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[ - ] shitface9000 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 17:59:28 ago (+0/-0)

something, something, paganism

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 2 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:40:28 ago (+2/-0)

Because the papacy teaches the opposite of the Bible.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 15:01:08 ago (+0/-0)

Do protestants perform animal sacrifice? Do they keep multiple wives? Do they acknowlege their status as servants to Israelites? Do they keep slaves? No? Then they teach the opposite of the Bible. Protestantism is not 100% consistent with what the Bible teaches. Neither is Catholicism.

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:40:30 ago (+0/-0)

Show where the Bible says that Mary was sinless her whole life and had no other children.

I’ll wait.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:17:34 ago (+0/-0)

Absolutely Wrong!

Protestants have an interpretation problem. They like to take the Bible (The King James version, at that...), which originated with Catholics, and contort it to their misguided views and broken interpretations of the Faith! To not Venerate the Holy Mother of God, is a monumental error! Holy Mother Mary was NOT a trivial character in the time of Christ! She was, and is, a very key participant in our Salvation! The Holy Mother is the door that Christ came through to remediate the Sin Man committed in the Garden! Protestants Fail to show the appropriate level of respect for the Holy Mother. There's nothing sacred about a Protestant gathering! Go to a Traditional Latin Mass, THEN you know that you have been to Church!

[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:19:26 ago (+1/-0)

Mary is great. It is like talking to your friends totally approachable mom that won't get you in trouble and will only give you good advice.

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:41:37 ago (+1/-0)

Yawn. Meanwhile in reality, Mary was not sinless and did not remain a virgin her whole life.

Say, by the way, does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father and the Son, or just the Father?

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:50:40 ago (+0/-0)

The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Your point on Mother Mary, is NOT only severely incorrect, but is sheer unadulterated Blasphemy & Sacrilege!

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 2 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 17:08:28 ago (+2/-0)

severely incorrect

blasphemy

sacrilege

I guess Jesus Christ and His disciples are burning in hell for all eternity, then. You know, given that they said exactly what I said. Mary, too, since she prays to her Savior (which she wouldn’t need if she was sinless).

Fuck off, you God-damned papist. Your jewish woman worship heresy has no place in Christianity. Now run along and go worship your sinful, human woman who was not assumed into heaven. Go beg her to “intercede on your behalf” (like a child tattling to another child’s mother for her son “picking on me” when he dared to ask you to save your soul from damnation… because that hurts your feelings and stops you from doing what you want to do, right?) while you claim it’s not worship of her specifically.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 17:46:30 ago (+0/-0)

Let's be clear here! I DIDN'T say that I was without Sin, I said that the Holy Mother is without Sin! Jesus, our Savoir, could NOT come into this world through a Woman that was steeped in sin! IF Jesus was born of a woman of sin, He would have inherited the original sin of His Mother! To Solve this problem, The Holy Mother was born without the stain of sin, and, she Did Not Conceive of man, but of the Holy Ghost! This is how Jesus could always be in union with the Father! It is a Fact, that The Holy Mother was born without sin, and remained sinless in this World, and this is because of the Grace afforded to her from God!You are in error! Think it through!

[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 02:55:26 ago (+1/-0)

How did she escape the original sin of her Father? Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:35) He was not born of the line of Adam. His Father was the Holy Spirit. We believe original sin is passed through the father. Sin didn't enter the world through Eve, even though she sinned first. Sin entered the world through Adam. (Romans 5:12) Where does the Bible say Mary was sinless at the time of Jesus' birth, or that she remained sinless throughout her life? Is she the only person in history that did not need Jesus' sacrifice and Grace? I believe that's probably Catholic Doctrine and not Biblical.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 10:05:51 ago (+0/-0)

Many think that the words "Immaculate Conception" are used to describe the Conception of Jesus in Mother Marys' womb. However, this is incorrect! The words Immaculate Conception actually speaks of the Conception of Holy Mother Mary in Annes' womb. God, in his infinite power removed the stain of sin from Holy Mother Mary, so that Mother Mary would be sinless, and a clean vessel from which Jesus would be delivered from into this World.

We know that Holy Mother Mary was sinless at the time of Jesus' birth, and that she remained sinless throughout her life, because the Angel Gabriel, told us that the Holy Mother is "Full of Grace". Sin and Grace can not co-exist. The Fact that the Holy Mother is FULL of Grace means, that there is not room for sin within the Holy Mother.

