associated with an erupting volcano. He is a jealous god — he describes himself as a jealous god in multiple places.
Jews are tricksters for the same reason gypsies are tricksters. They are itinerant. They dont build or make anything. They live off scamming the host society. They resist assimilation by demonizing the host population which provides justificaton for exploiting them.
I would categorize a God that exists in a Pantheon, but insists it is the sole God, as a trickster God. We are talking about a God who categorizes bats as birds here.
But from the perspective of comparative mythology, he is not a trickster. There are trickster gods, like loki and hermes and he does not fit that type. Those gods have a playful side. Yahweh is never playful. He is not playing with Job. He is testing his worth, or perhaps he is betting on him in a wager. Theres nothing trickster-ish about it.
The bats/ birds thing or lumping mice and snakes and insects together as creeping things is also not intended as deception. It may seem illogical but in reality the god only knows what the levitical priests know or what the common folk knowlege is. The god is not trying to trick the people that birds or bats are the same. You don’t seriously think theres a god Yahweh that understand the phylogenic classification system of biology but intentionally tried to trick israelites about the nature of birds and bats?
I would categorize a God that exists in a Pantheon, but insists it is the sole God,
You really seem to be blaming Yahweh instead of the people that created him. Yahweh doesn’t know he’s part of a semitic pantheon. He’s fictitious. At some point he was worshipped as the son of El or Elyon and as the husband of Asherah. Then the priests attempted to ban worship of other gods around 700-500BC. The people still all believed there were other gods but that those gods favored other nations and Yahweh favored their nation. That was a common belief among many nations. The priest promoted the idea that the protection of Yahweh was conditional upon the people’s sole worship of him to the exclusion of other gods, as presented in deuteronomy. That was a move that was beneficial to them (i.e. the priests of Yahweh). This monopolistic move evolved into monotheism after several more centuries. But don’t you think its stupid to be angry with the god or attribute traits to him that don’t fit because you are pissed at monotheism?
Im interested in having more debates on the subject of Yahweh’s nature but not if it’s you simply asserting that “God sux donkey balls” after everything I say. You must have a more nuanced understanding than that on the subject, after all this time.
Im interested in how the Yahwehist religion evolved into monotheism and then Judaism and Islam and Christianity. Yahweh is not a good guy in the old testament. He does a lot of shitty things and he seems very unjust to me. But he is a creation of humans to control other humans. Don’t you agree? Or do you really think Yahweh is real and Baal and Chemosh and Dagon?
Because people act on their beliefs regardless of whether it is true or not.
If the Gods are simply Jungian Archetypes, then they don't literally exist. But, Christ-Cucks are still tithing 10% of their income to a God that doesn't exist, regardless of it simply being an abstraction.
Compound that with the fact that the Christian Archtypical God LITERALLY COMMANDS that Christ-Cucks enslave themselves to it, and you get slaves who enslave themselves to a God that doesn't exist.
It's better to worship White Archetypical Gods that don't expect you to be a slave. Our Gods want Whites to become powerful.
God LITERALLY COMMANDS that Christ-Cucks enslave themselves to it, and you get slaves who enslave themselves to a God that doesn't exist.
But jews do that too. So do muslims. Jews absolutely slavishly submit to Yahweh’s will, the religious ones anyway. So how can they be pulling the strings? Who is pulling the strings? Who are christians enslaved to?
The Jewish-God was originally a tribal god. The original Christ-Cucks were all Jewish. There are no Goyim in the Bible who worship the Jewish-God.
It is by accident that the mind-virus mutated, escaped containment, and subverted White Nations.
But, regardless, it doesn't change the fact that anyone who worships the Jewish-God is subserviant to him. This isn't something that happens in Pagan societies. King Menalaius might have pissed off Artimis, but he was never her servant.
What other kind of god was there in 1000 bc? Perhaps there were more sophisticated cults in urban centers like Babylon or Nineveh or Memphis? There was nothing unique about Yahweh and his worship at this point.
