Look, I didn't read the entire shit show that went on in the comments of that other thread. And it's worth saying up front that I disagree with Helena about plenty of stuff; we've had our share of disagreements over the years.
That said, she is absolutely right about the situation.
I'm even willing to grant that he was within his rights to tell her parents to leave. But the key thing for me is that, at no point during any of the days before he murdered his wife and in-laws did he indicate to them directly that they needed to leave. Nor did he call the police. Nor did he even threaten his wife or her parents by telling them he would get the police involved if they refused to leave.
He fucking admits that, prior to the day of the murders, the most he said to them was indirect. He left the front door open while he fought with his wife outside so that he was "sure" Linda (his mother-in-law) could hear the exchange through the door.
He sat by being passive aggressive for most of the week, and then when he finally says something directly to them, and they don't respond the way he wants them to, he immediately goes, grabs a gun, returns and kills all of them.
This is wrong, up and down, every which way. He got mad. He didn't deal with anything intelligently or with any sort of spine prior to the moment he blew up.
This is nigger behavior. 100%.
His dad was living with them, haha. If y'all think this shit is okay, you're retarded. If he wanted them gone, he could have been direct right off the bat. When they refused to go, then he could have threatened them with the fact he'd involve the police if necessary. If that didn't work, then he could call the cops. If that doesn't work, then he could go and stay in a hotel for a couple of nights. If that doesn't work, then he can file for divorce. You don't get to commit fucking murder because shit isn't going your way with your family.
I never said I agreed with it or think its okay. JFC I'm just the messenger sharing a video and got attacked, told I hate women and then called a degenerate. kek I'm in the twilight zone
I don't think you hate women, big dog. And I wasn't really directing my comment toward you. I can't even remember who the hell Helena was arguing with at this point, so I'm just throwing a wide net.
[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 22:28:33 ago (+1/-0)
Heck, I'd simp too but then it would just get redundant. White niggerism is a serious issue though, having a common, basic sense of honor is a thing of the past.
Besides, we're supposed to hate eachother so fuck off toots.
I thought we were allies since we both decided we hated that other white nigger more. Who was that, HeyJames? Anyway Ill let you off the simp hook this time.
Then don’t do what he does. He always does that revenge posting shit. Its not a good look.
You know, it wasn’t your post that was the problem ( although your title was pretty bad). It was the unanimous support and apologetics for that psycho. Its not a one off. Its hundreds of anti-female posts in a month and almost no posts that are critical of the failures of white males (which are plentiful).
You can brush is off as just a joke, but collectively it amounts to a propaganda campaign against white women, which is exactly what jews do. You don’t like it when the butt of the joke is always a white christian man, do you? Jews say, why can’t you take a joke? All the while they are demonizing you with lies.
Anyway I hope you consider my points even though I called you a nigger 74 times.
I didn't do "revenge posting". O pointed out something that needed to be pointed out. and I've told you; I am not anti-female, however, feminism is jewish cancer. Nowhere have I ever been against white women. You called me a nigger 74 times because you run on emotion just like a nigger. You have a poor temperament and no critical thinking. You thought you saw something and went off the deep end. I'm not the only one of this opinion. But its over. We can shake hands and walk away and you can take your fat ass into the kitchen and make me a sammich :)
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about fake Voat's greatest jewish nigger, I wonder what he's up to right now, either he's making brisket or having an emotional meltdown because someone called him out on something.
They couldn't do anything to help him, even if they wanted to. He'd be lucky if they didn't arrest him.
The wife lived in that house and invited her parents. You can't trespass someone who lives in a house, nor someone who is invited by someone who lives there. Can't evict someone after 30 days in most states. No grounds for a protection order. Divorce would give her half of his house and wealth, or more. The law was on the wife's side, as it usually is these days.
There's nothing he could have done that wouldn't have ended with him losing his house, one way or another.
The longer it went on, the worse it would get for him. He knew, she knew, and her parents knew it too.
That's why they were so comfortable laughing in his face while sitting in his chair at his dinner table.
I'd have to know more information about the case before I could justify strapping all of this extra stuff to it, like the fact that the wife and her parents were enacting a devious plan. Hell, maybe the wife got angry that he was allowing his dad to live there, and she felt that was imbalanced. I don't know.
As far as the cops were concerned, it would be mostly for the purposes of documenting that he'd exhausted all of the available avenues. He could also have tried documenting the instances where she and her parents had indicated they were intending to make his living situation unbearable for him. That way, if he had divorced her and things went to court, he'd have a leg to stand on.
I'm not saying that, if it is true that his wife 'turned' on him, that there is a good outcome for him re: the house. But you don't get to kill people for these reasons. It's still cold-blooded murder.
So, rather than losing his house, he lost his house and is also going to spend the rest of his life in prison. If that seemed better to him, and he doesn't believe he is answerable to God someday, then he was perfectly rational to do all of this: I just don't think there was much of anything rational going on in his head (as a matter of fact). I think he was being impulsively violent, which is what niggers do.
