Personification of God (exodus 20:4) is the sin pointed in the second commandment:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Perhaps "pride" is simply one's inability to withold gratification. We don't need all that 7th Day dogma as baggage.
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 13:17:31 ago (+1/-0)
You could certainly use some of their knowledge of scripture.
I don't disagree and don't claim to have all the answers. It may have seemed like a leading question, and in a way it was, but what is the point of having counter statements?
Note that one phrase is presented as the actual echo of God (in quotes, from the higher dimentional being), while the other phrase is presented as a claim (testimony) of a man (the one writing). If these phrases are in paradox together, which one should I reject? Is there another passage that binds them together without paradox (which indeed is possible)? It seems with what's presented here so far, "no graven images" trumps "I know the guy" for me. Is it possible the work (KJV) itself isn't as accurate as it is meant to be?
So, what about that idea of pride being simply one's ability to withhold gratification (an addiction state)? Curious of your insights on that as well ...
So, what about that idea of pride being simply one's ability to withhold gratification (an addiction state)? Curious of your insights on that as well ...
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary 1. (n.) A small European lamprey (Petromyzon branchialis); -- called also prid, and sandpiper. 2. (n.) The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank, etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve, and often in contempt of others.
3. (n.) A sense of one's own worth, and abhorrence of what is beneath or unworthy of one; lofty self-respect; noble self-esteem; elevation of character; dignified bearing; proud delight; -- in a good sense.
4. (n.) Proud or disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing and conduct; insolent exultation; disdain.
5. (n.) That of which one is proud; that which excites boasting or self-gratulation; the occasion or ground of self-esteem, or of arrogant and presumptuous confidence, as beauty, ornament, noble character, children, etc.
6. (n.) Show; ostentation; glory.
7. (n.) Highest pitch; elevation reached; loftiness; prime; glory; as, to be in the pride of one's life.
8. (n.) Consciousness of power; fullness of animal spirits; mettle; wantonness; hence, lust; sexual desire; esp., an excitement of sexual appetite in a female beast.
9. (v. t.) To indulge in pride, or self-esteem; to rate highly; to plume; -- used reflexively.
10. (v. i.) To be proud; to glory.
The word pride has a variety of meanings but I’m not familiar with any reference to the withholding of gratification.
In the context of the Almighty creator of all things I think the term pride is almost meaningless, and in regard to oneself I think it is usually a gross error of judgement.
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 14:16:16 ago (+1/-0)
This looks like a solid response, thank you for that. Let me take a look with more consideration so I can give a proper reply.
I'm not familiar with any reference to the withholding of gratification.
I believe I proposed it as an "inability" to withhold gratification. I realize you wouldn't find it because I also couldn't find it. But, deeper, isn't what we are talking about? Essentially a form (or THE form?) of addiction to affirmation (psychologists refer to "supply" when talking about narcissism for example). I have been re-applying events with this filter and I am finding a great deal of circular talk that I couldn't figure out just was wrong (but had paradoxes) was realizing the secret sauce they are doing to the kids at school.
Once you have someone get enough "false" affirmation, not affirming will get you labelled as evil. Pride month feeds this same addiction causing affirmation addicts to relapse.
Once one knows the power of affirmation and they start to climb out of the addictive clutches, one deveops stoicism. They go forward with the yearniing to be affirmed (not just drugs or alcohol, but having the tendency to confirmation bias itself) and a Dunning-Kruger style servent is born. They are all over our academic institutions and people delving out affirmations in those places are like literal sorcerers (not wizards as they claimed to be).
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 14:26:14 ago (+1/-0)
This looks like a solid response, thank you for that. Let me take a look with more consideration so I can give a proper reply.
I'm not familiar with any reference to the withholding of gratification.
