The jews' 10 commandments were based on the code of Hammurabi, which the jews learned of when Babylon plundered and destroyed Jerusalem and took everyone back as slaves.
Moses receives the law in about 1446 BC, whereas the exile of the House of Judah to Babylon took place in about 568 BC, nearly a millennium later.
Moses received the Ten Commandments as a codification of the terms of the covenant between The Almighty, and Israel (as part of the continuing Abrahamic promises given to Abraham at around the time of Hammurabi). It is evident from the events in the scriptures that some or all of the Law preceded this date.
Among the works of man the code of Hammurabbi is indeed impressive. Howerver they cannot be compared to the divine perfection of the Ten Commandments which survive as the underpinning of all the good aspects of the western legal system.
5. Origin and Later History of the Code:
If, however, Hammurabi was not the first legislator of Babylonia, still he was, as far as we can see, the first one who used the language of the people, i.e. the Semitic idiom. We know that nearly 1,000 years earlier a king, Urukagina, promulgated laws in Babylonia which have been lost; an ancestor of Hammurabi, Sumulael, appears also to have given laws. As we are able to recognize from the actual practice of Babylonian social life, the legislation of Hammurabi signifies nothing essentially new. Even before his time laws after the same principles were administered. His service lies before all in that he gathered together the extant laws and set them up in the Semitic language. The laws were promulgated already in the 2nd year of his reign, but the stele known to us was set up in the temple at Babylon about 30 years later. Moreover, the laws were set up in more than one copy, for in Susa fragments of another copy were found. How long the laws were in actual use it is impossible to determine. In any case, as late as the time of Ashurbanipal (see above), they used to be copied; indeed we even possess copies in neo-Babylonian characters which are later than the 7th century B.C. Fortunately the duplicates contain several passages which are destroyed on the large stele in consequence of the erasure of the seven columns. Thus we are able, in spite of the gaps in the large stele, almost completely to determine the contents of the Code.
II. The Contents of the Code.
The laws themselves are preceded by an introduction which was added later, after the law had already been published about 30 years. The introduction states in the first place that already in the primeval age, when Marduk the god of Babylon was elected king of the gods, Hammurabi was predestined by the gods "to cause justice to radiate over the land, to surrender sinners and evildoers to destruction, and to take care that the strong should not oppress the weak." Hammurabi's Code is, indeed, conceived from this standpoint.
Farther on, the king lauds his services to the principal cities of Babylonia, their temples and cults. He appears as a true server of the gods, as a protector of his people and a gracious prince to those who at first would not acknowledge his supremacy. To be sure, this introduction is not entirely free from presumption; for the king describes himself as "god of the kings" and "sun-god of Babylon "! The hopes of a Saviour, which heathen antiquity also knew, he regards as realized in his own person.
The Code itself may be divided into 12 divisions. It manifests, in no way, a very definite logical system; the sequence is often interrupted, and one recognizes that it is not so much a systematic and exhaustive work as a collection of the legal standards accumulated in the course of time. Much that we would expect to find in a Code is not even mentioned.
1. The Principles of Legal Process:
The first five paragraphs treat of some principles of legal process. In the first place false accusation is considered. The unprovable charge of sorcery is dealt with in an especially interesting manner (section symbol 2). The accused in this case has to submit to an ordeal at the hands of the River-god; nevertheless nothing is said concerning the details of this ordeal. If he is convicted by the god as guilty, the accuser receives his house; in the opposite case, the accuser is condemned to death and the accused receives his house. The law also proceeds rigorously against false witnesses: in a process in which life is at stake, conscious perjury is punished with death (section symbol 3). Finally the king strives also for an uncorrupt body of judges; a judge who has not carried out the judgment of the court correctly has not only to pay twelve times the sum at issue, but he is also dismissed with disgrace from his office.
2. Theft, Burglary, Robbery:
The next sections (section symbol, section symbol 6-25) occupy themselves with serious theft, burglary, robbery and other crimes of a like nature. Theft from palace or temple, or the receiving and concealing of stolen property, is punished with death or a heavy fine according to the nature of what is stolen (section symbol, section symbol 6, 8). As it was a custom in Babylonia to effect every purchase in the presence of witnesses or with a written deed of sale, one understands the regulation that, in certain cases in which witnesses were not forthcoming, or a deed could not be shown, theft was assumed: the guilty person suffered death (section symbol 7). A careful procedure is prescribed for the case in which lost goods are found in the hands of another: he who, in the investigation, cannot prove his legitimate right, suffers death, just as a deceiver who tries to enrich himself through making a false accusation (section symbol, section symbol 9). Kidnapping of a free child or carrying away and concealing a slave from the palace is punished with death (section symbol, section symbol 14). As slavery had the greatest economic significance in Babylonia, detailed regulations concerning the seizing of runaway slaves and similar matters were given (section symbol, section symbol 17). Burglary, as also robbery, is punished with death (section symbol, section symbol 21). If a robber is not caught, the persons or corporations responsible for the safety of the land had to make compensation (section symbol, section symbol 22). Whoever attempts to enrich himself from a building in conflagration is thrown into the fire (section symbol 25).
