People can't work if they can't trade that work for goods and services. Without an alternative to jew fiat banking the entire economy would collapse. Crypto is a good start, but you can't count on the Internet being there after SHTF. A metals based system has it's own challenges. A solution could be electronic but requiring access to the Internet to transact is strategically shortsighted. We need some sort of hybrid electronic, offline capable system.
People often forget to include the danger of foreign countries after a local conflict. Destroying the current system without having a solution ready would quickly lead to a feudal/tribal groups that could be taken out one at a time.
We’ll be bartering and trading with goods and silver coins. Those not prepared will get by the way the people of Europe managed during WW2; they’ll be sucking cock for a chickens egg.
It won’t last forever. Whoever wins will determine the financial system. So don’t lose.
[ - ] glooper 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 22:40:50 ago (+1/-0)*
Idaho checking in. Already most mom and pop shops around here are trading one silver oz/coin for $26.60 for what ever goods or services they are selling/dealing in. 26.60 to 29.10 was todays rate on the boards as I was out shopping, everyone's got a little sign somewhere close to the cash register detailing the trading rate. It changes, depending.
Was over on one of the neighboring Injun rezes and they are doing the same thing.
Cute little "International Trading Units" of 1 oz silver bars are showing up instead of actual coins.
I've acquired about 40 so far...
Saw my first loose gem stone cross the bar to pay off a hefty bar tab the other night, a little green emerald.
That’s cool. I’ve not seen a vendor in Texas that advertises they will take silver. I’ve been hoarding pre-65 silver dimes for 30 years. Junk silver, they call it. I do the dimes because in a society collapse situation, no one will be able to make change for an ounce of silver. An ounce will be worth two cows, and I just want that chicken over there.
Have just shy of 100 silver coins stacked. Neighbor and I agreed to trade chicken and vegetables and timber just in those silver coins when the world goes tits up.
A coin, or dollar, can circulate throughout an entire community, and end up producing a lot more than its metal price or face value.
There is a way without money...be useful at something that benefits everyone. Make friends that you can do favors for and in turn they will do some for you.
Money makes you impersonal. Plus temptation always wins and people get fucked, because they always want more.
If you make nothing but excuses of why or what....you don't deserve to live. You are a problem waiting to happen. A future burden really.
Because I have helped people move, they help me cut trees and help chip up all the neighbors trees too.
We have BBQ and let or kids use chainsaws at 15yo.
Do you know everyone on your street?
Before you go off and be a bitch, it takes a village to do this, takes compromise even. Takes you being able to listen to others and acknowledge what they are saying.
Are you going to do "favors" for everyone you need something from? Want to build a house? You'll need lumber, nails, shingles, bricks, wire, switches, light fixtures, plumbing, etc. Now do a favor for everyone for everything you need in a year, you can't.
A proper monetary system is a store of work, that can be redistributed to people you want to want want things from, even if you don't know them and they don't want any "favors" from you. In your favor-bartering system, some people won't need your favors then, or maybe ever, so you can't get what they have. Imagine trying to schedule working for someone so you can get salt for breakfast. There's also the problem of not getting along with people, and not wanting to do or receive favors from someone. Money basically is a favor-exchange that's completely agnostic about where favors come from, which is what we need.
How would a complex item like a chainsaw ever get built, and what kind of favor would you have to do for it with your system? Absurd. I was using a chainsaw younger than 15 BTW. We sold the firewood we cut and bought a log splitter from a guy we had never met and didn't live near. He bought the splitter from a factory that was in another state. Don't cuss at people because you have a different idea, when you haven't even begun to think yours through.
[ - ] Prairie 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 03:30:24 ago (+1/-0)
Yes, money makes things efficient. Barter is like having a storage room where each box can only go in one place, whereas with money it can go wherever there is space, and you can move them around as necessary. Money also sends useful signals about supply and demand, to help allocate resources better.
Making excuses for items like the chainsaw when honestly you can use various means to accomplish the task that would require a chainsaw, or repurpose ones in circulation.
You don't want to be part of society do ya? Is it because you are a kike? One of them fellow white people some talk about here?
You seem to want to just NOT grasp the power of community because you gotta insult someone? You just have to black pill anything but the way we been doing that doesn't work, hasn't worked really.
As for what you did before 15, I don't care, why bring that up? You wanna be tougher than a 15yo? My son doesn't have to do it, nor has he ever had to do it.
He focuses on shit he wants to do, things like learning hydraulics to rehose a bobcat another guy down the street has, spends time teaching people about agriculture he learned from a farmer we used to live by for the community garden.
See we make friends, people that stop for a glass of tea because they know I always have some. My son learns how to work with the people in the world we leave his generation.
