Assuming a 1% participation rate, and a cost to equip, train, feed, and pay low-grade conscripts, on the order of $20k a year for a 4 year conflict, you're looking at north of a quarter trillion dollars.
So before one more person writes "why isn't anyone doing anything?!" and makes some heart-wrenching post about some white kid murdered by a nigger, or some jewish banker exploiting and robbing a few million americans in another scam, or some commie autocrat in washington talking about property confiscation to pay u.s. debts, I'd like to ask:
Do you have that kind of money laying around?
No? Then you're fucking dreaming. Sit down.
The only way this shit stops, is the u.s. government collapses. Spreading information about the failure of the dollar, pushing that narrative, is how it collapses--enhancing public polarization, and all the social instability that causes, undermining u.s. economic stability, u.s. international public relations, all of that, is the only say you have in this shit.
It may take a few demonstrations that the machine is neither invulnerable nor infallible to spur those inclined toward action.
Thats what the estimated twenty thousand part-time paid-by-the-tipoff FBI informants are for, the real life stasi, along with the 60k+ dudes in the pentagon "signature reduction program" (and probably another 50k total people scattered throughout the other dozen and a half intelligence agencies under the federal umbrella of the regime). They exist because anything that gets off the ground longer than five minutes flips the man power equation irreversibly against them. Hence why you can't walk into a bar with two guys and a one-eyed dog talking about revolt, without at least two of them being regime informants.
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 17:28:31 ago (+1/-0)
I had no idea it was that bad.
Doesn't change the view from here and I'm curious to see how this plays out.
Gulag Archipelago comes to mind. I wonder, however, if the outcome of their inaction at the hands of the destructive organs of the state may somehow be turned to our advantage.
He talks like he knows what he’s discussing but you’re having a conversation with his imagination. This moron knows nothing and is talking entirely out of his ass. Source? He made it up. Fantasy.
Gulag Archipelago comes to mind. I wonder, however, if the outcome of their inaction at the hands of the destructive organs of the state may somehow be turned to our advantage.
I'd put the radicalization rate (or potential) of the u.s. military at somewhere between 5-10% at the limit, but it'd still require an initiating campaign, both in propaganda and live events, to push them to that point. See the lack of pushback over the ideological purity test that was the covid 19 injections.
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:26:50 ago (+1/-0)
Ten trillion of them is not worth a single gram of copper
Or brass, or lead.
But where is anyone going to get that brass or lead? Enough to fight a war where the government spends a quarter trillion equivalent of brass and lead?
Also, the quarter trillion is what you can expect the u.s. to spend fighting americans.
For example, I estimate it would take one veteran and 10-15 irregulars trained by them, to have a 50% shot of taking down a u.s. tank. The other half of that scenario is they're all captured and/or killed.
If you assumed national guard out on every street in a every american city with a population greater than 100k people, and each of the units out, assuming only one was deployed, had at least a tank (with a compliment of soldiers), you'd need 3400-5k guerillas.
Anything less than a multi-region all-in-the-same-time-window campaign means federal and state forces just bum rush you, redirecting boots on the ground as needed in a sort of mop up operation, concentrating their forces in tit-for-tat gridsearch attacks that cut you up and destroy you piece-meal.
If the radicalization rate (sufficient for 'extremism', where 'extremist' is defined as someone ready and willing to go to war) is a conservative 0.5% of the population, and you expect to recruit 10% of them successfully before your network and cells begin to be ferreted out and experience counter-intelligence pushes, then for any given operation zone, you'd have a pool of at most 500 fighters per city of 100k or greater.
And achieving those numbers would require news and propaganda fronts, including some which are "legit" news/propaganda fronts doing things "by the books" to even reach that number.
Conservatively, an organized push for a war like that, given the scrappy and underfunded logistics of any sort of civil or guerilla war movement, you might get 10% of that number. 50 fighters per city.