It is cold-blooded murder, absolutely. And he'll be in prison for the rest of his life for it. As a murderer must be, and consider himself lucky to be kept alive, in a civilized society. So he didn't "get to" do it, and that's not the point.
My argument is only that this is a choice he made purely as a result of having no better options. He says as much himself in the interrogation video.
For sake of the argument, let's give the wife and her parents the maximum benefit of the doubt, and assume they had no ulterior motives and the wife was merely spiteful about his father being there. An unreasonable assumption, I think, given the facts, but let's roll with it.
Even so, these facts remain: - He (mistakenly, we'll assume) believed they were scheming to take his house from him (he says so in the video) - He had ample reason to believe that (repeated previous unannounced "visits", knowing he didn't want them there, showing up and staying anyway, showing up with an RV, mother sleeping in the house anyway, outright refusal to leave when challenged, telling him they'll stay as long as they like regardless of how he feels about it, not taking daughter and leaving since they're not welcome, ... these are all unreasonable behaviors and indicative of them feeling entitled to the house) - The threat of them taking his house was credible and imminent (the law being the way it is, no amount of documenting his grievances would help, the mother having moved in, cucking out and letting it continue would only make it worse, both legally and otherwise) - A divorce would more than likely leave him destitute and/or homeless (war vet with PTSD, in his 50s, said he was cooking and taking care of his wife, no mention of a job, the house and his savings was likely all the had, and both under threat now)
With the wife and in-laws dead, his house and savings most likely went to his elderly father, whom he was also taking care of by the sound of it. So at least now his father won't be homeless and starve out in the streets. Given what he was looking at, and how he would be seeing it, that's the best outcome he could have hoped for.
What he did wasn't "good", and cannot be left unpunished. But his actions were not irrational.
What's irrational is having a legal system that so heavily favors house squatters and unreasonably entitled women that it would force an otherwise rational man into such an impossible decision.
If we're granting them the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument, this entails that the man's beliefs were mistaken beliefs (if he thought they were scheming to take his house).
I don't think we NEED to give them the benefit. What I'm saying is that the man didn't do his due diligence to discover whether or not their mentality was to 'take his house' indefinitely. I am skeptical that the facts they were there for a week after their daughter's surgery and had been there for unwanted visits in the past necessarily means they plan to stay indefinitely or to ignore his wishes at all future times (say, if the frequency of their visits was actually going to start increasing, as opposed to remaining perhaps one or two weeks out of a whole year).
It seems to me that he could have sat down at that table with his wife and in-laws that night and said: "Okay. Your parents have been here long enough. Can you give me a date at which time I can expect them to leave or not? If you can't, then I will be making a trespass complaint to the police, even if nothing happens. And then I will file for divorce."
The thing is, he almost certainly won't have any recourse to property law here given that he and his wife are co-owners. The point of talking with them to issue the ultimatum would be to incentivize the in-laws to leave. If they refuse, this would definitely certify the fact that they are scheming: a wife who defies her husband to this degree is clearly de facto divorcing him, and guests who would tolerate staying in a place they are clearly unwelcome are no longer guests but forced tenants. This would give you a clear picture of their mentality.
Let's call this situation Worst (W). Any non-W situation is a less severe situation than the one where they want to 'take his house.'
The man needed to check to see if W is the case.
My problem is: he didn't do that. To use a poker metaphor; he didn't actually check to see what cards everyone was holding. Instead, he thought he knew what the others' hands were, and he went and got a gun.
Now, if what you're telling me is that he believed the situation was W, and that he would get fucked from divorce proceedings (to the point of life not being worth living perhaps), then you could be right about him making a rational choice here IF the situation is actually W.
He didn't check to see whether it was W. I don't think that given the testimony from the video he had good evidence the situation was actually W. So, he was not rational to shoot them, at least not at the time he did it.
Had the situation actually been W, then he could have been rational.
Sounds like we agree on most things. Our only disagreement really is this:
I think he both had more than enough to reasonably believe W was the case, and that W was actually the case. While you seem to think the opposite on both counts.
Not sure there's much more to say, since we're both looking at the same thing and coming to opposite conclusions. We'd have to speculate too much to fill in any blanks to bridge the gap here.
He even did almost everything you proposed. The only thing he didn't do was use the words trespass, police or divorce (that we know of). I don't think that needs to be spelled out at the point they'd gotten to. He repeatedly made clear he wanted them gone and outright told them to leave. And he was repeatedly told they wouldn't be leaving, that they'd be staying as long as they like, and his wife even explicitly invoked being a co-owner to justify it, right before he snapped.
To me, and him apparently, that clearly crosses the threshold of de facto divorce and forced tenants.
