The Old Testament god and it's jews was precisely what Jesus was fighting.
no
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
the father of jesus is the same one of the old testament. you got it wrong. the jews deviated themselves from God when they adopted the kabbalah and talmud wizardry and it was because of that that they couldnt accept jesus from who he was since even isiah the prophet foresaw his crucifixion
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
this prophecy predates 600-700 hundred years before christ. it was followed to a tee and you guys dont believe you r as bad as the jews
to this day the rabbis forbid the jews to read isiah 53
the father and jesus are different persons that share one essence and the same with the holy spirit. we dont have 3 modality of God. no, this modalism or Sabellianism, which is a doctrine brought up by bishop sabellius way back in the third century
what Defines Modalism? Like Christians, adherents to modalism believe that God is one in essence. However, modalists differ in how they view God’s personality. Christians believe God is three separate, eternal Persons with unique roles. Modalists believe God is one entity who changes modes as He sees fit. Hence, He was God the Father in the Old Testament, shifted into God the Son (Jesus Christ) in the New Testament, and now operates as the Holy Spirit. It logically follows that no divine mode can be eternal or distinct.
Who Originated Modalism? Modalism originated from Sabellius, a possible Roman presbyter. Modalism stemmed from the heresy known as modalistic monarchianism. Not much is known about Sabellius besides information in rebuttals by his theological rival, Hippolytus. Sabellius viewed God’s complete unity as most important, causing him to exclude the nature of the Trinity (three Persons in one Godhead). As a result, he taught that God was a monad (single unit) instead of a triad (three units). Sabellius was condemned and excommunicated by Pope Calixtus in 220 AD.
The followers of Sabellius began to teach that God operated in different expressions: the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in sanctification. Because they were concerned for God’s complete unity, the modalists denied God had permanent distinctions or persons. They believed that modalism avoided the heresy of tritheism (a form of polytheism stating a belief in three gods) while remaining true to Scripture. In the third century, Rome was split between the monarchians and the trinitarians.
What Are the Problems with Modalism?
There are several problems with modalism in light of Scripture. First, modalism directly contradicts the Bible in several places. In Genesis 1:1-2, God and the Spirit of God are said to be present in the beginning. They are referred to as two distinct individuals, so how could this passage make sense in a modalistic worldview? In John 1:1-3, the Word was both God and with God at the beginning of creation. The Word is also said to have made all things through His power. If modalism were true, how could God be Himself and the Word of God simultaneously? How could this passage correlate with Genesis 1 apart from a trinitarian worldview?
Second, the concept of God becomes more confusing, not less, within modalism. This view doesn’t explain who God ultimately is. If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are “masks” that God wears, then who is He truly?
Thirdly, God would be a liar if modalism were true. Scripture is clear that God’s nature cannot change form. For example, Hebrews 13:8 says, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” In Malachi 3:6, God states, “I the LORD do not change.” James 1:17 says, “the Father of the heavenly lights… does not change like shifting shadows.”
Who Are Some Modern Followers of Modalism?
Although the term modalism has gone out of style, its core teachings have not. For example, the United Pentecostals believe in a modern modalistic view called Oneness. The Pentecostal Oneness (or “Jesus Only”) movement started in the early 1900s when some Assemblies of God members believed that water baptism should only be in the name of Jesus.
David K. Bernard, General Superintendent of United Pentecostal Church International, teaches essentially modalistic doctrines. On page 141 of his book The Oneness of God, he says that the Holy Spirit isn’t distinct from the Father:
“The Holy Spirit is not a distinct person from the Father any more than a man and his spirit are distinct persons. ‘Holy Spirit’ just describes what God is. I John 5:7 says that three bear record in heaven; that is, God has recorded Himself in three modes of activity or has revealed Himself in three ways. He has at least three heavenly roles: Father, Word (not Son), and Holy Ghost. Furthermore, these three roles describe one God: ‘these three are one.’”
On page 318, Bernard asserts that oneness is a synonym for modalism: “Basically, modalism upholds the same essentials as the modern doctrine of Oneness.”
What Are Some Heresies Similar to Modalism?
Modalism isn’t the only heresy to misunderstand the Trinity. Arianism, subordinationism, docetism, and adoptionism are all failed attempts to understand and simplify God’s complex nature.
Arianism, or the belief that Jesus was created by God the Father, was proposed in the 4th century AD by the Alexandrian elder Arius. Traditional arianism affirms that Jesus was created as the first act of creation. As such, arians do not believe that Jesus has the same substance or nature as the Father but is instead a finite, created being. This doctrine contradicts Hebrews 1:3, which states, “the Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.”
Subordinationism is a heresy that states Christ and the Holy Spirit are subordinate to the Father in both relationship and substance. Although this view upholds the Trinity, it denies equal Godhood for all Persons within the Trinity. During the fourth century AD, theologians such as Origen and Tertullian struggled to reconcile Christ’s human and divine natures. This conflict led to Subordinationism and eventually to arianism and modalism.
However, these heresies should not be confused with the Nicene Creed. This creed is one of early Christianity’s most accepted belief statements and affirms trinitarian doctrine. Traditional Nicene subordination views the Son as subordinate in His function within the Godhead but not subordinate in His divine nature.