Moses receives the law in about 1446 BC, whereas the exile of the House of Judah to Babylon took place in about 568 BC, nearly a millennium later.
Fair enough. That even was not the first contact with the code of Hammurabi and the jews, although the code precedes the alleged event of Moses receiving the law in 1446 BC. I honestly don't believe Moses ever existed, and there is no evidence that jews were in captivity in Egypt, that there were plagues on the Egyptians described in Exodus, that there was an exodus from Egypt, and that jews wandered the wilderness for 40 years. There is absolutely no evidence of the existence of Moses at all.
But the Mosaic law could have developed (and likely did) from what jewish traders learned abroad in Babylon about their law, which they would have had to comply with while they conducted transactions there.
Dude, I'm not going to debate you, and I'm especially not going to watch over 11 hours of your boring videos. We're not going to change each others' minds.
1. I know your names. REVERSE OF Hallowed be thy name. 2. I have acted according to his will REVERSE OF Thy will be done. 3. I have given bread. REVERSE OF Give us today our daily bread. 4. I have not sinned. REVERSE OF Forgive us our Sins. 5. Let no evil come to me from you. REVERSE OF deliver us from evil 6. And do not bring my wickedness to [the kingdom] of Osiris, the god you serve. REVERSE OF For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory.
FYI there is a precursor to ‘the LORD’s Prayer’ given to King David recorded in The Book of Chronicles; ‘David's Prayer of Praise’.
10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever and ever. 11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all. 12 Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all. 13 Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name. 1 Chronicles 29 KJV
Amun and Amaunet are mentioned in the Old Egyptian Pyramid Texts.[9] The name Amun (written imn) meant something like "the hidden one" or "invisible",[10] which is also attested by epithets found in the Pyramid Texts "O You, the great god whose name is unknown".[11] Amun - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun
The name of The Almighty, the creator of all things is YAHUAH [ יהוה ]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
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Moses received the Ten Commandments as a codification of the terms of the covenant between The Almighty, and Israel (as part of the continuing Abrahamic promises given to Abraham at around the time of Hammurabi). It is evident from the events in the scriptures that some or all of the Law preceded this date.
Among the works of man the code of Hammurabbi is indeed impressive. Howerver they cannot be compared to the divine perfection of the Ten Commandments which survive as the underpinning of all the good aspects of the western legal system.
5. Origin and Later History of the Code:
If, however, Hammurabi was not the first legislator of Babylonia, still he was, as far as we can see, the first one who used the language of the people, i.e. the Semitic idiom. We know that nearly 1,000 years earlier a king, Urukagina, promulgated laws in Babylonia which have been lost; an ancestor of Hammurabi, Sumulael, appears also to have given laws. As we are able to recognize from the actual practice of Babylonian social life, the legislation of Hammurabi signifies nothing essentially new. Even before his time laws after the same principles were administered. His service lies before all in that he gathered together the extant laws and set them up in the Semitic language. The laws were promulgated already in the 2nd year of his reign, but the stele known to us was set up in the temple at Babylon about 30 years later. Moreover, the laws were set up in more than one copy, for in Susa fragments of another copy were found. How long the laws were in actual use it is impossible to determine. In any case, as late as the time of Ashurbanipal (see above), they used to be copied; indeed we even possess copies in neo-Babylonian characters which are later than the 7th century B.C. Fortunately the duplicates contain several passages which are destroyed on the large stele in consequence of the erasure of the seven columns. Thus we are able, in spite of the gaps in the large stele, almost completely to determine the contents of the Code.
II. The Contents of the Code.
The laws themselves are preceded by an introduction which was added later, after the law had already been published about 30 years. The introduction states in the first place that already in the primeval age, when Marduk the god of Babylon was elected king of the gods, Hammurabi was predestined by the gods "to cause justice to radiate over the land, to surrender sinners and evildoers to destruction, and to take care that the strong should not oppress the weak." Hammurabi's Code is, indeed, conceived from this standpoint.