Add to that the fact her parents lived out of an RV (as in, didn't have a house of their own, see 1:14), brought the RV (ie, their house) to his house, and the mother straight up moved into his house in spite of having the RV (ie, her own bed) right there... and it's extremely obvious what was going on:
Her parents were getting old, tired of RV life, wanted the comfort of a real home, and felt entitled to his house. And his wife was on board with it. She straight up invoked legal leverage to get her way. Probably spurned on by the fact he was letting his elderly father live in his house, which she perceived to be their house, even though she wasn't the one paying the mortgage, nor did she provide children to fill it.
So his options were to live like a bitch in his own house, with the threat of getting divorce fucked hanging over his head, praying for his belligerent wife's mercy, with his elderly father also dependent on it... or take out the trash, and eat the life sentence, knowing that at least his dad will be alright.
I can't fault him for his choice. I can fault his wife and in-laws for forcing it upon him.
I didn't start this. All I did was make a damn post about some dude and I got attacked. You're just mad because I destroyed owen benjewin. and I have a polar bear badge and you're jealous.
Link the fucking comment instead of taking half a sentence our of context like a kike. I stand by what I said.
YOU GUYS BROKE MY FUCKING HEART YESTERDAY.
I have decided, after defending White men for a long time, I don’t have your backs anymore. Message fucking received. It doesn’t matter whether white women support you or not. You hate women and you think we all deserve bullets. Whats the point in being White when you have the standards of a nigger?
HonkyMcNiggerspic will now go on a harassment campaign, calling me a jew or a fed because I hurt his feels and he can’t debate me on the issue. He did the same to @doglegwarrior as you all know because he is a pathetic little shit that acts just like the female tropes he pushes. Very unmasculine.
I posted the vid. I said some men aren't to be fucked with. I never condoned what he did. I never glorified him. I stated a fact and that he was straight forward and honest about all of it owning up to what he did.
"You hate women and think we all deserve bullets"
wow. What utter garbage and a lie. My mom was a woman. My wife is a woman. My daughter is a woman. I never said anywhere that it was good that dude shot his wife and mother-in-law in the head. Not once did I ever even elude to such a thing. You created all this shit in your head.
"HonkyMcNiggerspic will now go on a harassment campaign"
More bullshit. I pointed out the things you said to me which I found bizarre, like your anti-white bullshit. I'm not a "harasser". I called out dogdickwhiffer because he pushes jewry and nigger loving. He ping spammed the shit out of me constantly. You don't even know about all that. So I started responding to him. He ping-spammed me in every thread for a long time. Hundreds. So I destroyed him. You're just mad because you are in a jew grifters cult. owen benjewin is a jew and a Christian-hating scammer. More recently, he's embraced being a proud jew and is even calling us "goyim" openly.
I don't get why you are so mad. I really don't. I didn't do shit to you. I never targeted you. You went into a meltdown and started attacking me and creating things in your head that never happened. I'll just right it off as you maybe being on your period or menopause or whatever. I don't think that you're thinking clearly.
My mom was a woman. My wife is a woman. My daughter is a woman.
Then show them your post and your comments and ask them if they think you were defending that POS.
You are back pedalling.
More bullshit. I pointed out the things you said to me which I found bizarre, like your anti-white bullshit.
I find your anti-white bullshit bizarre but I didn’t make comments on multtple threads that you were not white or a fed, because Im not a manipulative liar. Its a jewy strategy. You have a histronic personality which is very unattractive and I have seen what you have tried to do to dogleg. Very petty. Bitchy. I saw his pings. You were worse.
I don't get why you are so mad. I really don't. I didn't do shit to you.
Show it to your wife. She’ll explain it. Just don’t shoot her in the head because of “principles”
Your unwillingness, or inability, to see things from the man's perspective is what broke your heart.
Incidentally, that's also what got the wife and in-laws killed.
It was his house. This is a man who has been to war. He bled for it. Risked life and limb for it. Watched brothers die for it. Killed people for it. That's what he had to do to earn that house. It was his house. The product of his blood, sweat, and tears. Not hers. Certainly not her parents'. She didn't even give him any children for it. It was his house.
The wife and her parents had a perfectly good path to take here:
They could, and should, have taken their daughter and left. Then she would have had her parents around while she recovered, just like she wanted. And nobody could have blamed her, or them, for that. And the man would have looked like an asshole, who drove his wife away, when she needed him most, just because he couldn't get along with his in-laws. He wouldn't have gotten much sympathy from anyone, not even here. Hell, it wouldn't have even been a story.
That would have been the right thing for them to do. The White thing to do. The innocent thing to do.
But they didn't do that, did they?
Instead, they invaded the man's house. Against his wishes, and in spite of his warnings. They mocked him in his own home. Acted like it was theirs to take as they please. Sat in his chair, at the head of his table, laughed in his face, and dared him to do something about it. A man who had been a professional killer, as they knew perfectly well.
What a profoundly stupid thing to do. And there's nothing innocent about it, either.
They put the man into a position where he, unlike them, no longer had a good path out.