Realistically you'd at best match federal and state forces in hit-in-run type engagements, and quickly lose to attrition. The federal officials would lose half or more to attrition once heads start popping on officials and soldiers out taking a smoke or a piss, but that still puts you at a 1. equipment, 2. training, 3. funding, 4. logistics, 5. intelligence disadvantage and you'd lose because of it.
We already bought our own weapons, ammunition and gear. There may not be a surplus of body armor, but we have more firearms and ammunition than we can use. The money has already been spent, remove that from your estimate.
So right off the bat, you’re retarded and wrong. It just gets worse from there. This talk of ‘conscripts’ and pay is retarded. The vast majority will be volunteers. Training, if necessary, can be done at zero expense. Your math is super retarded. I want to see a breakdown of your calculation. No one but niggers would even be tempted by the paltry pay you’re offering in your scenario. You are not in reality and also seriously fucking dumb.
So right off the bat, you’re retarded and wrong. It just gets worse from there. This talk of ‘conscripts’ and pay is retarded. The vast majority will be volunteers. Training, if necessary, can be done at zero expense. Your math is super retarded. I want to see a breakdown of your calculation. No one but niggers would even be tempted by the paltry pay you’re offering in your scenario. You are not in reality and also seriously fucking dumb.
"no one but niggers would be tempted by you're paltry pay", "they would all be volunteers."
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:08:26 ago (+1/-0)
Nah. We’d win everything. The cost is irrelevant when the price for not fighting is permanent genocide.
The trick is in convincing them of this. And I've seen very few people capable of convincing others of this. Maybe if someone like you TK had a multimillion dollar propaganda front that you headed and operated, there would be someone with a shot of convincing the american public of what you speak of, but you don't, and therefore can't, and theres no one else that does either.
Non-Participation is the only weapon you have and they fear it; such is why they make going off-grid so difficult. Vote with your feet, People... Society as it stands is absolute shit and cannot be sustained.
Non-Participation is the only weapon you have and they fear it; such is why they make going off-grid so difficult. Vote with your feet, People... Society as it stands is absolute shit and cannot be sustained.
The great thing about that too is if a sufficient percentage (I estimate the lowerbound is about 1%) go off-grid, it becomes enough of a threat to the u.s. government that they start implementing policies to either force them back 'on grid', or directly make examples out of them.
And presto-chango, that off-grid element becomes the support network and recruit pool of guerilla forces against the regime.
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 3 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:32:01 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:09:24 ago (+0/-0)
It's getting americans to believe they can win, enough to try, against 24/7 multibillion dollar federal propaganda, that is the fly in the ointment.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:02:05 ago (+1/-0)
It may take a few demonstrations that the machine is neither invulnerable nor infallible to spur those inclined toward action.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:37:01 ago (+0/-0)
Thats what the estimated twenty thousand part-time paid-by-the-tipoff FBI informants are for, the real life stasi, along with the 60k+ dudes in the pentagon "signature reduction program" (and probably another 50k total people scattered throughout the other dozen and a half intelligence agencies under the federal umbrella of the regime).
They exist because anything that gets off the ground longer than five minutes flips the man power equation irreversibly against them. Hence why you can't walk into a bar with two guys and a one-eyed dog talking about revolt, without at least two of them being regime informants.
It's a chicken-and-egg problem.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 17:28:31 ago (+1/-0)
Doesn't change the view from here and I'm curious to see how this plays out.
Gulag Archipelago comes to mind. I wonder, however, if the outcome of their inaction at the hands of the destructive organs of the state may somehow be turned to our advantage.
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 18:40:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:13:24 ago (+0/-0)
Spaceman is big mad. Try not to be so butthurt fella, lol.
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 16:29:57 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:13:00 ago (+0/-0)
See the J6, which have been turned into martyrs.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:32:48 ago (+0/-0)
Not what I meant.
Arrests haven't begun in earnest yet. That is where I envision "how we burned in the camps" coming into play.
[ + ] ProudRebel
[ - ] ProudRebel 2 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:30:11 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] -1 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:28:41 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] DitchPig
[ - ] DitchPig 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:04:38 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Sleazy
[ - ] Sleazy 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 15:30:41 ago (+1/-0)
Who the fuck cares how many worthless fiat currency dollars are wasted?