Farther on, the king lauds his services to the principal cities of Babylonia, their temples and cults. He appears as a true server of the gods, as a protector of his people and a gracious prince to those who at first would not acknowledge his supremacy. To be sure, this introduction is not entirely free from presumption; for the king describes himself as "god of the kings" and "sun-god of Babylon "! The hopes of a Saviour, which heathen antiquity also knew, he regards as realized in his own person.
The Code itself may be divided into 12 divisions. It manifests, in no way, a very definite logical system; the sequence is often interrupted, and one recognizes that it is not so much a systematic and exhaustive work as a collection of the legal standards accumulated in the course of time. Much that we would expect to find in a Code is not even mentioned.
1. The Principles of Legal Process:
The first five paragraphs treat of some principles of legal process. In the first place false accusation is considered. The unprovable charge of sorcery is dealt with in an especially interesting manner (section symbol 2). The accused in this case has to submit to an ordeal at the hands of the River-god; nevertheless nothing is said concerning the details of this ordeal. If he is convicted by the god as guilty, the accuser receives his house; in the opposite case, the accuser is condemned to death and the accused receives his house. The law also proceeds rigorously against false witnesses: in a process in which life is at stake, conscious perjury is punished with death (section symbol 3). Finally the king strives also for an uncorrupt body of judges; a judge who has not carried out the judgment of the court correctly has not only to pay twelve times the sum at issue, but he is also dismissed with disgrace from his office.
2. Theft, Burglary, Robbery:
The next sections (section symbol, section symbol 6-25) occupy themselves with serious theft, burglary, robbery and other crimes of a like nature. Theft from palace or temple, or the receiving and concealing of stolen property, is punished with death or a heavy fine according to the nature of what is stolen (section symbol, section symbol 6, 8). As it was a custom in Babylonia to effect every purchase in the presence of witnesses or with a written deed of sale, one understands the regulation that, in certain cases in which witnesses were not forthcoming, or a deed could not be shown, theft was assumed: the guilty person suffered death (section symbol 7). A careful procedure is prescribed for the case in which lost goods are found in the hands of another: he who, in the investigation, cannot prove his legitimate right, suffers death, just as a deceiver who tries to enrich himself through making a false accusation (section symbol, section symbol 9). Kidnapping of a free child or carrying away and concealing a slave from the palace is punished with death (section symbol, section symbol 14). As slavery had the greatest economic significance in Babylonia, detailed regulations concerning the seizing of runaway slaves and similar matters were given (section symbol, section symbol 17). Burglary, as also robbery, is punished with death (section symbol, section symbol 21). If a robber is not caught, the persons or corporations responsible for the safety of the land had to make compensation (section symbol, section symbol 22). Whoever attempts to enrich himself from a building in conflagration is thrown into the fire (section symbol 25).
Topical Bible: Hammurabi
https://biblehub.com/topical/h/hammurabi.htm
Interesting video about the foundations of Babylon:
Nimrod: The True Story of the Tower of Babel - Trey Smith [1.08.13]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4a91ww1qsU&t=1s
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Fair enough. That even was not the first contact with the code of Hammurabi and the jews, although the code precedes the alleged event of Moses receiving the law in 1446 BC. I honestly don't believe Moses ever existed, and there is no evidence that jews were in captivity in Egypt, that there were plagues on the Egyptians described in Exodus, that there was an exodus from Egypt, and that jews wandered the wilderness for 40 years. There is absolutely no evidence of the existence of Moses at all.
But the Mosaic law could have developed (and likely did) from what jewish traders learned abroad in Babylon about their law, which they would have had to comply with while they conducted transactions there.
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Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with film maker Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 1 - The Journey [1.44.00]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RohPpQRKHSs
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 2 - The Evidence [1.53.11]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C618MkFej
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 3 - Fairytale or History? [2.10.46]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpydrE_4X8
Patterns of Evidence EXODUS with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 4 - Q&A [1.00.05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDep5GFMLQ
The Scientific Truth About Creation, Flood, & Evolution (The Ark and The Darkness Movie) - AoC Network [1.55.58]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB4iL3awt2A
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2. Hail, Hept-khet, who comest forth from Kher-aha, I have not committed robbery with violence.
3. Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have not stolen.
4. Hail, Am-khaibit, who comest forth from Qernet, I have not slain men and women.
5. Hail, Neha-her, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not stolen grain.
6. Hail, Ruruti, who comest forth from Heaven, I have not purloined offerings.
7. Hail, Arfi-em-khet, who comest forth from Suat, I have not stolen the property of God.
8. Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not uttered lies.