Did he have options that were less bad than triple homicide? Sure. Maybe. Depends on who you ask.
But he didn't have any good options. They didn't leave him any. And the law wouldn't have his back either. No matter what he did, he would lose, in full or in part, all that he worked and sacrificed so much for. So he choose the bad option he was most familiar with. The one he knew he could live with, because he had been living with it for years.
That's why he gets so much sympathy from the men here. Not because we think what he did was good. But because we understand what it's like to have all good options taken from us.
Your unwillingness, or inability, to see things from the man's perspective is what broke your heart.
Of the two of us, which one of us is more likely to be able to perceive the view point of the opposite sex, me or you, given that fact that this forum is a complete sausage fest? You exist in a male echo chamber. Its highly improbable that Im the one unable to perceive the male perspective. Its far more likely that you are unable to recognize nigger behavior because its wrapped up in white skin and has a red neck accent. You lack a strong sense of standards and you immediately formed a bias based on visual cues. You manufactured justifications to hold that bias. Just like niggers. Thats what niggers do:
Sure this guys a violent criminal and a drug dealing scum bag but he looks like me and that cop doesn’t so he’s my guy. He’s in the right.
Thats nigger morality.
Incidentally, that's also what got the wife and in-laws killed.
Also nigger morality. This is what we say when a white person goes into a gorilla enclosure or a black neighborhood. “Oh they got themselves killed” because we have no expectation of rational behavior from blacks and gorillas. This is a non-retarded white man.
You want to be a gorilla? You want me to have gorilla expectations of you? Aspire to Whiteness. Expect Whiteness from your fellow White males. Stop apologizing for this nigger move. We don’t need Whites like this in the gene pool. They destroy Whiteness.
It was his house.
It was her house.
This is a man who has been to war. He bled for it. Risked life and limb for it. Watched brothers die for it. Killed people for it. That's what he had to do to earn that house. It was his house.
Nonsense. The jewish run war machine doesn’t fight for us and I owe its useful idiots no deference. If it was a good army it would have rounded up the mexicans and blacks and jews and escorted them to the border. Maybe this guy made a little coin off being a servant to jews, its stolen money gained doing dishonorable deeds. Better if he were a ditch digger, Id have respect for that. I don’t had soldiers but I dont think what they do is right. Its not an honest or productive living. Its a cause of misery. Its a wealth redistribution scheme. If this is you, Im sorry but you got scammed, whatever you thought you were fighting for.
Doesn’t surprise me at all that this psycho is ex-military becuase the military attracts individuals who are violent and find violence to be a glamorous calling. PTSD is more likely to be a trait caused by genetic pre-disposition which is amplfied by violent experiences rather than something caused by military service. People have it before they go into military service. This guy was probably always a sick puppy.
She didn't even give him any children for it. It was his house.
How do you know? You don’t know if one or both of them had kids. You don’t know if she supported him because he was too crazy to work, which seems like a real possibility. Thats because your anti-female bias wants to elevate this white male to hero or victim status, regardless of the facts.
You all seem very invested in the excuses of this psychopath. Have you never met one? Lots of murderers have stories just like this guys. But when you start kicking the tires the story falls apart. His father lived with them full time and yet she didn’t feel the need to shoot anyone. Thats because this guy had an anti-social personality disorder which pervaded every aspect of the relationships here.
This wasn’t a one off from an average guy that just got stressed out! This guy didn’t like the parents because he doesn’t like anyone. He can’t get along with anyone. He’s controlling and cruel in his interactions. The world is not obligated to give in to your every whim because you have an anti-social personality! Thats why we reject niggers.
This woman was probably accomodating his unreasonable demands all the time. But no one can do it all the time. You guys are very naive to assume this was a reasonable guy who was just pushed too far one time.
People dont deserve to die because they didn’t accomodate a psycho 100% of the time. Your logic is broken.
That's why he gets so much sympathy from the men here. Not because we think what he did was good. But because we understand what it's like to have all good options taken from us.
More delusions. You have a fantasy understanding of the lives of women and the obstacles women face. You are in an echo chamber and you like it because everyone tells you what you want to hear, and its a nice simplistic narrative. One suited for children and child like adults. Life is very hard for the average man and woman.
You think Im here for the simping? I respect truth and integrity which I deem to be White values. That means Whites hold themselves to the highest behavioral standards and dont cast about for excuses when they act like niggers. What Ive seen on this thread is a particular brand of nigger sympathy that we’ve all witness — the “He a gude boi” variety. You lack the self reflection to recognize it in yourself. You lack objectivity. The average male lacks the objectivity that would allow me to support male only suffrage or a return of a male run society. When you have total power you are unreasonable and tyrrranical, just like everybody else.
[ - ] anrach 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 19:23:56 ago (+1/-0)*
Of course it matters. There's no White race without White women. We don't believe White women deserve bullets, but we do see the damage they cause when not subordinate to their White men (which is not to say that White men haven't been led astray/jewed as well).