The original Christ-Cucks were all Jewish.
Im trying to stay out of the habit of calling ancient Israelites/Hebrews jews. Jews are a modern group that is only partially related to helenized late second temple jews like Jesus and Paul. They are even less related to the original israelites from a millenium earlier. Some earlier group identifying as “sons of Israel” or “Ivrim” conquered a bunch of other tribes in Canaan. This may have occured under David or maybe even earlier. Those other people—goyim or gerim— were assimilated over several centuries. Some were assimilated faster than others. These people were hittites and philistines and amorites and edomites, etc. Most of the kings in the OT have this goyim blood, such as Davids line (his ancestor Ruth is a goy). By the time of Christ more or less every “native” canaanite is a hebrew. Early Judahism was also and “empire religion” that crossed tribal boundaries. The scale of that empire was limited to Canaan and a little beyond which was much smaller than the scale of the Roman empire which was the domain of early Christendom. But this early form of Judaism was expansionist like Christianity was and that tribal relatedness of the Hebrews at the time of Christ is something of an illusion. The “original” 12 tribes were not likely to have been closely related at all. The ethnogenesis of the Hebrew people of the OT is false. It was a fiction created by priests. They were not even patrilineally related. So Hebrew was an ethnicity created by conquest just as English ethnicity and French ethnicity. So the goyim of Canaan do in fact worship the Israelite god. They just became assimilated and forgot their earlier identities. You are making the mistake of assuming that the ethnogenesis of Hebrew described in the OT is accurate. It isn’t. How does a guy living in 500BC (when most of the bible was written) know who was related to whom in 1000 BC? They don’t.
regardless, it doesn't change the fact that anyone who worships the Jewish-God is subserviant to him.
He’s a fictional character. Christians are subservient to something but it isn’t Yahweh. Its an idea of Yahweh controlled by his creators including some late second temple “jews” and the gentile priests and ministers of the last 2 millenia.
This isn't something that happens in Pagan societies.
Horsehit. Many pagans conquer and assimilate other groups and they spread their religions to those people. We KNOW this happens as the indo-european “steppe herder” culture spread across Europe from the pontic caspian steppe. Why did the Hindus worship Dyeus Piter and the Romans worship Diu Piter (Jupiter) and the Germanics worship Tiu? Its the same god. Steppe herders expanded in many directions and assimilated many groups. These admixed groups all formed new tribes. The Germanics for example had two sets of gods: the Aesir and the Vanir. One group was from the IE invaders and one was from the farmer civilzation that predated them. Yamnaya like ancestry and culture “contaminated” all the IE speaking areas of Europe and Asia, it didn’t replace the people in those places.
King Menalaius might have pissed off Artimis, but he was never her servant.
This is not true. Menelauses brother sacrificed his daughter to Artemis. Thats not slavish? Thats just what the Israelites and other ancient canaanites were doing. The greeks had similar theophoric names indicating they were servants of this god or that one. Names like Diogenes, Apollodorus, Herodotus. Other european pagans did the same thing.
In the Trojan war, Poseidon, Hera, Athena are all on the greek side. Aphrodite and Ares and Apollo are on the Trojan side. The human characters fall all over themselves to prove their subserviance and loyalty to one god or another in order to gain favor with them. How is this different than the Hebrews grovelling before Yahweh? The gods demanded worship, honor, sacrifice and so on from their worshippers. Slavery. You are deluded if you think the nature of pagan worship wasnt subservient and slavish. Caesar himself describes how the druids presided over a religion which required human sacrifice. Yawehism/ early judaism represented techtonic shift in religious behavior because of its monotheism. But it wasn’t the first example of a tyrannical religion. That is very naive.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 20:04:51 ago (+0/-0)
He is a Trickster God.
Which is why Jews are tricksters.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 21:29:46 ago (+0/-0)
Some believe he is partly based on a volcano god. Exodus seems to describe a god associated with an erupting volcano. He is a jealous god — he describes himself as a jealous god in multiple places.
