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Day the reminder. The Earth is flat. This is how the horizon works. Nobody can ever prove me wrong.

submitted by McNasty to whatever 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:20:49 ago (+3/-8)     (whatever)

Here's a picture of the entire city of Chicago from the Michigan shoreline.

https://files.catbox.moe/o3hnot.jpg

Here's an abc57 article talking about the picture.

https://www.abc57.com/news/mirage-of-chicago-skyline-seen-from-michigan-shoreline

From the article:

A picture of the Chicago skyline taken almost 60 miles away, is actually a mirage. This is a form of Superior Mirage, superior in this meaning the mirage or image of the skyline is seen above where it's actually located.

The article has to claim this because from where the picture was taken, there should be over 2,000 feet of obstruction caused by the supposed curvature of the earth, but yet we see the entire city of Chicago which has its tallest building, the Willis Tower, standing at 1,729 feet tall.

Every single time I see an image that shows an object that should be hidden beneath a supposed physical horizon caused by the supposed curvature of the globular Earth, I'm told it's a "mirage" or that it's "refraction." So they claim that curvature still exists but the lack thereof is only an illusion. I'm going to address this fallacy and prove that mirages and refraction do not create such an illusion.

Let's start with mirages.

The claim in the article is that a "superior mirage" is what's causing the illusion. What's a mirage? It's a reflection. A reflection is the act of light reflecting back. Reflections cause inversion.

Here's an example of a "superior mirage."

https://files.catbox.moe/huri1b.jpg

Notice the inverted image of the ship above its true position. The ship is reflecting off the atmosphere above it.

Here's an example of an "inferior mirage."

https://files.catbox.moe/eeg4ad.jpg

Notice the inverted image of the ship below its true position. The ship is reflecting off the surface below it.

The differences between "superior" and "inferior" are simply the position of the mirage.

Is the article suggesting that the mirage is somehow a projected image above the object's true location and without inversion? Maybe they meant to say "Fata Morgana," a "complex" form of superior mirage visible in a narrow band right above the horizon.

So it's "complex." What makes it so complex? Basically, the only thing complex about it is that it's actually not a mirage at all but a misinterpretation of what is called a "false horizon."

Here's an example of a "false horizon."

https://files.catbox.moe/9az794.jpg

Notice the image on the left. It appears to be a ship floating in mid-air. If we were to change the color temperature in the photo, like we see in the image on the right, we can see that it's actually not floating in mid-air but is floating on a section of water that is experiencing a mirage effect. It's caused by a change in the refractive index due to the high temperature near the water and the lower temperature above it. Remember, mirages are reflections. It is reflecting the sky above it, giving the illusion that it itself is part of the sky. So technically, it's just an "inferior mirage" of the sky. Notice where the mirage ends. It's creating a "false horizon." This type of inferior mirage can also be seen on solid surfaces.

Here's an example of an asphalt road experiencing the same type of inferior mirage.

https://files.catbox.moe/o4ctaa.jpeg

The reality is, there is no such thing as a mirage that can be seen as a non-inverted image projecting above an object's true position. The only examples that exist are provably misinterpreted false horizons.

Now that we've established that the Chicago photo isn't caused by a "mirage," let us take a look at the possibility that refraction's causing the illusion.

Refraction's the process by which light shifts its path as it travels through a material, causing the light to bend. That's what refraction is, but most people misunderstand the effect of refraction.

Here's an example of refraction.

https://files.catbox.moe/e9ehww.jpg

Notice you are viewing the pencil as it exists in two different mediums. From your position you see that above the water, the pencil is surrounded by air as you'd normally see it. As it enters The denser medium water, which acts as a lens that bends light, you see that it magnifies the pencil. A lens has limitations though. When an object is magnified within a lens, the entire image is expanded from the center of the lens outward, cutting off the edges that no longer fit in the lens. Since the pencil isn't directly in the center of the image being magnified, it expands outward, giving the illusion of a broken pencil. Also notice that you cannot see the eraser anymore because the bottom of the image is also cut off when it is magnified.

Here's another example that shows what a pencil would do in 3 different positions.

https://files.catbox.moe/yzyz9b.jpg

Notice the image on the far left. The pencil is positioned in the center of the glass. The lens magnifies the image from the center outward. Since the pencil is in the center, it remains in its horizontal position but magnifies, only cutting off the top and bottom slightly. Now notice the image on the far right. The pencil's placed close to the left edge of the lens. Since the lens is magnifying the image from the center of the lens outward, part of the pencil is cut off due to the limitation of the lens not being able to fit the entire image that's now being magnified.