You're over-reacting in response to the antagonistic shitposting of surly goats. Wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg
The man killing his family was not a reasonable/admirable act. I agree that Whites should be trying to resurrect the value of 'extended family'(although that must include deference to the man of the house and contribution from all). I disagree that his disposition was 'niggerish'... He was clearly more calculating than a nigger and ultimately accepted responsibility for his actions.
Additionally, it is worth considering that we're sorely in need of more 'dangerous' White men... Men capable of violence and willing to fight would-be usurpers. The trade-off for which is that these dangerous men will be less tolerant to being 'pushed' in any context. As unappealing as it may be to your sensibilities, one of the requirements for the long-term survival of an ethnos is for a decent proportion of them to be 'thugs' that will scare off or kill invaders and traitors (keep that in mind before you condemn your less cerebral interlocutors around here).
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[ - ] Gowithit 5 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 12:58:51 ago (+5/-0)
trust no one. Even the ones that come out of you.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 14:29:06 ago (+1/-0)
Have your own back!
I missed that drama post yesterday. Whew.
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[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 14:43:27 ago (+1/-0)
as did I.
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[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 06:57:02 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 3 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 20:30:08 ago (+3/-0)
That said, she is absolutely right about the situation.
I'm even willing to grant that he was within his rights to tell her parents to leave. But the key thing for me is that, at no point during any of the days before he murdered his wife and in-laws did he indicate to them directly that they needed to leave. Nor did he call the police. Nor did he even threaten his wife or her parents by telling them he would get the police involved if they refused to leave.
He fucking admits that, prior to the day of the murders, the most he said to them was indirect. He left the front door open while he fought with his wife outside so that he was "sure" Linda (his mother-in-law) could hear the exchange through the door.
He sat by being passive aggressive for most of the week, and then when he finally says something directly to them, and they don't respond the way he wants them to, he immediately goes, grabs a gun, returns and kills all of them.
This is wrong, up and down, every which way. He got mad. He didn't deal with anything intelligently or with any sort of spine prior to the moment he blew up.
This is nigger behavior. 100%.
His dad was living with them, haha. If y'all think this shit is okay, you're retarded. If he wanted them gone, he could have been direct right off the bat. When they refused to go, then he could have threatened them with the fact he'd involve the police if necessary. If that didn't work, then he could call the cops. If that doesn't work, then he could go and stay in a hotel for a couple of nights. If that doesn't work, then he can file for divorce. You don't get to commit fucking murder because shit isn't going your way with your family.
@PostWallHelena
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[ - ] Rotteuxx 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 22:28:33 ago (+1/-0)
Besides, we're supposed to hate eachother so fuck off toots.
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 13:56:22 ago (+0/-0)
You know, it wasn’t your post that was the problem ( although your title was pretty bad). It was the unanimous support and apologetics for that psycho. Its not a one off. Its hundreds of anti-female posts in a month and almost no posts that are critical of the failures of white males (which are plentiful).
You can brush is off as just a joke, but collectively it amounts to a propaganda campaign against white women, which is exactly what jews do. You don’t like it when the butt of the joke is always a white christian man, do you? Jews say, why can’t you take a joke? All the while they are demonizing you with lies.
Anyway I hope you consider my points even though I called you a nigger 74 times.
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[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 07:39:49 ago (+1/-0)
They couldn't do anything to help him, even if they wanted to. He'd be lucky if they didn't arrest him.
The wife lived in that house and invited her parents. You can't trespass someone who lives in a house, nor someone who is invited by someone who lives there. Can't evict someone after 30 days in most states. No grounds for a protection order. Divorce would give her half of his house and wealth, or more. The law was on the wife's side, as it usually is these days.
There's nothing he could have done that wouldn't have ended with him losing his house, one way or another.
The longer it went on, the worse it would get for him. He knew, she knew, and her parents knew it too.
That's why they were so comfortable laughing in his face while sitting in his chair at his dinner table.
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[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 08:41:48 ago (+0/-0)
As far as the cops were concerned, it would be mostly for the purposes of documenting that he'd exhausted all of the available avenues. He could also have tried documenting the instances where she and her parents had indicated they were intending to make his living situation unbearable for him. That way, if he had divorced her and things went to court, he'd have a leg to stand on.
I'm not saying that, if it is true that his wife 'turned' on him, that there is a good outcome for him re: the house. But you don't get to kill people for these reasons. It's still cold-blooded murder.
So, rather than losing his house, he lost his house and is also going to spend the rest of his life in prison. If that seemed better to him, and he doesn't believe he is answerable to God someday, then he was perfectly rational to do all of this: I just don't think there was much of anything rational going on in his head (as a matter of fact). I think he was being impulsively violent, which is what niggers do.
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 10:34:22 ago (+1/-0)
My argument is only that this is a choice he made purely as a result of having no better options. He says as much himself in the interrogation video.
