[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:06:32 ago (+1/-0)
MX is much more polished debian, but with sysv-init and something called "systemd-shim" that "fakes" systemd. It's faster than systemd systems. I think there is a boot disk floating around with all the inits (s6-66, runit, sysv, and one other).
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:10:44 ago (+1/-0)*
Similar infection has infiltrated the glib applications and many attack vectors require glibc (GNU C Libraries) if not systemd. There are some alternatives of glib that just rip (such as musl), but you can't use nvidia is the only major issue (nvidia requires glib for their driver blob). Even worse, infiltration is happening on the wayland front. Check this out:
I'm using a musl distribution on intel and amd gpus and it's crazy tight. Not only did the last two issues (xz, or ssh), which were from the same place but had attack vectors through both systemd and glib, not even have any effect but still updates were already available (just as a matter of course by adding the patch) before I read about the issue on slashdot (a late morning for me). Alpine and Void are examples of such distributions but note that both ecosystems allow the creep of other sytemd parts such as elogind among others. You can guard from such applications with a little tinkering ... of which the "solution" to avoid such tinkering is how these attack vectors opened up. Then, they bring this mega-complicated "business solution" and try to shoehorn it on the desktops because it's current.
Desktop OS Linux distributions didn't need all that corporate spyware but IBM and others funded the direction of linux almost from the beginning. Others are on to it as well, check this out for example:
I agree with some things you say and disagree with other things you say here. Some of the things you say is subjective nitpicking. But you have some good suggestions.
Gimp should be installed by default OBS should not be
Sublime is very well known, useful for programmers or people who work on databases who want a simple notepad which can handle more data than a few megabytes. It's a nice lighter alternative to using a full blown IDE.
My dad is old and losing his marbles. I recently installed mint over windows 10 on his outdated laptop and it was a seamless transition. He instinctively knows how to use it and it runs great. They are doing something right.
My old man is using zorin linux. He still thinks it's win95 and I haven't needed to touch it in years. I chose it strictly for how it looks when compared to windows.
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:16:05 ago (+1/-0)
OBS should not be
I agree, that's pretty specialty for an install disk. However, I think he did make an argument that it at least wasn't "OSB Ready".
My dad is old and losing his marbles. I recently installed mint over windows 10 on his outdated laptop
I love hearing stories like this. It's amazing how little most people nowadays care about what's going on under the hood. If the web browser works, and they have a way to do their email an whatnot, you can put almost any "friendly" linux install and it's seemless. It seems the new interfaces on windows and OSX are not so intuitive to the older crowd. The old 2000 era desktops are what people are used to.
[ - ] Monica 1 point 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:43:18 ago (+1/-0)*
The devs probably are taking money from someone.
Where you talk about the apps:
Sublime is a coding program. You can write code in a bunch of different languages using it and it's not too bloated (at least when I used it a few years back).
I used Filezilla for ftp when managing web servers.
Calibre is a document reader.. pdf, comic books, ebooks, etc...
I use or used all of those at one point. I'd vote for those to stay. I never heard of cheese...
I'm installing linux in a few days. I'm not going to bother with trying Mint again.
I wonder if clem is jew. Sounds very jewy with those copy/paste responses he gave you.
[ - ] rhy [op] 1 point 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:48:54 ago (+1/-0)
Oh I use fileZilla all the time, but it shouldn't be one of the main apps in a consumer level operating system. And besides I'm a dinosaur, which is why I still use FTP. Lol
I saw your video. I had a similar experience. If you want that kind of experience on steriods, head on over to the debian irc channels. RTFM is the nicest response you'd get back in the 200x's. This is what gave rise to Gentoo (by Daniel Robbins, who now works at microsoft) and Arch linux.
The experience from linux-mint in the 201x's was a "better ubuntu" and they did a great job on cinnomon if you like the windows type of interface (and hate the new gnome). I ran out of love for it all by 2018 or so because of driver issues (due to the ubuntu repos). A group had a bootable debian based ISO that had more driver support and it all worked out of the box. That was MX-17 (MX Linux, 2017 release). I still do installs weekly of the new MX-23 (based on the latest debian). I suspect if you check them out you'll find the experience you're looking for. I've interacted with a few of the devs and they're all basically gen-x aged conservative types. Also, very helpful.
I don't use MX on my own system though ... but if others who haven't used linux before want a computer refresh, it's the go-to for me.