Now that we understand what both reflection and refraction is, and the actual effects they create, let me give you an example of refraction occurring naturally in the atmosphere.

https://youtu.be/Y0bQm8sJwd4

This is called the "Shrinking Mill" because of the refraction that occurs regularly in this area. Notice the object being refracted is magnified at a distance, then reduces in size as it's approached. This effect is no different than holding a magnifying glass out from your face and bringing it closer. You'll notice the closer the magnifying glass is to your face, objects will appear smaller, allowing more of the object to fit inside the lens.

Here's a video of an experiment anyone can do debunking the globohomo claim that the atmosphere isn't magnifying things.

https://youtu.be/YG40kkbh734

Here are some practical experiments that can show you the results we see in our observable reality.

https://youtu.be/UFP4HQQoejs

Here's an example of how refraction would actually prevent you from seeing objects at great distances.

https://youtu.be/s-PhStb6mTQ

Notice how objects at the bottom of the lens disappear as it magnifies. This is because our apparent horizon acts as the bottom of the lens as it's at the bottom of the medium creating the magnification effect.

This is how refraction works. It doesn't magically project an image of an object above its true position. Not only is it nonsense to say it's refraction that allows one to see an object beyond a supposed physical horizon caused by supposed curvature, it's asinine because refraction would actually do the opposite and hide an image you actually could see if it wasn't being magnified by refraction.

Being able to see the entire city of Chicago from the shoreline of Michigan is due to the atmospheric conditions creating a LACK OF REFRACTION and it's NOT producing a magnifying effect, allowing the bottom of the lens to be viewed as normal. Like taking the water that's causing refraction out of the glass, allowing you to see the pencil as it truly is.

If we were to view a picture of Chicago from the shoreline of Michigan on a different day with different atmospheric conditions, we will get different results. Like the following.

https://files.catbox.moe/f1g8jb.jpeg

Conclusion: There is no curvature to the earth and any claim that a mirage or refraction can bend light in such a way as to project an image above an object's true position making a globe Earth appear flat is just false. It simply does not work that way and not a single bit of evidence exists that would suggest otherwise.


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[ - ] DukeofRaul 4 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:21:15 ago (+4/-0)

Maybe hes right dammit!

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:31:23 ago (+1/-3)

I'm right that you cannot prove me wrong. Not today at least. Maybe tomorrow.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 3 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:39:51 ago (+3/-0)

What would musashi say?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:51:29 ago (+1/-2)

Don't know. Don't care.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 3 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:00:36 ago (+3/-0)

Ok then

[ - ] DukeofRaul 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:06:10 ago (+2/-0)

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:07:25 ago (+0/-2)

I don't understand. Are you promoting video games in the comments section?

[ - ] DukeofRaul 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:13:34 ago (+2/-0)

Yup

[ - ] DukeofRaul 1 point 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:12:10 ago (+1/-0)

Yea

[ - ] DukeofRaul 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:04:18 ago (+1/-1)

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:05:31 ago (+0/-2)

I don't watch cartoons.

[ - ] con77 4 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:28:14 ago (+4/-0)

Take your fucking meds!

[ - ] CaptainMongo 3 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:10:33 ago (+3/-0)

Arguing with a Flat Earther is like wrastlin' with a pig in mud...

After awhile you realize they enjoy it.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:13:17 ago (+0/-1)

So when you're wrestling with the pigs you can never prove anything to them either?

[ - ] observation1 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 02:16:40 ago (+2/-0)

And an Oink oink here and an oink oink there.

You're the pig

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 02:23:34 ago (+0/-1)

A pig you can't prove wrong.

[ - ] observation1 1 point 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 02:32:53 ago (+1/-0)

Oinking noises intensifies

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 02:33:35 ago (+0/-2)

Yep. More oinking and less proving me wrong.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 02:23:47 ago (+0/-1)

A pig you can't prove wrong.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:29:25 ago (+0/-0)

no, its that fucking retarded you dont need to. just like flerfs.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:36:29 ago (+0/-0)

It's funny how much you faggots cry about the flat Earth but can never prove it wrong.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:28:40 ago (+1/-2)

Is it very triggering when you can't prove me wrong?

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:30:02 ago (+0/-0)

Is it very triggering that we dont need to? The world still works without wasting oxygen on things you pretend arent real.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:37:36 ago (+0/-0)

The world still works without wasting oxygen on things you pretend arent real.