Ten trillion of them is not worth a single gram of copper
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:26:50 ago (+1/-0)
Or brass, or lead.
But where is anyone going to get that brass or lead? Enough to fight a war where the government spends a quarter trillion equivalent of brass and lead?
[ + ] Sleazy
[ - ] Sleazy 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 16:56:07 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:36:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:58:07 ago (+0/-0)
Also, the quarter trillion is what you can expect the u.s. to spend fighting americans.
For example, I estimate it would take one veteran and 10-15 irregulars trained by them, to have a 50% shot of taking down a u.s. tank. The other half of that scenario is they're all captured and/or killed.
If you assumed national guard out on every street in a every american city with a population greater than 100k people, and each of the units out, assuming only one was deployed, had at least a tank (with a compliment of soldiers), you'd need 3400-5k guerillas.
Anything less than a multi-region all-in-the-same-time-window campaign means federal and state forces just bum rush you, redirecting boots on the ground as needed in a sort of mop up operation, concentrating their forces in tit-for-tat gridsearch attacks that cut you up and destroy you piece-meal.
If the radicalization rate (sufficient for 'extremism', where 'extremist' is defined as someone ready and willing to go to war) is a conservative 0.5% of the population, and you expect to recruit 10% of them successfully before your network and cells begin to be ferreted out and experience counter-intelligence pushes, then for any given operation zone, you'd have a pool of at most 500 fighters per city of 100k or greater.
And achieving those numbers would require news and propaganda fronts, including some which are "legit" news/propaganda fronts doing things "by the books" to even reach that number.
Conservatively, an organized push for a war like that, given the scrappy and underfunded logistics of any sort of civil or guerilla war movement, you might get 10% of that number. 50 fighters per city.
Realistically you'd at best match federal and state forces in hit-in-run type engagements, and quickly lose to attrition. The federal officials would lose half or more to attrition once heads start popping on officials and soldiers out taking a smoke or a piss, but that still puts you at a 1. equipment, 2. training, 3. funding, 4. logistics, 5. intelligence disadvantage and you'd lose because of it.
[ + ] ZyklonDryCleaners
[ - ] ZyklonDryCleaners 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 19:56:09 ago (+0/-0)
edited to add - ask yourself how do you create a new currency and get the Whites to adopt it
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 18:38:31 ago (+0/-0)
So right off the bat, you’re retarded and wrong. It just gets worse from there. This talk of ‘conscripts’ and pay is retarded. The vast majority will be volunteers. Training, if necessary, can be done at zero expense. Your math is super retarded. I want to see a breakdown of your calculation. No one but niggers would even be tempted by the paltry pay you’re offering in your scenario. You are not in reality and also seriously fucking dumb.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] -1 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 13:11:44 ago (+0/-1)
"no one but niggers would be tempted by you're paltry pay", "they would all be volunteers."
Choose.
An army marches on its stomach.
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 10 monthsAug 17, 2024 16:32:29 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 13:17:59 ago (+0/-0)
Nah. We’d win everything. The cost is irrelevant when the price for not fighting is permanent genocide.
Nah. Not going to do that.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:08:26 ago (+1/-0)
The trick is in convincing them of this. And I've seen very few people capable of convincing others of this.
Maybe if someone like you TK had a multimillion dollar propaganda front that you headed and operated, there would be someone with a shot of convincing the american public of what you speak of, but you don't, and therefore can't, and theres no one else that does either.
[ + ] inaminit
[ - ] inaminit 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 12:53:40 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 10 monthsAug 15, 2024 14:06:52 ago (+0/-0)
The great thing about that too is if a sufficient percentage (I estimate the lowerbound is about 1%) go off-grid, it becomes enough of a threat to the u.s. government that they start implementing policies to either force them back 'on grid', or directly make examples out of them.
And presto-chango, that off-grid element becomes the support network and recruit pool of guerilla forces against the regime.