9. Hail, Set-qesu, who comest forth from Hensu, I have not carried away food.
10. Hail, Utu-nesert, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not uttered curses.
11. Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery.
12. Hail, Hraf-haf, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have made none to weep.
13. Hail, Basti, who comest forth from Bast, I have not eaten the heart.
14. Hail, Ta-retiu, who comest forth from the night, I have not attacked any man.
15. Hail, Unem-snef, who comest forth from the execution chamber, I am not a man of deceit.
16. Hail, Unem-besek, who comest forth from Mabit, I have not stolen cultivated land.
17. Hail, Neb-Maat, who comest forth from Maati, I have not been an eavesdropper.
18. Hail, Tenemiu, who comest forth from Bast, I have not slandered anyone.
19. Hail, Sertiu, who comest forth from Anu, I have not been angry without just cause.
20. Hail, Tutu, who comest forth from Ati, I have not debauched the wife of any man.
21. Hail, Uamenti, who comest forth from the Khebt chamber, I have not debauched the wives of other men.
22. Hail, Maa-antuf, who comest forth from Per-Menu, I have not polluted myself.
23. Hail, Her-uru, who comest forth from Nehatu, I have terrorized none.
24. Hail, Khemiu, who comest forth from Kaui, I have not transgressed the law.
25. Hail, Shet-kheru, who comest forth from Urit, I have not been angry.
26. Hail, Nekhenu, who comest forth from Heqat, I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.
27. Hail, Kenemti, who comest forth from Kenmet, I have not blasphemed.
28. Hail, An-hetep-f, who comest forth from Sau, I am not a man of violence.
29. Hail, Sera-kheru, who comest forth from Unaset, I have not been a stirrer up of strife.
30. Hail, Neb-heru, who comest forth from Netchfet, I have not acted with undue haste.
31. Hail, Sekhriu, who comest forth from Uten, I have not pried into other's matters.
32. Hail, Neb-abui, who comest forth from Sauti, I have not multiplied my words in speaking.
33. Hail, Nefer-Tem, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have wronged none, I have done no evil.
34. Hail, Tem-Sepu, who comest forth from Tetu, I have not worked witchcraft against the king.
35. Hail, Ari-em-ab-f, who comest forth from Tebu, I have never stopped the flow of water of a neighbor.
36. Hail, Ahi, who comest forth from Nu, I have never raised my voice.
37. Hail, Uatch-rekhit, who comest forth from Sau, I have not cursed God.
38. Hail, Neheb-ka, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not acted with arrogance.
39. Hail, Neheb-nefert, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
40. Hail, Tcheser-tep, who comest forth from the shrine, I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the spirits of the dead.
41. Hail, An-af, who comest forth from Maati, I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
42. Hail, Hetch-abhu, who comest forth from Ta-she, I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.
- https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Negative_Confession/
The Jews stole far more than this from the Ancient Egyptains.
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Moses 'The Murderer" just used the "Cliff's Notes" version of this 42 pointer.
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The Trinity is Ancient Egyptian, as is the magical "Virgin Birth" of Horus (Son of Ra/Osiris) from Isis.
Osiris = Father
Horus = Son
Ra = Holy Ghost
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus#Horus_and_the_pharaoh
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The trinity is a catholic interposition not found in scripture.
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- https://i.imgflip.com/90843a.jpg
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1. I know your names. REVERSE OF Hallowed be thy name.
2. I have acted according to his will REVERSE OF Thy will be done.
3. I have given bread. REVERSE OF Give us today our daily bread.
4. I have not sinned. REVERSE OF Forgive us our Sins.
5. Let no evil come to me from you. REVERSE OF deliver us from evil
6. And do not bring my wickedness to [the kingdom] of Osiris, the god you serve. REVERSE OF For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory.
FYI there is a precursor to ‘the LORD’s Prayer’ given to King David recorded in The Book of Chronicles;
‘David's Prayer of Praise’.
10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever and ever.
11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
12 Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.
13 Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.
1 Chronicles 29 KJV
Amun and Amaunet are mentioned in the Old Egyptian Pyramid Texts.[9] The name Amun (written imn) meant something like "the hidden one" or "invisible",[10] which is also attested by epithets found in the Pyramid Texts "O You, the great god whose name is unknown".[11]
Amun - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun
The name of The Almighty, the creator of all things is YAHUAH [ יהוה ]