The Flaws in Heliocentric Claims: Gravity, Atmosphere, and Lunar Tides
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The heliocentric model, which posits that the Earth revolves around the Sun and the Moon orbits the Earth, is deeply ingrained in modern scientific thought. However, this model contains several inconsistencies and contradictions, especially when examining the behavior of our atmosphere and the influence of gravitational forces. By exploring these contradictions, we can expose the weaknesses in heliocentric claims regarding the atmosphere and the Moon's effect on tides.
The Atmosphere and the Vacuum of Space
One of the most glaring issues with the heliocentric model is the explanation of how our pressurized atmosphere can exist next to the near-perfect vacuum of space. According to the second law of thermodynamics, gases should naturally move from areas of higher pressure to lower pressure until equilibrium is reached. In this case, the high-pressure atmosphere should expand into the vacuum of space, yet this does not happen.
Proponents of the heliocentric model argue that gravity prevents this expansion. They claim that gravity, even at its weakest point on the edge of the atmosphere, is sufficient to keep the gases from dissipating into space. However, this explanation is fraught with problems. Gravity's pull weakens with distance, and at the edge of the atmosphere, it is significantly weaker than at the Earth's surface. The notion that this feeble gravitational pull can counteract the natural tendency of gases to expand into a vacuum is highly questionable.
The Moon and Tides
The explanation for tides in the heliocentric model further complicates the picture. It is claimed that the Moon's gravity is strong enough to cause high and low tides on Earth. This implies that the Moon's gravitational pull can influence the Earth's oceans, which are under the strongest influence of Earth's gravity. If the Moon can exert such a force on the Earth's oceans, then logically, the Moon's gravity should have an even stronger effect as we move upwards from the Earth's surface towards the Moon.
At higher altitudes, the Earth's gravitational pull weakens, while the Moon's influence would ostensibly become stronger. Therefore, at the edge of the atmosphere facing the Moon, both the Earth's and the Moon's gravitational forces should be competing for the same matter. This competition is further complicated by the presence of the vacuum of space, which would naturally draw the atmospheric gases outward.
Competing Gravitational Forces
If the Moon's gravity can pull on the water at the Earth's surface, where Earth's gravity is strongest, it stands to reason that this pull would be even more pronounced at higher altitudes, where Earth's gravity is weaker. Consequently, the gases in the atmosphere at the edge facing the Moon should be caught in a tug-of-war between the Earth's and the Moon's gravitational forces. The vacuum of space would add another layer of complexity, as it would exert a force causing the gases to expand outward.
This situation leads to a paradox: if gravity is indeed responsible for holding the atmosphere in place, then the Moon's gravitational pull should disrupt this balance, particularly at the edge of the atmosphere. The competing forces of Earth's gravity, the Moon's gravity, and the vacuum of space create a scenario that the heliocentric model fails to adequately explain.
Conclusion
The heliocentric claims that gravity can hold the atmosphere in place and that the Moon causes tides on Earth are fraught with inconsistencies. The second law of thermodynamics dictates that gases should expand into a vacuum, yet we are told gravity prevents this, even at its weakest point. Furthermore, if the Moon's gravity can cause tides on Earth, it should also significantly affect the atmosphere, particularly at higher altitudes where Earth's gravitational pull weakens. The heliocentric model's inability to reconcile these competing forces and natural laws highlights its flaws and calls into question its validity. By examining these inconsistencies, we can see that the explanations provided by the heliocentric model are not only implausible but also contradictory.
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You have the retarded claim to defend.
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You faggots make it obvious when you can't admit that NASA was developed by jews.
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Was NASA developed by jews?
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Do jewish Kabbalah teaching and the foundations upon which the entire belief system is based, depend upon a flat earth and geocenterism?
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The Federal Reserve Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23, 1913.
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The Federal Reserve Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23, 1913.
Your presidents are zog puppets.
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According to your model, when did they figure this whole core thing out? It's a joke.
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It doesn't have a model.
There aren't any swindling heebs to make one.
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It's stupid to assume anything without objective evidence. That's why the Earth is flat and stationary. I do not feel like I am moving. Shit looks flat.
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Is this what you call "objective evidence"?
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The universe is recursive, and everything is fake and gay.