I think they probably dislike a big bug list instead of them separated into separate issue reports.
But yeah, systemd is retarded. I don't know how they going 99% of distros to go along with what at most 60% of linux users support (at that 60% being ones that just agree with [insert correct opinion]).
[ + ] Sheitstrom
[ - ] Sheitstrom 2 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 12:25:22 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 2 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 13:11:09 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 2 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 17:26:20 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 3 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 20:51:01 ago (+3/-0)
https://nosystemd.org/
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:06:32 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:10:44 ago (+1/-0)*
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2024/03/10/380/
I'm using a musl distribution on intel and amd gpus and it's crazy tight. Not only did the last two issues (xz, or ssh), which were from the same place but had attack vectors through both systemd and glib, not even have any effect but still updates were already available (just as a matter of course by adding the patch) before I read about the issue on slashdot (a late morning for me). Alpine and Void are examples of such distributions but note that both ecosystems allow the creep of other sytemd parts such as elogind among others. You can guard from such applications with a little tinkering ... of which the "solution" to avoid such tinkering is how these attack vectors opened up. Then, they bring this mega-complicated "business solution" and try to shoehorn it on the desktops because it's current.
Desktop OS Linux distributions didn't need all that corporate spyware but IBM and others funded the direction of linux almost from the beginning. Others are on to it as well, check this out for example:
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2023/09/25/363/
[ + ] Niggly_Puff
[ - ] Niggly_Puff 2 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:57:14 ago (+2/-0)
Gimp should be installed by default
OBS should not be
Sublime is very well known, useful for programmers or people who work on databases who want a simple notepad which can handle more data than a few megabytes. It's a nice lighter alternative to using a full blown IDE.
My dad is old and losing his marbles. I recently installed mint over windows 10 on his outdated laptop and it was a seamless transition. He instinctively knows how to use it and it runs great. They are doing something right.
[ + ] ruck_feddit
[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 15:06:43 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheNoticing
[ - ] TheNoticing 0 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 15:41:36 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 12:16:05 ago (+1/-0)
I agree, that's pretty specialty for an install disk. However, I think he did make an argument that it at least wasn't "OSB Ready".
I love hearing stories like this. It's amazing how little most people nowadays care about what's going on under the hood. If the web browser works, and they have a way to do their email an whatnot, you can put almost any "friendly" linux install and it's seemless. It seems the new interfaces on windows and OSX are not so intuitive to the older crowd. The old 2000 era desktops are what people are used to.
[ + ] Monica
[ - ] Monica 1 point 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:43:18 ago (+1/-0)*
Where you talk about the apps:
Sublime is a coding program. You can write code in a bunch of different languages using it and it's not too bloated (at least when I used it a few years back).
I used Filezilla for ftp when managing web servers.
Calibre is a document reader.. pdf, comic books, ebooks, etc...
I use or used all of those at one point. I'd vote for those to stay. I never heard of cheese...
I'm installing linux in a few days. I'm not going to bother with trying Mint again.
I wonder if clem is jew. Sounds very jewy with those copy/paste responses he gave you.
[ + ] rhy
[ - ] rhy [op] 1 point 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:48:54 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Monica
[ - ] Monica 0 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 11:52:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 0 points 11 monthsJul 6, 2024 11:55:01 ago (+0/-0)
The experience from linux-mint in the 201x's was a "better ubuntu" and they did a great job on cinnomon if you like the windows type of interface (and hate the new gnome). I ran out of love for it all by 2018 or so because of driver issues (due to the ubuntu repos). A group had a bootable debian based ISO that had more driver support and it all worked out of the box. That was MX-17 (MX Linux, 2017 release). I still do installs weekly of the new MX-23 (based on the latest debian). I suspect if you check them out you'll find the experience you're looking for. I've interacted with a few of the devs and they're all basically gen-x aged conservative types. Also, very helpful.
I don't use MX on my own system though ... but if others who haven't used linux before want a computer refresh, it's the go-to for me.
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 0 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 12:45:47 ago (+0/-0)
I think they probably dislike a big bug list instead of them separated into separate issue reports.
But yeah, systemd is retarded. I don't know how they going 99% of distros to go along with what at most 60% of linux users support (at that 60% being ones that just agree with [insert correct opinion]).
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 0 points 11 monthsJul 5, 2024 20:50:12 ago (+0/-0)