Remember also, The Holy Mother was assumed into Heaven Body & Soul! The Holy Mother never faced the Judgement of God. Why, Because the Holy Mother was not stained with sin.

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 12:44:07 ago (+0/-0)

So she has a different path to salvation than Jesus?

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 12:48:51 ago (+0/-0)

I did a bible search and I couldn't find any mention of Anne or Mary's mother in the bible. Can you point me to the passage? I've never heard of this that you are telling me. I'd like to read more about it.

[ - ] Sector2 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 18:35:13 ago (+0/-0)

I said that the Holy Mother is without Sin!

One example of why Catholicism is a satanic sect.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 18:52:35 ago (+0/-0)

Quite the opposite! We acknowledge a Truth that you deny! Man committed a Sin in the Garden. God gave us a path to Salvation, in-spite of the Sin! In order to do this, Jesus took on a Punishment for us. In order to have Jesus, he needed to be born of woman, Jesus could NOT be born of an average woman because all souls, men & women are stained with Original Sin, due to Adam & Eve in the Garden. God had to create an exception to the rule, and HE withheld Original sin from the Holy Mother, so that Jesus could be born on Earth.

Jesus' entire life was a lesson to Humanity! Jesus paid the price for us, so that the gates of Heaven could once again be thrown open to Mankind.

Satanism is in the denial of the Perpetual Virginity of the Holy Mother!

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 18:46:19 ago (+0/-0)

I DIDN'T say that I was without Sin

Thanks for asserting something no one questioned.

I said that the Holy Mother is without Sin!

You were wrong. The Bible itself says so.

Jesus, our Savoir, could NOT come into this world through a Woman that was steeped in sin

He did, though. The Bible says so.

IF Jesus was born of a woman of sin, He would have inherited the original sin of His Mother!

Oh, so you’re saying God is not all-powerful?

To Solve this problem, The Holy Mother was born without the stain of sin

Except… no. The Bible says otherwise. And how can she be sinless if her mother was in sin? So you’re claiming there was an entire line of people down from… well, not even Adam and Eve, because they sinned! So there’s an entire OTHER line of people from whom Jesus descended? An entire race that never sinned? For millennia? And who have no connection whatsoever to Adam and Eve?

SOUNDS LIKE YOU’RE A FUCKING HERETIC TO ME.

and, she Did Not Conceive of man

Thanks for asserting something no one questioned.

This is how Jesus could always be in union with the Father!

Why is it magically okay that a woman is born of sin but a man cannot be? Why do you think your jewish hokum is going to be believed here?

It is a Fact, that The Holy Mother was born without sin

The Bible says otherwise. You’re damned for all eternity.

and remained sinless in this World

Jesus said otherwise. You deny Christ.

You are in error! Think it through!

You have never read the Bible.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 19:11:15 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 19:48:50 ago (+0/-0)

listen and learn

I already read the Bible. Nothing that anyone else says will ever sway me. Repent or roast in hell, heretic.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 19:59:00 ago (+0/-0)

Then this is where the discussion ends.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 2 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 13:59:12 ago (+2/-0)

Both Catholics and Protestants don’t mention the evil jew enough. Luther did, but those dang Lutherans rebuked their own founders writings on the topic!

[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:04:22 ago (+1/-0)

That depends on the Protestant Church. Many are fully co-opted (and I question whether they are really a Church at all), but there are Christian Churches that recognize that the Kingdom has been taken from the jews and given to the Christians. (Matthew 21:43)

That said, I agree with you. it should be pointed out that all evil in the world exudes from the jews. They are of their father. (John 8:44-45)

[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:17:38 ago (+1/-0)

God was very wrathful in the old testament and while the new testament offers guidance on how to live and be at one with God, there is still something to be understood from reading the history of the faith. The overall church may be neutral to the Jewish community, they certainly do commit an egregious amount of sins. I have read about literal saints that come out with criticism for the poor condition of their souls. Jesus was ultimately crucified for flipping the tables in the synagogue. They just said he was working on the Sabbath because that was the only thing they could prosecute him on. Literally Jesus rebuked them.

[ - ] SumerBreeze 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 04:30:47 ago (+0/-0)

The jews ultimately condemned Jesus for the “I Am” statements, but the jews were belittled by Jesus for many reasons.