That really didn't turn out to be the flex you thought it would.....did it?
Maybe just maybe you should realize that world isn't against you, I been doing shit my way for the past 5y. Life is great here, no animosity, no dick measures with teenagers on how much of a badass we assumed we were.
Why do you equate having a monetary system with not having community? Even the Amish use money. Having a monetary system obviously doesn't keep you from exchanging favors and building community. Go to the middle of the jungle in Africa if you want community without money. What we need is a monetary system not run by jews and other satanists.
You brought up giving the 15 year old getting a chainsaw. You're asking me why I responded to it? I'm questioning responding to you at all since you're obviously retarded. Since you lack reading skills, I responded to the chainsaw comment to illustrate the point about chainsaws and splitters not existing under your favor system. Try reading it again when you're not drinking.
He focuses on shit he wants to do, things like learning hydraulics to rehose a bobcat another guy down the street has
How are you going to build something like a Bobcat that uses resources from all over the country and planet in a favor based system? Tell him he's wasting his time learning hydraulics (replacing hoses and adding fluid isn't "learning hydraulics" BTW) because when you implement your favor based system he'll be too busy trying to trade raspberries for handmade cloth before winter to bother with the Bobcat.
You don't want to be part of society do ya? Is it because you are a kike? One of them fellow white people some talk about here?
No, jews have community, something most White people lack. If we were as tight as them we might not have been infiltrated to this level. Still, we can't live like anything approaching the Amish because we'll just get overrun.
You seem to want to just NOT grasp the power of community because you gotta insult someone? You just have to black pill anything but the way we been doing that doesn't work, hasn't worked really.
I didn't initially insult you, you're projecting, probably the same as with your calling me a jew. If you think I'm a jew look through my post history
You can spend you time arguing about the "power of community" in between the time when jews burn your houses down with a laser from orbit and send in a drone swarm to finish you off. .
You're ignoring the fact that we need to maintain a high level of civilization, which is defined by a high level of interaction between individuals, just to keep other countries from invading.
You seem like you're here to fight no matter what. Maybe I should just curse at you, I'm not sure you're worth arguing with.
See you assume it is argue because I won't just agree with you. It is discussion I felt.
Have you seen Amish? Observed their conditions of community lately? They are fucked...adopting niggers to work crops in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
They are inbred as fuck now. Till them niggers start fucking the non hills have eyes cast members. I don't think you honestly grasp what the world is around you.
You have relied on what others will tell you what is because you gotten lazy, also I asked if you were a jew, didn't say you was.
Which you didn't answer either. I will let you assume what my son does is up for your approval. You seem to covet that amount of control over complete strangers affairs.
For the chainsaw I gave you and explanation and you can see that various means of reconditioned items will work with spare parts. You can get that community can have Co ops that will pool everyone resources together to barter for the items they need?
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 2 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:04:25 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] lord_nougat
[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:38:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager
[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 3 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:10:32 ago (+3/-0)
It won’t last forever. Whoever wins will determine the financial system. So don’t lose.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 22:40:50 ago (+1/-0)*
Already most mom and pop shops around here are trading one silver oz/coin for $26.60 for what ever goods or services they are selling/dealing in. 26.60 to 29.10 was todays rate on the boards as I was out shopping, everyone's got a little sign somewhere close to the cash register detailing the trading rate. It changes, depending.
Was over on one of the neighboring Injun rezes and they are doing the same thing.
Cute little "International Trading Units" of 1 oz silver bars are showing up instead of actual coins.
I've acquired about 40 so far...
Saw my first loose gem stone cross the bar to pay off a hefty bar tab the other night, a little green emerald.
[ + ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager
[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 23:11:43 ago (+1/-0)
I’ve been hoarding pre-65 silver dimes for 30 years. Junk silver, they call it. I do the dimes because in a society collapse situation, no one will be able to make change for an ounce of silver. An ounce will be worth two cows, and I just want that chicken over there.
[ + ] Reawakened
[ - ] Reawakened 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 08:50:34 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] 2Drunk
[ - ] 2Drunk 3 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:24:34 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 6 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:30:30 ago (+6/-0)
You’re beyond saving. It’s called barter. Just barter.
[ + ] CasualObserver
[ - ] CasualObserver 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 22:24:33 ago (+1/-0)
barter is great in high trust society, but we seem to have squandered a lot of that.
I'd much rather preserve my ability to use cash than have a revolution with you guys.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 3 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:35:27 ago (+3/-0)
A coin, or dollar, can circulate throughout an entire community, and end up producing a lot more than its metal price or face value.
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 2 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 20:00:04 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] xmasskull
[ - ] xmasskull 1 point 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 22:08:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anotherone
[ - ] Anotherone -1 points 9 monthsJul 23, 2024 23:14:57 ago (+0/-1)
Money makes you impersonal. Plus temptation always wins and people get fucked, because they always want more.
