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Fighting and/or Winning a Civil War against the u.s. government would cost americans as much or more than vietnam.

submitted by prototype to whatever 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 12:42:24 ago (+2/-1)     (whatever)

Assuming a 1% participation rate, and a cost to equip, train, feed, and pay low-grade conscripts, on the order of $20k a year for a 4 year conflict, you're looking at north of a quarter trillion dollars.

So before one more person writes "why isn't anyone doing anything?!" and makes some heart-wrenching post about some white kid murdered by a nigger, or some jewish banker exploiting and robbing a few million americans in another scam, or some commie autocrat in washington talking about property confiscation to pay u.s. debts, I'd like to ask:

Do you have that kind of money laying around?

No? Then you're fucking dreaming. Sit down.

The only way this shit stops, is the u.s. government collapses. Spreading information about the failure of the dollar, pushing that narrative, is how it collapses--enhancing public polarization, and all the social instability that causes, undermining u.s. economic stability, u.s. international public relations, all of that, is the only say you have in this shit.

And it is the only viable way.

Welcome to Acceleration.


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[ - ] Reawakened 3 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:32:01 ago (+3/-0)

Maybe, but the difference would be that American's would actually be trying to win.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:09:24 ago (+0/-0)

Maybe, but the difference would be that American's would actually be trying to win.

It's getting americans to believe they can win, enough to try, against 24/7 multibillion dollar federal propaganda, that is the fly in the ointment.

[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:02:05 ago (+1/-0)

The saying "nothing succeeds like success" comes to mind.

It may take a few demonstrations that the machine is neither invulnerable nor infallible to spur those inclined toward action.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:37:01 ago (+0/-0)

It may take a few demonstrations that the machine is neither invulnerable nor infallible to spur those inclined toward action.

Thats what the estimated twenty thousand part-time paid-by-the-tipoff FBI informants are for, the real life stasi, along with the 60k+ dudes in the pentagon "signature reduction program" (and probably another 50k total people scattered throughout the other dozen and a half intelligence agencies under the federal umbrella of the regime).
They exist because anything that gets off the ground longer than five minutes flips the man power equation irreversibly against them. Hence why you can't walk into a bar with two guys and a one-eyed dog talking about revolt, without at least two of them being regime informants.

It's a chicken-and-egg problem.

[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 17:28:31 ago (+1/-0)

I had no idea it was that bad.

Doesn't change the view from here and I'm curious to see how this plays out.

Gulag Archipelago comes to mind. I wonder, however, if the outcome of their inaction at the hands of the destructive organs of the state may somehow be turned to our advantage.

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 18:40:21 ago (+0/-0)

He talks like he knows what he’s discussing but you’re having a conversation with his imagination. This moron knows nothing and is talking entirely out of his ass. Source? He made it up. Fantasy.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:13:24 ago (+0/-0)

This moron knows nothing and is talking entirely out of his ass. Source? He made it up. Fantasy.

Spaceman is big mad. Try not to be so butthurt fella, lol.

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 16:29:57 ago (+0/-0)

Take a break from posting idiotic drivel.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:13:00 ago (+0/-0)

Gulag Archipelago comes to mind. I wonder, however, if the outcome of their inaction at the hands of the destructive organs of the state may somehow be turned to our advantage.

See the J6, which have been turned into martyrs.

[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:32:48 ago (+0/-0)

See the J6, which have been turned into martyrs.

Not what I meant.

Arrests haven't begun in earnest yet. That is where I envision "how we burned in the camps" coming into play.

[ - ] ProudRebel 2 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:30:11 ago (+2/-0)

I suspect a large part of our military would join the revolution. What do you guys think?

[ - ] prototype [op] -1 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:28:41 ago (+0/-1)

I'd put the radicalization rate (or potential) of the u.s. military at somewhere between 5-10% at the limit, but it'd still require an initiating campaign, both in propaganda and live events, to push them to that point. See the lack of pushback over the ideological purity test that was the covid 19 injections.

[ - ] DitchPig 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:04:38 ago (+1/-0)

Worth it.

[ - ] Sleazy 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 15:30:41 ago (+1/-0)

You do know that the fiat currency that they supply us with is backed by nothing but the full faith and trust in the federal government.

Who the fuck cares how many worthless fiat currency dollars are wasted?

Ten trillion of them is not worth a single gram of copper

[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:26:50 ago (+1/-0)

Ten trillion of them is not worth a single gram of copper

Or brass, or lead.

But where is anyone going to get that brass or lead? Enough to fight a war where the government spends a quarter trillion equivalent of brass and lead?

[ - ] Sleazy 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:56:07 ago (+0/-0)

the armory

[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:36:12 ago (+1/-0)

I bet the VC didn’t spend a quarter trillion.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:58:07 ago (+0/-0)

The VC had foreign backing from multiple nations.