[ - ] Reawakened 3 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 13:30:08 ago (+3/-0)*

We don't object to the Virgin Mary, we just don't hold her in the same esteem as Catholics. We don't pray to her and don't believe praying to her gains you anything. We don't ask for her intercession. We have respect for her. She's not part of the Holy Trinity.

Our focus isn't on satisfying the edicts of the church. We believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and all Salvation is through faith in the Grace of Jesus Christ and his virgin birth, perfect life, death and resurrection. We don't need priests to forgive us. Once we're saved, we're saved. Works are a reflection of faith, not a continuing task to stay saved. We believe that our works can't add to perfect sacrifice and grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Edit: I think the guy in the video is trying to sell Catholicism as a standard. His entire conversation is from a strongly biased Catholic perspective. His base assumption is that Protestants don't have a valid theology because we differ on some topics and that we're nervous or afraid because of the differences. I don't think most devout Christians are nervous or afraid. To us, Catholics look a bit like lemmings, letting the hierarchy of the Church do their thinking for them. Looks more like a cult than a serious exploration of God's Word. I don't say that to be offensive.

[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:23:02 ago (+1/-0)

Lemmings are not practicing the faith. It isn't enough to show up. You have to work. I think you need to be absolved of your sins, that is a big one. And then repent and be better. It isn't enough to feel guilty and do it again.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:19:00 ago (+0/-0)

"We don't object to the Virgin Mary, we just don't hold her in the same esteem as Catholics..."

I get this, and I think it is a major error on the part of Protestants. You are correct that the Holy Mother is NOT part of the Trinity. However, what you, and most Protestants miss is that, because of The Holy Mother's Devotion and Oobedience to Jesus, and by extension, The Holy Ghost, and God, The Holy Mother works to bring souls to Heaven. In the same way that Jesus changed the water into wine at the wedding in Cana, upon The Holy Mothers request, The Holy Mother can bring requests from the Faithful to Jesus and God. (The significance of the wine running out at the wedding, was that it would have brought shame upon the Wedding couple. Holy Mother had compassion on the couple, and this is why Jesus performed the Miracle at the behest of the Holy Mother,)



"...We have respect for her. She's not part of the Holy Trinity."

As mentioned above, We agree that the Holy Mother does not have a proper place in the Trinity. However, we can not ignore the Holy Mothers part in the redemption and restoration of mankind, WHY would the Holy Mother NOT have a role in leading souls to Christ, and ultimately Heaven?

Taylor Marshall is actually a convert to Catholicism, He was a former Episcopal Church priest. Similar situation with Scott Hahn, he was a well respected Protestant, who converted.

[ - ] Reawakened 5 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:47:36 ago (+5/-0)

The Holy Mother works to bring souls to Heaven.
This we don't believe. We do not believe she plays any part in salvation. We respect her as the Mother of Christ, but she was not sinless and she is not entitled to worship. She was a woman called to a duty. For that, she's respected but not worshiped.

Marshall is right about one thing (probably more, but I only want to talk about this one thing here) We are jealous of anything that we think would dilute the Glory or Sacrifice of Jesus. We believe Jesus is All. We believe the Bible is a "HIM Book."

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 09:54:29 ago (+0/-0)

The Holy Mother works to bring souls to Heaven

No, she does no such thing. Only Christ brings souls to heaven, you pathetic fucking heretic.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 10:16:57 ago (+0/-0)

Not true! The Holy Mother works tirelessly for Souls, interceding, to lead souls away from sin and toward Heaven. There is evidence where The Holy Mother appears here on Earth, and has given messages directing souls toward Heaven.

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 14:59:07 ago (+0/-0)

interceding

Aaaand there it is again. No, she doesn’t. No, whining to someone else’s mommy because her son wants you to do something that hurts your sinful feelings is not the doctrine of Christianity.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 18:41:53 ago (+0/-0)*

There are a lot of reasons that people implore the help of the Holy Mother. You chose the weakest example out of the bunch! We can agree on this, Jesus Christ is our Lord & Savior. I'll leave it there...