If you make nothing but excuses of why or what....you don't deserve to live. You are a problem waiting to happen. A future burden really.
Because I have helped people move, they help me cut trees and help chip up all the neighbors trees too.
We have BBQ and let or kids use chainsaws at 15yo.
Do you know everyone on your street?
Before you go off and be a bitch, it takes a village to do this, takes compromise even. Takes you being able to listen to others and acknowledge what they are saying.
Fuck your idea.
[ + ] allAheadFull
[ - ] allAheadFull [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 00:37:35 ago (+1/-0)
A proper monetary system is a store of work, that can be redistributed to people you want to want want things from, even if you don't know them and they don't want any "favors" from you. In your favor-bartering system, some people won't need your favors then, or maybe ever, so you can't get what they have. Imagine trying to schedule working for someone so you can get salt for breakfast. There's also the problem of not getting along with people, and not wanting to do or receive favors from someone. Money basically is a favor-exchange that's completely agnostic about where favors come from, which is what we need.
How would a complex item like a chainsaw ever get built, and what kind of favor would you have to do for it with your system? Absurd. I was using a chainsaw younger than 15 BTW. We sold the firewood we cut and bought a log splitter from a guy we had never met and didn't live near. He bought the splitter from a factory that was in another state. Don't cuss at people because you have a different idea, when you haven't even begun to think yours through.
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 03:30:24 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Anotherone
[ - ] Anotherone -1 points 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 01:00:59 ago (+0/-1)
You don't want to be part of society do ya? Is it because you are a kike? One of them fellow white people some talk about here?
You seem to want to just NOT grasp the power of community because you gotta insult someone? You just have to black pill anything but the way we been doing that doesn't work, hasn't worked really.
As for what you did before 15, I don't care, why bring that up? You wanna be tougher than a 15yo? My son doesn't have to do it, nor has he ever had to do it.
He focuses on shit he wants to do, things like learning hydraulics to rehose a bobcat another guy down the street has, spends time teaching people about agriculture he learned from a farmer we used to live by for the community garden.
See we make friends, people that stop for a glass of tea because they know I always have some. My son learns how to work with the people in the world we leave his generation.
That really didn't turn out to be the flex you thought it would.....did it?
Maybe just maybe you should realize that world isn't against you, I been doing shit my way for the past 5y. Life is great here, no animosity, no dick measures with teenagers on how much of a badass we assumed we were.
[ + ] allAheadFull
[ - ] allAheadFull [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 02:02:16 ago (+1/-0)
You brought up giving the 15 year old getting a chainsaw. You're asking me why I responded to it? I'm questioning responding to you at all since you're obviously retarded. Since you lack reading skills, I responded to the chainsaw comment to illustrate the point about chainsaws and splitters not existing under your favor system. Try reading it again when you're not drinking.
How are you going to build something like a Bobcat that uses resources from all over the country and planet in a favor based system? Tell him he's wasting his time learning hydraulics (replacing hoses and adding fluid isn't "learning hydraulics" BTW) because when you implement your favor based system he'll be too busy trying to trade raspberries for handmade cloth before winter to bother with the Bobcat.
No, jews have community, something most White people lack. If we were as tight as them we might not have been infiltrated to this level. Still, we can't live like anything approaching the Amish because we'll just get overrun.
I didn't initially insult you, you're projecting, probably the same as with your calling me a jew. If you think I'm a jew look through my post history
You can spend you time arguing about the "power of community" in between the time when jews burn your houses down with a laser from orbit and send in a drone swarm to finish you off. .
You're ignoring the fact that we need to maintain a high level of civilization, which is defined by a high level of interaction between individuals, just to keep other countries from invading.
You seem like you're here to fight no matter what. Maybe I should just curse at you, I'm not sure you're worth arguing with.
[ + ] Anotherone
[ - ] Anotherone -1 points 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 02:26:20 ago (+0/-1)
Have you seen Amish? Observed their conditions of community lately? They are fucked...adopting niggers to work crops in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
They are inbred as fuck now. Till them niggers start fucking the non hills have eyes cast members. I don't think you honestly grasp what the world is around you.
You have relied on what others will tell you what is because you gotten lazy, also I asked if you were a jew, didn't say you was.
Which you didn't answer either. I will let you assume what my son does is up for your approval. You seem to covet that amount of control over complete strangers affairs.
For the chainsaw I gave you and explanation and you can see that various means of reconditioned items will work with spare parts. You can get that community can have Co ops that will pool everyone resources together to barter for the items they need?
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie 1 point 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 03:28:26 ago (+1/-0)