Like that time NASA put a man on the moon, and better, when Elon musk put a Tesla in space. And you know it's real because it looks so fake. Lol.

[ - ] con77 3 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:27:36 ago (+3/-0)

And there's a giant turtle holding it up

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:33:09 ago (+2/-0)

Ribbit! Ribbit!

[ - ] McNasty [op] -3 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:09:14 ago (+0/-3)

It's more like crickets in here trying to ask you guys to prove something.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:47:14 ago (+2/-0)

The interdemensional turtle

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:15:15 ago (+0/-2)

How many years away do you think we are from colonizing Mars? I'm alao wondering why we skipped over the moon but maybe it's a color thing. Reds more appealing than gray.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:18:46 ago (+2/-0)

Ypu have to slingshot to mars in october

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:28:23 ago (+1/-2)

No. But can you objectively disprove my claim about how the horizon works?

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 3 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:41:00 ago (+3/-0)

The Moon is upside down in Australia ffs. We also cannot see the North Star from there.

Flatties are not about science or testing or critical thinking. It’s about being accepted into a group of people who all failed Science class and want to feel like they understand something that the teachers didn’t. It’s a tribe, not a process. Just like becoming part of owen benjewin's cult.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:45:07 ago (+1/-3)

The post is about the horizon retard. Stay on topic.

Typically when you try to wake somebody up about the Holocaust they can never stay on topic. You're trying to tell them that the chimney isn't attached, and they have to interrupt you and ask "what about the this, what about the that." If you would like to make a post talking about whatever retarded shit you're claiming, Go for it. I'll even stop in and tell you how retarded you are and prove it to you with links and all.

So I will ask you again, can you prove my claim about the horizon wrong?

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:30:57 ago (+0/-0)

your post is trying to prove the horizon on a flat earth, retard. Stay on the topic you chose.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:39:16 ago (+0/-0)

your post is trying to prove the horizon on a flat earth, retard. Stay on the topic you chose.

No. I clearly claim that it is not possible for mirages and refraction to create the illusion that globe faggots claim. I then provided a bunch of evidence that proves my claim. I then provided experiments that can reproduce the effects that we observe in reality. I win.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:25:54 ago (+3/-1)

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[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:30:44 ago (+1/-3)

But upvoting yourself with alt accounts is cute.

Lol. I have a 3-year-old account that has been in the negative for 3 years because I don't make shit posts. I only make posts that are challenging people. You think I have an alt account to give me an extra up-goat? Now that's cute.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:32:47 ago (+0/-0)

and then there are a fuckload of sockpuppet accounts.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:40:05 ago (+0/-0)

There's also a fuck load of retarded shills that just make baseless claims all day.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:47:51 ago (+2/-0)

"Day the reminder"? What the fuck does that mean? Did you mean to type "Daily reminder" but you're too stupid or careless to proofread your own work?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:50:30 ago (+0/-1)

It means you're a retard that can't get past somebody making a quick post using voice to text.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:56:54 ago (+2/-0)

You posted it without proofreading it. That means you're a retard that can't check his own work. When you do shit like this, do you think it helps your credibility?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:03:21 ago (+1/-2)

That means you're a retard that can't check his own work.

So you're going to get hung up on that? I should have known. Anytime I ask somebody to prove me wrong when it comes to the flat Earth, they will choose anything to deflect from the actual subject. It was a low-hanging fruit. Of course you would take it.

[ - ] bosunmoon 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:51:56 ago (+2/-0)

Am I wrong or does your entire argument hinge on the existence of a firmament?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:57:46 ago (+1/-2)

does your entire argument hinge on the existence of a firmament?

Firmament by definition is

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firmament

the vault or arch of the sky

You nor I have the ability to ever verify what the firmament is. I can say that it is objectively impossible for the pressurized atmosphere of Earth to exist next to a near perfect vacuum of space without some kind of physical barrier in between.

If I were to speculate on what the firmament is, we know that water is diomagnetic. This means that it is repelled buy magnets. Hydrogen at extreme cold temperatures will liquefy. I believe our magnetic Taurus is repelling liquid hydrogen. We live in a bubble.

That is my speculation. I cannot prove that. I can just prove that what the globohomos claim is objectively impossible.

Edit: and my entire argument does not hinge on a firmament. My entire argument hinges on practical experiments that anyone can do themselves so that they could verify and not have to rely on some jewish institution that would also tell them the Holocaust was real.