Jews are tricksters for the same reason gypsies are tricksters. They are itinerant. They dont build or make anything. They live off scamming the host society. They resist assimilation by demonizing the host population which provides justificaton for exploiting them.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 21:36:03 ago (+0/-0)
We are talking about a God who categorizes bats as birds here.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 07:55:25 ago (+0/-0)
The bats/ birds thing or lumping mice and snakes and insects together as creeping things is also not intended as deception. It may seem illogical but in reality the god only knows what the levitical priests know or what the common folk knowlege is. The god is not trying to trick the people that birds or bats are the same. You don’t seriously think theres a god Yahweh that understand the phylogenic classification system of biology but intentionally tried to trick israelites about the nature of birds and bats?
You really seem to be blaming Yahweh instead of the people that created him. Yahweh doesn’t know he’s part of a semitic pantheon. He’s fictitious. At some point he was worshipped as the son of El or Elyon and as the husband of Asherah. Then the priests attempted to ban worship of other gods around 700-500BC. The people still all believed there were other gods but that those gods favored other nations and Yahweh favored their nation. That was a common belief among many nations. The priest promoted the idea that the protection of Yahweh was conditional upon the people’s sole worship of him to the exclusion of other gods, as presented in deuteronomy. That was a move that was beneficial to them (i.e. the priests of Yahweh). This monopolistic move evolved into monotheism after several more centuries. But don’t you think its stupid to be angry with the god or attribute traits to him that don’t fit because you are pissed at monotheism?
Im interested in having more debates on the subject of Yahweh’s nature but not if it’s you simply asserting that “God sux donkey balls” after everything I say. You must have a more nuanced understanding than that on the subject, after all this time.
Im interested in how the Yahwehist religion evolved into monotheism and then Judaism and Islam and Christianity. Yahweh is not a good guy in the old testament. He does a lot of shitty things and he seems very unjust to me. But he is a creation of humans to control other humans. Don’t you agree? Or do you really think Yahweh is real and Baal and Chemosh and Dagon?
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 08:04:13 ago (+0/-0)
Maybe this Jewish trickster god is just an asshole?
You know...
Like the Jews.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 08:41:53 ago (+0/-0)
Loki and Hermes might be characterized as assholes, but they are a different type of asshole, a playful trickster asshole.
I don’t do jitsi. Sorry.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 09:08:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
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[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
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[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 20:05:35 ago (+0/-1)
You aren't a tribe, you are a bunch of slaves to a Jewish-God.
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 20:09:51 ago (+0/-0)
If you can't grasp that concept, then you are a Low IQ shit-skinned idiot.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 21:39:03 ago (+0/-1)*
Go fuck yourself, Rabbi.
Protip. Every tribe has a word for "other".
The word "Barbarian" is from the Greeks, applied to anyone who doesn't speak Greek.
The Piriha call non-Piriha "Crooked Heads".
Stop defining your reality in terms the Jews invented for you.
You have your own language you can use to define your world in your favor.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 21:18:55 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 4, 2024 21:30:39 ago (+0/-0)
If the Gods are simply Jungian Archetypes, then they don't literally exist.
But, Christ-Cucks are still tithing 10% of their income to a God that doesn't exist, regardless of it simply being an abstraction.
Compound that with the fact that the Christian Archtypical God LITERALLY COMMANDS that Christ-Cucks enslave themselves to it, and you get slaves who enslave themselves to a God that doesn't exist.
It's better to worship White Archetypical Gods that don't expect you to be a slave.
Our Gods want Whites to become powerful.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 08:03:23 ago (+0/-0)
But jews do that too. So do muslims. Jews absolutely slavishly submit to Yahweh’s will, the religious ones anyway. So how can they be pulling the strings? Who is pulling the strings? Who are christians enslaved to?
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 08:14:39 ago (+0/-0)
The original Christ-Cucks were all Jewish.
There are no Goyim in the Bible who worship the Jewish-God.