For sake of the argument, let's give the wife and her parents the maximum benefit of the doubt, and assume they had no ulterior motives and the wife was merely spiteful about his father being there. An unreasonable assumption, I think, given the facts, but let's roll with it.
Even so, these facts remain:
- He (mistakenly, we'll assume) believed they were scheming to take his house from him (he says so in the video)
- He had ample reason to believe that (repeated previous unannounced "visits", knowing he didn't want them there, showing up and staying anyway, showing up with an RV, mother sleeping in the house anyway, outright refusal to leave when challenged, telling him they'll stay as long as they like regardless of how he feels about it, not taking daughter and leaving since they're not welcome, ... these are all unreasonable behaviors and indicative of them feeling entitled to the house)
- The threat of them taking his house was credible and imminent (the law being the way it is, no amount of documenting his grievances would help, the mother having moved in, cucking out and letting it continue would only make it worse, both legally and otherwise)
- A divorce would more than likely leave him destitute and/or homeless (war vet with PTSD, in his 50s, said he was cooking and taking care of his wife, no mention of a job, the house and his savings was likely all the had, and both under threat now)
With the wife and in-laws dead, his house and savings most likely went to his elderly father, whom he was also taking care of by the sound of it. So at least now his father won't be homeless and starve out in the streets. Given what he was looking at, and how he would be seeing it, that's the best outcome he could have hoped for.
What he did wasn't "good", and cannot be left unpunished. But his actions were not irrational.
What's irrational is having a legal system that so heavily favors house squatters and unreasonably entitled women that it would force an otherwise rational man into such an impossible decision.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 10:55:44 ago (+0/-0)*
I don't think we NEED to give them the benefit. What I'm saying is that the man didn't do his due diligence to discover whether or not their mentality was to 'take his house' indefinitely. I am skeptical that the facts they were there for a week after their daughter's surgery and had been there for unwanted visits in the past necessarily means they plan to stay indefinitely or to ignore his wishes at all future times (say, if the frequency of their visits was actually going to start increasing, as opposed to remaining perhaps one or two weeks out of a whole year).
It seems to me that he could have sat down at that table with his wife and in-laws that night and said: "Okay. Your parents have been here long enough. Can you give me a date at which time I can expect them to leave or not? If you can't, then I will be making a trespass complaint to the police, even if nothing happens. And then I will file for divorce."
The thing is, he almost certainly won't have any recourse to property law here given that he and his wife are co-owners. The point of talking with them to issue the ultimatum would be to incentivize the in-laws to leave. If they refuse, this would definitely certify the fact that they are scheming: a wife who defies her husband to this degree is clearly de facto divorcing him, and guests who would tolerate staying in a place they are clearly unwelcome are no longer guests but forced tenants. This would give you a clear picture of their mentality.
Let's call this situation Worst (W). Any non-W situation is a less severe situation than the one where they want to 'take his house.'
The man needed to check to see if W is the case.
My problem is: he didn't do that. To use a poker metaphor; he didn't actually check to see what cards everyone was holding. Instead, he thought he knew what the others' hands were, and he went and got a gun.
Now, if what you're telling me is that he believed the situation was W, and that he would get fucked from divorce proceedings (to the point of life not being worth living perhaps), then you could be right about him making a rational choice here IF the situation is actually W.
He didn't check to see whether it was W. I don't think that given the testimony from the video he had good evidence the situation was actually W. So, he was not rational to shoot them, at least not at the time he did it.
Had the situation actually been W, then he could have been rational.
@PostWallHelena
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 0 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 12:16:21 ago (+1/-1)
I think he both had more than enough to reasonably believe W was the case, and that W was actually the case. While you seem to think the opposite on both counts.
Not sure there's much more to say, since we're both looking at the same thing and coming to opposite conclusions. We'd have to speculate too much to fill in any blanks to bridge the gap here.
He even did almost everything you proposed. The only thing he didn't do was use the words trespass, police or divorce (that we know of). I don't think that needs to be spelled out at the point they'd gotten to. He repeatedly made clear he wanted them gone and outright told them to leave. And he was repeatedly told they wouldn't be leaving, that they'd be staying as long as they like, and his wife even explicitly invoked being a co-owner to justify it, right before he snapped.
To me, and him apparently, that clearly crosses the threshold of de facto divorce and forced tenants.
Add to that the fact her parents lived out of an RV (as in, didn't have a house of their own, see 1:14), brought the RV (ie, their house) to his house, and the mother straight up moved into his house in spite of having the RV (ie, her own bed) right there... and it's extremely obvious what was going on:
Her parents were getting old, tired of RV life, wanted the comfort of a real home, and felt entitled to his house. And his wife was on board with it. She straight up invoked legal leverage to get her way. Probably spurned on by the fact he was letting his elderly father live in his house, which she perceived to be their house, even though she wasn't the one paying the mortgage, nor did she provide children to fill it.