I believe I proposed it as an "inability" to withhold gratification. I realize you wouldn't find it because I also couldn't find it. But, deeper, isn't what we are talking about? Essentially a form (or THE form?) of addiction to affirmation (psychologists refer to "supply" when talking about narcissism for example). I have been re-applying events with this filter and I am finding a great deal of circular talk that I couldn't figure out just was wrong (but had paradoxes) was realizing the secret sauce they are doing to the kids at school.
Once you have someone get enough "false" affirmation, not affirming will get you labelled as evil. Pride month feeds this same addiction causing affirmation addicts to relapse.
Once one knows the power of affirmation and they start to climb out of the addictive clutches, one deveops stoicism. They go forward with the yearniing to be affirmed (not just drugs or alcohol, but having the tendency to confirmation bias itself) and a Dunning-Kruger style servent is born. They are all over our academic institutions and people delving out affirmations in those places are like literal sorcerers (not wizards as they claimed to be).
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 16:37:14 ago (+1/-0)
I see what you’re saying, and yes there does indeed seem to be an inherent connection between pride and gratification, whether delayed or otherwise. My belief is that taking pride in doing the will of the Almighty is the only acceptable pride, and interestingly there is a component of delayed reward in this. Even in this context though I am very wary of the ease with which pride can become toxic and lead toward self worship. Interesting points Dingo, thank you. I am going to be mulling this now, I’ll let you know if I find anything worthwhile to add.
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 17:54:20 ago (+1/-0)
@Dingo K, lol. Straight after I posted that last reply to you I rejoined this teaching I’d been listening to at this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-bPMSq18UI&t=5542s (1.32.22) Right on the button :)
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 5, 2024 15:58:55 ago (+1/-0)
I totally see what happened to this man's father, who had lost faith in Truth and looked to be affirmed in the material way. The fire burned away the sigils that allowed demons to set.
Deferred reward is what fath is.
I want to place another idea before you.
Consider that time is a funnel. Consider how the hourglass represents the past (sand in the bottom), present (the middle, represeting sand moving) and the future (the sand in the top). Mastery of time requires (true) knowledge of the past and some agenda of the future (which would make the world more "just" and "true"). Mastery of the entire structure and knowledge that the only reach we have is in the present (requiring integration of both the past and future). I thought that this is like the "center pillar" he talks about later.
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 5, 2024 16:10:37 ago (+1/-0)
I think that in this metaphor I would see the funnel is a representation of free will, which fans out from the Divine Will of the ‘central pillar’, which is the will of Elohiym as manifested through His Word.
I finally carved a larger chunk of time to get back on this. My apologies for that.
Moses’ books
I do see that my statement wasn't very clear on that and agree those books are attributed to moses. The point I should have been more clear about is that there is a paradox in the same work. I just haven't been able to put together the paradoxes written in some of the works. I would say that Genesis is quite a nice chapter by itself. I have come to finally see that Genesis and some of Plato's writings are eerily close. It seems like the "old" and "new" testament were written and prepared around the same time and that this idea of "old testament" believers (i.e. "jews") aren't a real thing but is a story to infiltrate (even though most of them actually believe it and are conned themselves).
Your investigation of the word "pride".
These definitions have always seemed like pieces to me. I looked into the "7 deadlies" a few times and the note that finally came to echo for me was the idea that there isn't actually "7 sins" but just ONE definition of sin (which means "missing the mark").
A blindness to see one's misses will entrap them much like a man not able to control his drink. What of an addiction to something we don't know, or admit, is a drug?
It starts to crystalize that the whole thing is our inability to leave the warm pool of comfort. Homeostasis. Transport someone to a new, alien environment and duress will start.
Make yourself see disgust in cowardice and such behavior and you'll seem like no fun to those that like to party. Ever deal with a 30 year old addict who has been huffing gas since 12? Is his inability to see his addiction due to the sin in his nature, pride? Or, is his inability to see his addiction because the drug itself is hidden from his view? How can not affirming be abuse? Well, in canuckistan you can get 4 years in jail for not addressing someone as their "preferred" pronoun.