[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:08:11 ago (+2/-0)

(1) That isn't the entire skyline. The buildings sit on roads with trees in them. You can see the tops of the buildings at pretty much the height the math would predict if the conditions are correct, like with temperature inversions.

(2) Why is it you require certain conditions for these observations, and you can't make them year round?

(3) If you want to prove flat earth using a horizon-based technique, a dispositive proof is available for anyone to attempt. Use a camera to zoom in on the horizon and bring a celestial object (like a star) back into view through zooming after it has dipped beneath the horizon. You can't do it. Why? Because light isn't reflecting from that object in the same way that it does with ships and distant buildings on earth's surface. Stars that go beneath the horizon are optically obscured by earth's curvature. If the earth is flat, that shouldn't be the case.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:11:53 ago (+0/-2)

That isn't the entire skyline. The buildings sit on roads with trees in them.

No. The example I gave up top was Chicago. There is a flat and level lake in between Michigan and Chicago with no trees.


Why is it you require certain conditions for these observations, and you can't make them year round?

The conditions are humidity. We do have it all year round. If you look on your weather app, It's "visibility." The amount of moisture in the air will determine how far we can see.

If you want to prove flat earth using a horizon-based technique

I've done it already with this post. There are experiments that you can recreate the same exact phenomenon. It is repeatable verifiable evidence. Something the globe model lacks in abundance.

[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:18:55 ago (+2/-0)*

No. The example I gave up top was Chicago. There is a flat and level lake in between Michigan and Chicago with no trees.

You're missing my point. You should be able to see more of the skyline than this. Why are the buildings cut off in terms of their height?

The conditions are humidity. We do have it all year round. If you look on your weather app, It's "visibility." The amount of moisture in the air will determine how far we can see.

Can you show me a picture in the winter that approximates the picture you provided? It isn't just about humidity, but also temperature. I am asking this question honestly. Do you have evidence of photos like this taken in winter?

I've done it already with this post.

But you haven't. The heights at which the buildings get cut off, plus the dependence for these photographs on temperature and humidity conditions suggests that the phenomena are related to the behavior of light in relation to a curved surface with temperature-graded atmosphere, not due to direct visiblity across a flat lake.

In addition, good theories cause us to predict certain observations. If flat earth is correct, you should be able to bring stars back with zoom once they've dipped beneath the horizon. Why has this observation never been made in the entire history of flat earth? Because it can't be done. If there is any controversy about the other forms of horizon-based experiments, like there is controversy surrounding these photos across Lake Michigan, then the obvious method for flat-earthers would be to simply do the 'bring them back' experiments using zoom on celestial objects. It would be proof of flat earth. The absence of these results is good evidence against flat earth.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:24:07 ago (+0/-2)

Why are the buildings cut off in terms of their height?

Do the math. If the tallest building in Chicago is the Willis Tower that stands a little over 1,700 ft a 60 mile distance with dictate 2,000 ft of obstruction.

You should not see Chicago at all.

Can you show me a picture in the winter that approximates the picture

I already provided an example of everything. Maybe an experiment you can do. I told you the variables that affect visibility. I'm not going to keep doing that over and over and over again. It is an objective fact that humidity will cause the exact effect that we observe in reality. I proved it with a verifiable and repeatable experiment. Deal with it.

But you haven't.

Yes I have. I've explained how refraction works and I've explained how mirages work. These are the claims that globe Earth makes when I try to make excuses for why we can see Chicago from 60 miles away. Can you disprove my claims about mirages and refraction? If not then I win my case.

[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:30:33 ago (+1/-0)

Instead of thinking about proof, think in terms of theory comparison. Theory A makes certain predictions. Theory B makes certain predictions.

You say that globular earth theory (GE) predicts we shouldn't see the Chicago skyline at all. But we do. You say that's proof of flat earth (FE) because all of the auxiliary hypotheses of GE (like refraction and mirage) aren't sufficient to explain the skyline's visibility across the lake. Mirages fail. Refraction fails.

Okay, but GE as a theory includes certain predictions. It says that with the right atmsopheric conditions of temp and humidity, you can see the Chciago skyline across the lake. It also says that, no matter what, if a star has gone beneath the horizon, no amount of camera zoom could ever bring it back.

So, in terms of mirages and refraction as favoring GE or FE, it's controversial. Again, I'm suggesting that the dependence of these photographs on the right temps (no pics from winter that are ilke this) favors GE.