It is by accident that the mind-virus mutated, escaped containment, and subverted White Nations.
But, regardless, it doesn't change the fact that anyone who worships the Jewish-God is subserviant to him.
This isn't something that happens in Pagan societies.
King Menalaius might have pissed off Artimis, but he was never her servant.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsSep 5, 2024 10:04:55 ago (+0/-0)
What other kind of god was there in 1000 bc? Perhaps there were more sophisticated cults in urban centers like Babylon or Nineveh or Memphis? There was nothing unique about Yahweh and his worship at this point.
Im trying to stay out of the habit of calling ancient Israelites/Hebrews jews. Jews are a modern group that is only partially related to helenized late second temple jews like Jesus and Paul. They are even less related to the original israelites from a millenium earlier. Some earlier group identifying as “sons of Israel” or “Ivrim” conquered a bunch of other tribes in Canaan. This may have occured under David or maybe even earlier. Those other people—goyim or gerim— were assimilated over several centuries. Some were assimilated faster than others. These people were hittites and philistines and amorites and edomites, etc. Most of the kings in the OT have this goyim blood, such as Davids line (his ancestor Ruth is a goy). By the time of Christ more or less every “native” canaanite is a hebrew. Early Judahism was also and “empire religion” that crossed tribal boundaries. The scale of that empire was limited to Canaan and a little beyond which was much smaller than the scale of the Roman empire which was the domain of early Christendom. But this early form of Judaism was expansionist like Christianity was and that tribal relatedness of the Hebrews at the time of Christ is something of an illusion. The “original” 12 tribes were not likely to have been closely related at all. The ethnogenesis of the Hebrew people of the OT is false. It was a fiction created by priests. They were not even patrilineally related. So Hebrew was an ethnicity created by conquest just as English ethnicity and French ethnicity. So the goyim of Canaan do in fact worship the Israelite god. They just became assimilated and forgot their earlier identities. You are making the mistake of assuming that the ethnogenesis of Hebrew described in the OT is accurate. It isn’t. How does a guy living in 500BC (when most of the bible was written) know who was related to whom in 1000 BC? They don’t.
He’s a fictional character. Christians are subservient to something but it isn’t Yahweh. Its an idea of Yahweh controlled by his creators including some late second temple “jews” and the gentile priests and ministers of the last 2 millenia.
Horsehit. Many pagans conquer and assimilate other groups and they spread their religions to those people. We KNOW this happens as the indo-european “steppe herder” culture spread across Europe from the pontic caspian steppe. Why did the Hindus worship Dyeus Piter and the Romans worship Diu Piter (Jupiter) and the Germanics worship Tiu? Its the same god. Steppe herders expanded in many directions and assimilated many groups. These admixed groups all formed new tribes.
The Germanics for example had two sets of gods: the Aesir and the Vanir. One group was from the IE invaders and one was from the farmer civilzation that predated them. Yamnaya like ancestry and culture “contaminated” all the IE speaking areas of Europe and Asia, it didn’t replace the people in those places.
This is not true. Menelauses brother sacrificed his daughter to Artemis. Thats not slavish? Thats just what the Israelites and other ancient canaanites were doing. The greeks had similar theophoric names indicating they were servants of this god or that one. Names like Diogenes, Apollodorus, Herodotus. Other european pagans did the same thing.
In the Trojan war, Poseidon, Hera, Athena are all on the greek side. Aphrodite and Ares and Apollo are on the Trojan side. The human characters fall all over themselves to prove their subserviance and loyalty to one god or another in order to gain favor with them. How is this different than the Hebrews grovelling before Yahweh? The gods demanded worship, honor, sacrifice and so on from their worshippers. Slavery. You are deluded if you think the nature of pagan worship wasnt subservient and slavish. Caesar himself describes how the druids presided over a religion which required human sacrifice. Yawehism/ early judaism represented techtonic shift in religious behavior because of its monotheism. But it wasn’t the first example of a tyrannical religion. That is very naive.