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 19:16:47 ago (+0/-0)

literal salvation of immortal soul

weakest

Take your human woman worship and fuck off, heretic.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 19:30:44 ago (+0/-0)

Nothing about your "church" is real! It's all man-made! The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ! It IS the Church that the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against! In the end Catholicism will be standing, all else will have perished! I think you KNOW that I'm right, but you persist in being childish! You don't even have Priests! You have idiots that say whatever the fuck the want at the podium, none of it in keeping with what Christ left us. When you get tired of playing dress-up, come on over to the Church that Christ Instituted! With REAL Priests, and REAL Communion!

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 20:47:37 ago (+0/-0)

Nothing about your "church" is real!

What’s my church, heretic?

The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ!

Nope. The Church was instituted by Christ. The Papacy is a human invention.

It IS the Church that the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against!

Then why have the gates of hell prevailed against it?

In the end Catholicism will be standing, all else will have perished!

Oh good, humanity is doomed to damnation for all eternity, then.

I think you KNOW that I'm right

I already posted direct links to the Bible proving you wrong.

You don't even have Priests!

Yeah, we were instructed by the Bible to call no man “father,” so we don’t. Because only Christ can forgive sin.

You have idiots that say whatever the fuck the want at the podium

Who does? I don’t have anything. You know nothing about me.

in keeping with what Christ left us

Because He definitely said to end Christendom forever and go extinct, right? Like your leaders have? Of course.

When you get tired of playing dress-up

Said the human woman worshipper, about his “church” with a man in a dress at its head.

the Church that Christ Instituted

Yep, Christianity. Not catholicism.

With REAL Priests

You mean the ones who are forbidden from marrying (the Bible says to do the opposite of this) and who you’re ordered to call father (the Bible says to do the opposite of this)?

and REAL Communion

Fun fact: transubstantiation does not exist and the Bible doesn’t say it exists, either.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:33:19 ago (+0/-0)

Catholics don’t believe Mary is part of the Trinity. Many Catholics believe in the literal interpretation of the bible and many Protestants don’t .

[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:38:44 ago (+1/-0)

I didn't mean to imply that Catholics think Mary is part of the trinity. What I was trying to say is that Protestants (at least my flavor) Worship the trinity and since she's not part of it, she need not be worshiped. Most Evangelicals do believe that the bible is the literal word of God. When you get to Anglicans, Methodists, Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans... I don't know what they believe.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:57:19 ago (+0/-0)

Perhaps it depends on your definition of worship, but I would not say that Catholics worship Mary. They pray to her but do not worship her as a god or godess. They pray to many saints to intercede on their behalf.

When you get to Anglicans, Methodists, Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans... I don't know what they believe.

Ok but alot of protestants would fall within those groups.

[ - ] Reawakened 2 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 15:05:41 ago (+2/-0)

"Protestant" is not a monolithic term. It simply means "Not Catholic", so the idea of discussing Protestants as if they are a thing, is a bit silly. In my Church we pray to God the Father. We can pray to Jesus. In less frequent instances, we may pray for intercession from the Holy Ghost to provide help. Mostly we pray to God the Father. We don't pray to anyone else. No one else is God. We only pray to God. That said, my relationship is between God and I through the Lord Jesus. You're relationship with God and how you practice it is not any of my business. I may disagree, but that's between you and God.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 15:18:50 ago (+0/-0)

"Protestant" is not a monolithic term.
Agree

It simply means "Not Catholic",
Dont agree. But good enough.

In my Church we pray to God the Father.

Huh. That surprises me a little. God the Father takes a back seat in Catholicism, in my experience. I was raised Catholic but we weren’t that devout. I do not have a god as I am an atheist now. But I have an interest in this stuff. I have seen Dr. Taylor Marshall before. He is what I would call a “based” Catholic or trad Catholic, though not a race pilled one that I know of. He’s been a big critic of the current Pope. He used to be an Episcopal priest. I dont know if you consider that protestant. Haha.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 16:46:48 ago (+0/-0)

God doesn't take a back seat in Catholicism, so much as we communicate to God through Jesus. Pretty much in line with "No man comes to the Father, but through the Son..."

[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 8 monthsAug 30, 2024 01:01:17 ago (+0/-0)

We pray the "Our Father" and we direct most of our prayers to the Father, but pray in Jesus' name, so we're not so different there. Catholics and Protestants have more in common than differences. I think the biggest differences are the role of the clergy and the role of the church in our lives, and the importance of works. But, that's just my perception.

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 1 point 8 monthsAug 29, 2024 14:40:49 ago (+2/-1)

Exact opposite of reality, but whatever you want to believe I guess.