Also, the quarter trillion is what you can expect the u.s. to spend fighting americans.

For example, I estimate it would take one veteran and 10-15 irregulars trained by them, to have a 50% shot of taking down a u.s. tank. The other half of that scenario is they're all captured and/or killed.

If you assumed national guard out on every street in a every american city with a population greater than 100k people, and each of the units out, assuming only one was deployed, had at least a tank (with a compliment of soldiers), you'd need 3400-5k guerillas.

Anything less than a multi-region all-in-the-same-time-window campaign means federal and state forces just bum rush you, redirecting boots on the ground as needed in a sort of mop up operation, concentrating their forces in tit-for-tat gridsearch attacks that cut you up and destroy you piece-meal.

If the radicalization rate (sufficient for 'extremism', where 'extremist' is defined as someone ready and willing to go to war) is a conservative 0.5% of the population, and you expect to recruit 10% of them successfully before your network and cells begin to be ferreted out and experience counter-intelligence pushes, then for any given operation zone, you'd have a pool of at most 500 fighters per city of 100k or greater.

And achieving those numbers would require news and propaganda fronts, including some which are "legit" news/propaganda fronts doing things "by the books" to even reach that number.

Conservatively, an organized push for a war like that, given the scrappy and underfunded logistics of any sort of civil or guerilla war movement, you might get 10% of that number. 50 fighters per city.

Realistically you'd at best match federal and state forces in hit-in-run type engagements, and quickly lose to attrition. The federal officials would lose half or more to attrition once heads start popping on officials and soldiers out taking a smoke or a piss, but that still puts you at a 1. equipment, 2. training, 3. funding, 4. logistics, 5. intelligence disadvantage and you'd lose because of it.

[ - ] ZyklonDryCleaners 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 19:56:09 ago (+0/-0)

You have to create a currency so they can trade with each other.

edited to add - ask yourself how do you create a new currency and get the Whites to adopt it

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 18:38:31 ago (+0/-0)

We already bought our own weapons, ammunition and gear. There may not be a surplus of body armor, but we have more firearms and ammunition than we can use. The money has already been spent, remove that from your estimate.

So right off the bat, you’re retarded and wrong. It just gets worse from there. This talk of ‘conscripts’ and pay is retarded. The vast majority will be volunteers. Training, if necessary, can be done at zero expense. Your math is super retarded. I want to see a breakdown of your calculation. No one but niggers would even be tempted by the paltry pay you’re offering in your scenario. You are not in reality and also seriously fucking dumb.

[ - ] prototype [op] -1 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:11:44 ago (+0/-1)

So right off the bat, you’re retarded and wrong. It just gets worse from there. This talk of ‘conscripts’ and pay is retarded. The vast majority will be volunteers. Training, if necessary, can be done at zero expense. Your math is super retarded. I want to see a breakdown of your calculation. No one but niggers would even be tempted by the paltry pay you’re offering in your scenario. You are not in reality and also seriously fucking dumb.

"no one but niggers would be tempted by you're paltry pay", "they would all be volunteers."

Choose.

An army marches on its stomach.

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 16:32:29 ago (+0/-0)

You absolute retard. You didn’t have anything to back up your imaginary claims. Do the math for me, dumbass. Show your work.

[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:17:59 ago (+0/-0)

cost Americans as much or more

Nah. We’d win everything. The cost is irrelevant when the price for not fighting is permanent genocide.

And it is the only viable way. Welcome to Acceleration.

“OY VEY GOYIM JUST GIVE US EVERYTHING WE EVER WANTED EVEN FASTER!”

Nah. Not going to do that.

[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:08:26 ago (+1/-0)

Nah. We’d win everything. The cost is irrelevant when the price for not fighting is permanent genocide.

The trick is in convincing them of this. And I've seen very few people capable of convincing others of this.
Maybe if someone like you TK had a multimillion dollar propaganda front that you headed and operated, there would be someone with a shot of convincing the american public of what you speak of, but you don't, and therefore can't, and theres no one else that does either.

[ - ] inaminit 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 12:53:40 ago (+0/-0)

Non-Participation is the only weapon you have and they fear it; such is why they make going off-grid so difficult. Vote with your feet, People... Society as it stands is absolute shit and cannot be sustained.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:06:52 ago (+0/-0)

Non-Participation is the only weapon you have and they fear it; such is why they make going off-grid so difficult. Vote with your feet, People... Society as it stands is absolute shit and cannot be sustained.

The great thing about that too is if a sufficient percentage (I estimate the lowerbound is about 1%) go off-grid, it becomes enough of a threat to the u.s. government that they start implementing policies to either force them back 'on grid', or directly make examples out of them.

And presto-chango, that off-grid element becomes the support network and recruit pool of guerilla forces against the regime.