Now it seems clear the complacent slaves are actually addicts. Finding the humility to accept we lose our shit when dosed by certain things is the first step is to avoid such dosings. Quitting ciggarettes is easy when you hate the people profiting from your death ... one then can seeth instead of drool when I see the product, undoing their arrest and urge to use the product again (i.e. relapse).
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 0 points 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 12:29:30 ago (+0/-0)*
Personification of God (exodus 20:4) is the sin pointed in the second commandment:
Perhaps "pride" is simply one's inability to withold gratification. We don't need all that 7th Day dogma as baggage.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 12:49:57 ago (+0/-0)
Deuteronomy 34:10 KJV
You could certainly use some of their knowledge of scripture.
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 13:17:31 ago (+1/-0)
I don't disagree and don't claim to have all the answers. It may have seemed like a leading question, and in a way it was, but what is the point of having counter statements?
Note that one phrase is presented as the actual echo of God (in quotes, from the higher dimentional being), while the other phrase is presented as a claim (testimony) of a man (the one writing). If these phrases are in paradox together, which one should I reject? Is there another passage that binds them together without paradox (which indeed is possible)? It seems with what's presented here so far, "no graven images" trumps "I know the guy" for me. Is it possible the work (KJV) itself isn't as accurate as it is meant to be?
So, what about that idea of pride being simply one's ability to withhold gratification (an addiction state)? Curious of your insights on that as well ...
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 14:04:00 ago (+0/-0)
Both statements come from Moses’ books.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. (n.) A small European lamprey (Petromyzon branchialis); -- called also prid, and sandpiper.
2. (n.) The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank, etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve, and often in contempt of others.
3. (n.) A sense of one's own worth, and abhorrence of what is beneath or unworthy of one; lofty self-respect; noble self-esteem; elevation of character; dignified bearing; proud delight; -- in a good sense.
4. (n.) Proud or disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing and conduct; insolent exultation; disdain.
5. (n.) That of which one is proud; that which excites boasting or self-gratulation; the occasion or ground of self-esteem, or of arrogant and presumptuous confidence, as beauty, ornament, noble character, children, etc.
6. (n.) Show; ostentation; glory.
7. (n.) Highest pitch; elevation reached; loftiness; prime; glory; as, to be in the pride of one's life.
8. (n.) Consciousness of power; fullness of animal spirits; mettle; wantonness; hence, lust; sexual desire; esp., an excitement of sexual appetite in a female beast.
9. (v. t.) To indulge in pride, or self-esteem; to rate highly; to plume; -- used reflexively.
10. (v. i.) To be proud; to glory.
The word pride has a variety of meanings but I’m not familiar with any reference to the withholding of gratification.
In the context of the Almighty creator of all things I think the term pride is almost meaningless, and in regard to oneself I think it is usually a gross error of judgement.
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 14:16:16 ago (+1/-0)
I believe I proposed it as an "inability" to withhold gratification. I realize you wouldn't find it because I also couldn't find it. But, deeper, isn't what we are talking about? Essentially a form (or THE form?) of addiction to affirmation (psychologists refer to "supply" when talking about narcissism for example). I have been re-applying events with this filter and I am finding a great deal of circular talk that I couldn't figure out just was wrong (but had paradoxes) was realizing the secret sauce they are doing to the kids at school.
Once you have someone get enough "false" affirmation, not affirming will get you labelled as evil. Pride month feeds this same addiction causing affirmation addicts to relapse.
Once one knows the power of affirmation and they start to climb out of the addictive clutches, one deveops stoicism. They go forward with the yearniing to be affirmed (not just drugs or alcohol, but having the tendency to confirmation bias itself) and a Dunning-Kruger style servent is born. They are all over our academic institutions and people delving out affirmations in those places are like literal sorcerers (not wizards as they claimed to be).
Thoughts?