So his options were to live like a bitch in his own house, with the threat of getting divorce fucked hanging over his head, praying for his belligerent wife's mercy, with his elderly father also dependent on it... or take out the trash, and eat the life sentence, knowing that at least his dad will be alright.
I can't fault him for his choice. I can fault his wife and in-laws for forcing it upon him.
[ + ] Deplorablepoetry
[ - ] Deplorablepoetry 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 17:11:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 16:59:33 ago (+1/-1)
it's nonstop.
have it out on your other post or go surf reddit ya fag.
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 18:11:45 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 18:47:46 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Whatthefuck
[ - ] Whatthefuck 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 14:05:59 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 17:29:03 ago (+2/-3)
Link the fucking comment instead of taking half a sentence our of context like a kike. I stand by what I said.
YOU GUYS BROKE MY FUCKING HEART YESTERDAY.
I have decided, after defending White men for a long time, I don’t have your backs anymore. Message fucking received. It doesn’t matter whether white women support you or not. You hate women and you think we all deserve bullets. Whats the point in being White when you have the standards of a nigger?
HonkyMcNiggerspic will now go on a harassment campaign, calling me a jew or a fed because I hurt his feels and he can’t debate me on the issue. He did the same to @doglegwarrior as you all know because he is a pathetic little shit that acts just like the female tropes he pushes. Very unmasculine.
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic [op] 3 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 18:10:34 ago (+3/-0)
"You hate women and think we all deserve bullets"
wow. What utter garbage and a lie. My mom was a woman. My wife is a woman. My daughter is a woman. I never said anywhere that it was good that dude shot his wife and mother-in-law in the head. Not once did I ever even elude to such a thing. You created all this shit in your head.
"HonkyMcNiggerspic will now go on a harassment campaign"
More bullshit. I pointed out the things you said to me which I found bizarre, like your anti-white bullshit. I'm not a "harasser". I called out dogdickwhiffer because he pushes jewry and nigger loving. He ping spammed the shit out of me constantly. You don't even know about all that. So I started responding to him. He ping-spammed me in every thread for a long time. Hundreds. So I destroyed him. You're just mad because you are in a jew grifters cult. owen benjewin is a jew and a Christian-hating scammer. More recently, he's embraced being a proud jew and is even calling us "goyim" openly.
I don't get why you are so mad. I really don't. I didn't do shit to you. I never targeted you. You went into a meltdown and started attacking me and creating things in your head that never happened. I'll just right it off as you maybe being on your period or menopause or whatever. I don't think that you're thinking clearly.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena -3 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 18:28:04 ago (+1/-4)
Then show them your post and your comments and ask them if they think you were defending that POS.
You are back pedalling.
I find your anti-white bullshit bizarre but I didn’t make comments on multtple threads that you were not white or a fed, because Im not a manipulative liar. Its a jewy strategy. You have a histronic personality which is very unattractive and I have seen what you have tried to do to dogleg. Very petty. Bitchy. I saw his pings. You were worse.
Show it to your wife. She’ll explain it. Just don’t shoot her in the head because of “principles”
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 2 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 21:22:42 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic [op] 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 21:18:38 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 2 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 07:20:29 ago (+2/-0)
Incidentally, that's also what got the wife and in-laws killed.
It was his house. This is a man who has been to war. He bled for it. Risked life and limb for it. Watched brothers die for it. Killed people for it. That's what he had to do to earn that house. It was his house. The product of his blood, sweat, and tears. Not hers. Certainly not her parents'. She didn't even give him any children for it. It was his house.
The wife and her parents had a perfectly good path to take here:
They could, and should, have taken their daughter and left. Then she would have had her parents around while she recovered, just like she wanted. And nobody could have blamed her, or them, for that. And the man would have looked like an asshole, who drove his wife away, when she needed him most, just because he couldn't get along with his in-laws. He wouldn't have gotten much sympathy from anyone, not even here. Hell, it wouldn't have even been a story.
That would have been the right thing for them to do. The White thing to do. The innocent thing to do.
But they didn't do that, did they?
Instead, they invaded the man's house. Against his wishes, and in spite of his warnings. They mocked him in his own home. Acted like it was theirs to take as they please. Sat in his chair, at the head of his table, laughed in his face, and dared him to do something about it. A man who had been a professional killer, as they knew perfectly well.
What a profoundly stupid thing to do. And there's nothing innocent about it, either.
They put the man into a position where he, unlike them, no longer had a good path out.
Did he have options that were less bad than triple homicide? Sure. Maybe. Depends on who you ask.
But he didn't have any good options. They didn't leave him any. And the law wouldn't have his back either. No matter what he did, he would lose, in full or in part, all that he worked and sacrificed so much for. So he choose the bad option he was most familiar with. The one he knew he could live with, because he had been living with it for years.