Docetism is the heresy that Jesus gave the illusion of a human form but was a fully divine, phantom-like being. Many problems arise with this doctrine. The primary issue is that docetism invalidates Christ’s death and resurrection. Without a physical body, He could not have saved the world from sin and given His amazing grace. As such, this heresy contradicts Scripture. In John 20:27, for instance, Jesus tells Thomas to touch His wounds as proof of His bodily suffering, death, and resurrection.
Adoptionism is the belief that God the Father “adopted” Jesus to be His Son when He saw that the human Jesus led a sinless life. In short, God made Christ a deity. Adoptionism claims that Jesus achieved Godhood after passing the devil’s temptations in the wilderness. As with other heresies, Scripture refutes adoptionism. John 1 clearly states that Jesus is God; Isaiah 40:28 says that God is eternal; and 1 Timothy 2:5 affirms that Christ Jesus, the Godman, is the sole Mediator between God and humanity.
Every heresy falls short in the light of Scripture. Modalism is no different. As believers, we should be comforted knowing God guides us into all truth when we seek Him in His Word. May we continue to grow and develop in our Christian walk, being free from the spirit of error. Amen!
he's more than a prophet he's the son of God,the messiah the son of man, God IN the flesh. he holds all the offices that God gave to men. king, priest and savior
i cant make you believe the bible. that's up to you being receptive to the word via the holy spirit without conviction there's no true conversion.
Yahweh is satan if you interpret it that way. satan is a jewish invention. judaism started out as a small communist tribe with good intentions. They struggled with the inconsistencies of paganism. So they claim their mountain God of fire Yahweh was the one and only true God. They incorporated what they believe to be morally righteous philosophies and ideas that they recognized in all the pagan cultures. Such as no killing, no stealing, and so on. As a small communist tribe, they were most likely decent people with good intentions. The problem with communism is when the ruler has no connection to the most unfortunate. Communism works great within a nuclear family. The man of the house has the say and everybody trust that he has the best intentions for everyone in the family. Everyone does what they can to contribute to the family. This is a happy healthy family. If the father doesn't know the children, Even worse, hates the children he doesn't know, this is communism as we know it today. It's terrible and it will never work for a country. Maybe an Amish farm but not a country.
Eventually, the jewish tribe expanded. It became too big for communism to work. It was inevitably hijacked. We know nothing about the people that actually created judaism. We only know of the people that stole it.
This is not an endorsement of national communism, but the idea of a commune is great if it's voluntary and you can opt out whenever you want.
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The word apocalypse means revelation. Like an epiphany or getting it.
It's gotten by reading one of the little books of either Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. No preacher holds that.
Most people sitting in churches can't possibly have done that or they wouldn't be there.
Morons who think muslim is a spiritual religion have never, ever read the hadiths, and a lot of muslims haven't either.
Academics are literally off the rails crazy for believing their voice could ever be more important than the words of God to five billion people.
THey should all be sent to the far north to farm snow because they're dangerous narcisisits
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no
the father of jesus is the same one of the old testament. you got it wrong. the jews deviated themselves from God when they adopted the kabbalah and talmud wizardry and it was because of that that they couldnt accept jesus from who he was since even isiah the prophet foresaw his crucifixion
4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
this prophecy predates 600-700 hundred years before christ. it was followed to a tee and you guys dont believe you r as bad as the jews
to this day the rabbis forbid the jews to read isiah 53
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It's important not to mistake Jesus as the son of God. He is Father, the Son and the Holy spirit. THere is room for no other. Period
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the father and jesus are different persons that share one essence and the same with the holy spirit.
we dont have 3 modality of God. no, this modalism or Sabellianism, which is a doctrine brought up by bishop sabellius way back in the third century
Like Christians, adherents to modalism believe that God is one in essence. However, modalists differ in how they view God’s personality. Christians believe God is three separate, eternal Persons with unique roles. Modalists believe God is one entity who changes modes as He sees fit. Hence, He was God the Father in the Old Testament, shifted into God the Son (Jesus Christ) in the New Testament, and now operates as the Holy Spirit. It logically follows that no divine mode can be eternal or distinct.
Modalism originated from Sabellius, a possible Roman presbyter. Modalism stemmed from the heresy known as modalistic monarchianism. Not much is known about Sabellius besides information in rebuttals by his theological rival, Hippolytus. Sabellius viewed God’s complete unity as most important, causing him to exclude the nature of the Trinity (three Persons in one Godhead). As a result, he taught that God was a monad (single unit) instead of a triad (three units). Sabellius was condemned and excommunicated by Pope Calixtus in 220 AD.
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-heresy-modalism.html
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i cant make you believe the bible. that's up to you being receptive to the word via the holy spirit without conviction there's no true conversion.
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Your give away is here. Go away and stop pretending.
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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18
Shit-fer brains just like @GreatSatan.
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Eventually, the jewish tribe expanded. It became too big for communism to work. It was inevitably hijacked. We know nothing about the people that actually created judaism. We only know of the people that stole it.
This is not an endorsement of national communism, but the idea of a commune is great if it's voluntary and you can opt out whenever you want.