We're on a peeled orange with a glow in the dark marble inside.
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I have observable evidence. I do not feel like I'm moving and shit looks flat. That is the default until proven otherwise.
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You are wrong.
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https://youtu.be/rE3QOj6t48c
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I just checked.
It's got curvature.
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You can observe the blatant descepencies between a flat earth model and reality with regard to distance. You can observe how the discrepancies are removed by distorting the clearly flawed flat earth model into a spherical model.
You can observe that the scale of a spherical map of the earth exactly matches observable distances, while no scale is ever provided for any flat earth model, makes these types of observations possible on a flat earth model.
You can observe that the sun rises and sets at specific times in specific places. You can also observe that the flat earth model is not possible with the observable sunrises and sunsets while the spherical model of earth explains these observable things easily and sensibly.
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F=F1+F2
F*=MG
G=M1M1/d^2
This isn't hard.
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No one does, unless they are moving relative to their inertia moving with the earth. This, again, is an issue with your learning disability. You are too stupid to understand that an object on the earth, moves with the earth. Sorry dude but you're just dumb.
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I have never said this. Flat tard playbook #2: 2. This is what YOU think! (some bullshit completely unrelated to what you said)
No, it does not. You are retarded. Do you even understand what an orbit is?
No, it is not. It is explained perfectly by the concept of momentum. You are so stupid you think and orbit and therefore momentum mean constant acceleration. You are wrong.
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Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg
ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.
This is only possible on a spherical earth.
The Earth can only be sphere. It's the only reasonable shape that explains this.
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Who has ever suggested that molecules don't leave the earth's atmosphere and isn't it also reasonable that the earth's gravitational field could capture free floating molecules in space?
Why not just address the issues being raised?
Disingenuous fucking nigger.
That's why.
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This is pretty simple. You have to explain why the Earth's gravity is beating the moon's gravity in the vacuum at the edge of the atmosphere. When right underneath it, the moon's gravity is beating the Earth's gravity at the surface creating ocean tides. This is a contradiction.
What is holding the atmosphere to the Earth on the side that is facing the Moon?
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That's incredibly simple.
G=M1M2/d^2
M1 would be the earth or moon
M2 would be the molecule in question
And d^2 would be the square of the distance between M1 and M2.
The moon is tiny compared to the earth and the molecule, even at its outer limits of the atmosphere is much, much closer to the earth's center of gravity than the moon's.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
And no, the moon's gravity is not "beating" the earth's gravity with the water to cause tides. Why would you think that? You see water molecules floating off toward the moon? The moon's gravity doesn't even come close to breaking water's surface tension, much less earth's gravity.
Did you graduate from an actual grade school?
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I can get chat AI to contradict itself all day. It will say "you are correct" when I tell it that it's wrong and then it will repeat the same. Bullshit you're copying and pasting right now.
There is no argument for it. Heliocentrism is objectively false. There is no explanation for how the atmosphere can stay bound to the Earth. The claim of gravity is false if the Moon has a gravitational effect on the earth.
It's that simple and your AI ramblings won't fix it.
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Are you purposely pretending like the moon and the Earth wouldn't be competing over the same matter in the same conditions? Why is the Earth automatically better at holding air than the moon?
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Lmao oh don't know bud, maybe the fact that the earth is vastly larger than the moon? Fucking moron LOL. Next time at least make an attempt to use your brain before posting.
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Well, It's all just a fantasy so none of it is true. You're just a retard for believing such nonsense.
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The size of the earth versus the size of the moon, and the distance away from the object being acted upon by the gravity of each.
G = M1M2/d^2
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There isn't winners and losers. Both the moon and earth have gravity and they can work in conjunction using simple angular math.
Gravity is exactly how the atmosphere stays "bound" to earth.
You never answered the question. What is the difference in the gravitational constant of the earth at sea level versus the outer edge of the atmosphere? What is the moon's gravitational constant at moon's surface versus the edge of the earth's (not moon's) atmosphere? It's not zero. It has an affect. This shit is common fucking sense easily backed by math, physically demonstrated in reality, and what seems like obviousness.
The earth cannot possibly be flat.
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027
Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg
ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.
This is only possible on a spherical earth.
The Earth can only be sphere. It's the only reasonable shape that explains this.
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