But the more important point I'm getting at is: FE could end GE forever if it just made the observation of zooming in on stars to bring them back into view once they've dipped below the horizon. That's all that needs to be done. And this is very obvious. So, the absence of this evidence is evidence in favor of GE.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:39:51 ago (+0/-2)

Instead of thinking about proof, think in terms of theory comparison.

Nope. I do not play jewish metaphysic mind games. I subscribe more to the white genius nicollet Tesla's version of reality. That it is objective.

Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. - Nicola Tesla-

[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:46:23 ago (+0/-0)

Alright, it's obvious you aren't going to engage with me on that front. I want to ask you a question. I ask this of all people that seem pretty zealous about the flat earth stuff. What's the angle -- or the motivaton, if you'd rather, for the Jews to convince you the earth is round when it is actually flat? Mind you, flat-earthers never seem overly concerned about the possible sphericity of other celestial objects, just the earth. What are you being cut off from in believing the earth is a globe?

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 1 point 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:31:34 ago (+1/-0)

its a flat earther. you just gave them what they want. so am i today but im bored and tired. i actually work for a living.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:20:10 ago (+0/-2)

the height the math would predict

No. The Willis Tower is the tallest building in Chicago at a little over 1,700 ft tall. At 60 miles away there should be 2,000 feet of obstruction. You shouldn't see Chicago at all.

Why is it you require certain conditions for these observations, and you can't make them year round?

The conditions are humidity and humidity varies. From day to day. We call it visibility in the weather app. I already gave an example with the first picture of Chicago being the entire city and the second picture of Chicago with the bottom half obstructed by the horizon.

Why would you spam this response?

[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:22:32 ago (+2/-0)

I haven't spammed anything.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:24:49 ago (+0/-2)

It might have been a double post. Voat does that sometimes.

[ - ] scoopadoop 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:46:40 ago (+2/-0)

but if the world was flat you would be able to see California in the distance behind Chicago

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:48:32 ago (+0/-1)

but if the world was flat you would be able to see California in the distance behind Chicago

Obviously you're a retard that didn't even read anything in the post, but I'll address it again.

There would be more distance between California and Michigan. This means that there is inevitably more water in between the observer and California. This will inevitably mean that more of California will be cut off from the bottom up due to refraction. You will not see California because it will be too refracted to reach your eyes.

If you think that you can just see forever for some reason, I have to ask why we can't see satellites or the ISS.

[ - ] boekanier 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 01:06:27 ago (+2/-0)

a psychiatrist could prove you wrong

[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 01:07:00 ago (+0/-2)

Get them in here. The sooner you get them in here the sooner I'll stop making these kind of posts. I'd love to fuck with a shrinks head.

[ - ] Cantaloupe 1 point 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:49:20 ago (+2/-1)

That proves the Earth is a cube

go for a walk, very far, north or south of where you live and observe the stars and the moon every night. What's the simplest explanation of why the stars all appear fixed with respect to each other, but that Polaris gets higher in the sky as one moves north, lower as one moves south.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:50:10 ago (+1/-2)

That proves the Earth is a cube

How so?

[ - ] Cantaloupe 2 points 10 monthsJul 21, 2024 23:52:43 ago (+3/-1)

Prove it isn't one, oh you cannot?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:05:11 ago (+1/-2)

I didn't say it wasn't. I was asking what evidence you came across to make you believe such a thing.

[ - ] observation1 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:53:20 ago (+2/-0)

Ah, you must be jew then

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 00:54:14 ago (+0/-1)

hey, that guy ask me to prove my claim. He must be a jew.

[ - ] observation1 2 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 01:12:16 ago (+2/-0)

That's your logic, Einstein.

[ - ] Cantaloupe 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 15:13:03 ago (+0/-0)

The evidence shown about is the proof, we have done are part to lay out or case. It's up to you to come up with the evidence to support your claims

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 15:15:29 ago (+0/-0)

To each their own I guess.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:28:57 ago (+0/-0)

dont need to 'prove you wrong'

youre the one making the claim.

onus is on you, and you keep failing.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 22, 2024 03:33:40 ago (+0/-0)

dont need to 'prove you wrong' youre the one making the claim.

Correct. I claimed that mirages and refraction do not create the illusion that globe earthers claim. I then provided evidence to support my claim that explains how refraction and all mirage's work. I even explained some misinterpretations when talking about false horizons. I've included evidence with every claim I made.

Then I provided evidence for the flat Earth by giving experiments that can reproduce the effect we observe in reality.

This is pretty cut and dry. I made a claim and then proved it. Now if you were going to make a claim that I am wrong, you would have to prove it.