That's why he gets so much sympathy from the men here. Not because we think what he did was good. But because we understand what it's like to have all good options taken from us.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 31, 2024 13:38:50 ago (+0/-0)
Of the two of us, which one of us is more likely to be able to perceive the view point of the opposite sex, me or you, given that fact that this forum is a complete sausage fest? You exist in a male echo chamber. Its highly improbable that Im the one unable to perceive the male perspective. Its far more likely that you are unable to recognize nigger behavior because its wrapped up in white skin and has a red neck accent. You lack a strong sense of standards and you immediately formed a bias based on visual cues. You manufactured justifications to hold that bias. Just like niggers. Thats what niggers do:
Thats nigger morality.
Also nigger morality. This is what we say when a white person goes into a gorilla enclosure or a black neighborhood. “Oh they got themselves killed” because we have no expectation of rational behavior from blacks and gorillas. This is a non-retarded white man.
You want to be a gorilla? You want me to have gorilla expectations of you? Aspire to Whiteness. Expect Whiteness from your fellow White males. Stop apologizing for this nigger move. We don’t need Whites like this in the gene pool. They destroy Whiteness.
It was her house.
Nonsense. The jewish run war machine doesn’t fight for us and I owe its useful idiots no deference. If it was a good army it would have rounded up the mexicans and blacks and jews and escorted them to the border. Maybe this guy made a little coin off being a servant to jews, its stolen money gained doing dishonorable deeds. Better if he were a ditch digger, Id have respect for that. I don’t had soldiers but I dont think what they do is right. Its not an honest or productive living. Its a cause of misery. Its a wealth redistribution scheme. If this is you, Im sorry but you got scammed, whatever you thought you were fighting for.
Doesn’t surprise me at all that this psycho is ex-military becuase the military attracts individuals who are violent and find violence to be a glamorous calling. PTSD is more likely to be a trait caused by genetic pre-disposition which is amplfied by violent experiences rather than something caused by military service. People have it before they go into military service. This guy was probably always a sick puppy.
How do you know? You don’t know if one or both of them had kids. You don’t know if she supported him because he was too crazy to work, which seems like a real possibility. Thats because your anti-female bias wants to elevate this white male to hero or victim status, regardless of the facts.
You all seem very invested in the excuses of this psychopath. Have you never met one? Lots of murderers have stories just like this guys. But when you start kicking the tires the story falls apart. His father lived with them full time and yet she didn’t feel the need to shoot anyone. Thats because this guy had an anti-social personality disorder which pervaded every aspect of the relationships here.
This wasn’t a one off from an average guy that just got stressed out! This guy didn’t like the parents because he doesn’t like anyone. He can’t get along with anyone. He’s controlling and cruel in his interactions. The world is not obligated to give in to your every whim because you have an anti-social personality! Thats why we reject niggers.
This woman was probably accomodating his unreasonable demands all the time. But no one can do it all the time. You guys are very naive to assume this was a reasonable guy who was just pushed too far one time.
People dont deserve to die because they didn’t accomodate a psycho 100% of the time. Your logic is broken.
More delusions. You have a fantasy understanding of the lives of women and the obstacles women face. You are in an echo chamber and you like it because everyone tells you what you want to hear, and its a nice simplistic narrative. One suited for children and child like adults. Life is very hard for the average man and woman.
You think Im here for the simping? I respect truth and integrity which I deem to be White values. That means Whites hold themselves to the highest behavioral standards and dont cast about for excuses when they act like niggers. What Ive seen on this thread is a particular brand of nigger sympathy that we’ve all witness — the “He a gude boi” variety. You lack the self reflection to recognize it in yourself. You lack objectivity. The average male lacks the objectivity that would allow me to support male only suffrage or a return of a male run society. When you have total power you are unreasonable and tyrrranical, just like everybody else.
[ + ] anrach
[ - ] anrach 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 19:23:56 ago (+1/-0)*
We don't believe White women deserve bullets, but we do see the damage they cause when not subordinate to their White men (which is not to say that White men haven't been led astray/jewed as well).
You're over-reacting in response to the antagonistic shitposting of surly goats. Wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg
The man killing his family was not a reasonable/admirable act. I agree that Whites should be trying to resurrect the value of 'extended family'(although that must include deference to the man of the house and contribution from all). I disagree that his disposition was 'niggerish'... He was clearly more calculating than a nigger and ultimately accepted responsibility for his actions.
Additionally, it is worth considering that we're sorely in need of more 'dangerous' White men... Men capable of violence and willing to fight would-be usurpers. The trade-off for which is that these dangerous men will be less tolerant to being 'pushed' in any context. As unappealing as it may be to your sensibilities, one of the requirements for the long-term survival of an ethnos is for a decent proportion of them to be 'thugs' that will scare off or kill invaders and traitors (keep that in mind before you condemn your less cerebral interlocutors around here).
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 21:20:10 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] JohnnyKarateChop
[ - ] JohnnyKarateChop 3 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 21:45:15 ago (+4/-1)
Jesus, what a fag.
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 17:43:33 ago (+1/-1)