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 14:26:14 ago (+1/-0)
I believe I proposed it as an "inability" to withhold gratification. I realize you wouldn't find it because I also couldn't find it. But, deeper, isn't what we are talking about? Essentially a form (or THE form?) of addiction to affirmation (psychologists refer to "supply" when talking about narcissism for example). I have been re-applying events with this filter and I am finding a great deal of circular talk that I couldn't figure out just was wrong (but had paradoxes) was realizing the secret sauce they are doing to the kids at school.
Once you have someone get enough "false" affirmation, not affirming will get you labelled as evil. Pride month feeds this same addiction causing affirmation addicts to relapse.
Once one knows the power of affirmation and they start to climb out of the addictive clutches, one deveops stoicism. They go forward with the yearniing to be affirmed (not just drugs or alcohol, but having the tendency to confirmation bias itself) and a Dunning-Kruger style servent is born. They are all over our academic institutions and people delving out affirmations in those places are like literal sorcerers (not wizards as they claimed to be).
Thoughts?
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 16:37:14 ago (+1/-0)
My belief is that taking pride in doing the will of the Almighty is the only acceptable pride, and interestingly there is a component of delayed reward in this. Even in this context though I am very wary of the ease with which pride can become toxic and lead toward self worship.
Interesting points Dingo, thank you. I am going to be mulling this now, I’ll let you know if I find anything worthwhile to add.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 2, 2024 17:54:20 ago (+1/-0)
K, lol. Straight after I posted that last reply to you I rejoined this teaching I’d been listening to at this point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-bPMSq18UI&t=5542s (1.32.22)
Right on the button :)
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 1 point 11 monthsJun 5, 2024 15:58:55 ago (+1/-0)
I want to place another idea before you.
Consider that time is a funnel. Consider how the hourglass represents the past (sand in the bottom), present (the middle, represeting sand moving) and the future (the sand in the top). Mastery of time requires (true) knowledge of the past and some agenda of the future (which would make the world more "just" and "true"). Mastery of the entire structure and knowledge that the only reach we have is in the present (requiring integration of both the past and future). I thought that this is like the "center pillar" he talks about later.
Thoughts?
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 11 monthsJun 5, 2024 16:10:37 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 0 points 11 monthsJun 5, 2024 15:41:13 ago (+0/-0)*
I do see that my statement wasn't very clear on that and agree those books are attributed to moses. The point I should have been more clear about is that there is a paradox in the same work. I just haven't been able to put together the paradoxes written in some of the works. I would say that Genesis is quite a nice chapter by itself. I have come to finally see that Genesis and some of Plato's writings are eerily close. It seems like the "old" and "new" testament were written and prepared around the same time and that this idea of "old testament" believers (i.e. "jews") aren't a real thing but is a story to infiltrate (even though most of them actually believe it and are conned themselves).
These definitions have always seemed like pieces to me. I looked into the "7 deadlies" a few times and the note that finally came to echo for me was the idea that there isn't actually "7 sins" but just ONE definition of sin (which means "missing the mark").
A blindness to see one's misses will entrap them much like a man not able to control his drink. What of an addiction to something we don't know, or admit, is a drug?
It starts to crystalize that the whole thing is our inability to leave the warm pool of comfort. Homeostasis. Transport someone to a new, alien environment and duress will start.
Make yourself see disgust in cowardice and such behavior and you'll seem like no fun to those that like to party. Ever deal with a 30 year old addict who has been huffing gas since 12? Is his inability to see his addiction due to the sin in his nature, pride? Or, is his inability to see his addiction because the drug itself is hidden from his view? How can not affirming be abuse? Well, in canuckistan you can get 4 years in jail for not addressing someone as their "preferred" pronoun.
Now it seems clear the complacent slaves are actually addicts. Finding the humility to accept we lose our shit when dosed by certain things is the first step is to avoid such dosings. Quitting ciggarettes is easy when you hate the people profiting from your death ... one then can seeth instead of drool when I see the product, undoing their arrest and urge to use the product again (i.e. relapse).