[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 16:40:02 ago (+1/-1)
TBF, that sounds like pilot error hitting treetops coming into land during heavy fog in an outdated 20 year old aircraft. I dont know for sure of course, but after following several pilot debrief channels on ytube, this kinda accident is not that rare overall.
[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 19:47:18 ago (+0/-0)
Using a 1990's aircraft - sure not inherently unsafe however commercial airliner technology has improved massively since then (even from the 1990 date of manufacture to 2010 crash date).
Look, im not entirely disagreeing but obviously the older an aircraft (and it's airframe is) the more effort required in maintenance and inspections. On top of not having the latest modern radar/ weather tech and inbuilt flight safety parameter features etc. Other than pilot error what are you suggesting was the 'primary cause for the airflight crash'?
Avionics can be and are regularly updated as needed. A lot of times they'll do things like that when a plane is in for a heavy maintenance check ("D check" in the airlines), where they basically take the plane apart, inspect everything, then put it back together. If it's in pieces all over the floor anyway, it's easier to upgrade the avionics while you're at it.
20 year old airframe is nothing. And given its age, the latest heavy maintenance could have been just a couple years prior (can't know without having access to the maintenance logs, obviously).
It's pretty routine to have an older airframe with updated electronics.
Also, radio altimeters, GPWS, weather radar, etc. have been on commercial planes for longer than you might think. The main changes are going to be in the electronics and the software, not the hardware.
In the specific case of PLF101, it was a Tupolev Tu-154M. The oldest of those variants started delivery in 1998, meaning the aircraft was at most 12 years old at the time. The M variant also had upgrades to include Western systems for the FMC (Flight Management Computer), GPS, EGPWS (Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System), TCAS (Traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System), etc. So in all respects it was a pretty modern aircraft for the time.
Both Russian AND Polish authorities found no fault with the aircraft, and concluded the crash was caused by unsafe operations for the weather conditions encountered. The Polish Air Force unit operating the flight was actually disbanded over this when the investigation uncovered serious deficiencies in organization and training.
tl;dr - Yes, it was pilot error. There's always the slight chance it was intentional "error", but given that the entire unit was a shit-show, it seems more convenient than anything. Unless they intentionally put the biggest retards up front hoping the weather got the best of them.
Easy to install a bluetooth fuel pump relay and have your man swap it quick in the wreckage, hack the glass dash, spoof the localizers with directed beams, anything to fuck with the ILS or flight system on final and leave no trace.
Bluetooth? As in the low-power communication protocol with a 30ft range in open air (to say nothing through a mess of metal panels and wiring)?
and have your man swap it quick in the wreckage
He's supposed to locate said device in a large area crawling with authorities to swap out a part that might no longer be recognizable?
hack the glass dash
Find me ONE confirmed incident of this happening to an airplane.
spoof the localizers with directed beams, anything to fuck with the ILS or flight system on final and leave no trace.
Earliest I've seen about such a technique is from a 2019 paper, and even then it was just done in a lab setting on a standalone ILS receiver interfaced with a simulator (X-Plane). PLF101 happened in 2010.
Michael Hastings and Princess Diana might agree.
You do realize they both died in car crashes, and we're talking about planes, right?
[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 23:59:16 ago (+0/-0)
Yep, i agree with all you said. Although at some point they had wanted to upgrade or purchase a brand new aircraft but there were no funds available.
here in NZ the new prime minister had to fly 'commercial' 2 months ago lol, bc the usual NZ airforce 757-200 shit itself twice, cunt face jacinda also got stranded in Antarctica a while back when the same aircraft 'developed technical issues'. Those aircraft taken delivery in 2003 ( airforce has 2 of them for vips etc) are iirc over 30 years old.
Disputable! And worst is it is 4th story on CNN and not even on top 5 stories on Fox. Less important than something g about Stormy Daniels and some country singers dating life. IF YOU GET YOUR NEWS FROM CNN and FOX I CANNOT HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WITH YOU
[ + ] boekanier
[ - ] boekanier 8 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 13:18:10 ago (+8/-0)
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker [op] 4 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 15:49:49 ago (+4/-0)
Remember that Polish President that "died in a plane crash" after the ((( Media ))) declared him "Antisemitic"?
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HILoE86Cgow
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 16:40:02 ago (+1/-1)
I dont know for sure of course, but after following several pilot debrief channels on ytube, this kinda accident is not that rare overall.
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 2 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 18:01:35 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 19:47:18 ago (+0/-0)
Look, im not entirely disagreeing but obviously the older an aircraft (and it's airframe is) the more effort required in maintenance and inspections. On top of not having the latest modern radar/ weather tech and inbuilt flight safety parameter features etc.
Other than pilot error what are you suggesting was the 'primary cause for the airflight crash'?
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 21:09:14 ago (+0/-0)*
20 year old airframe is nothing. And given its age, the latest heavy maintenance could have been just a couple years prior (can't know without having access to the maintenance logs, obviously).
It's pretty routine to have an older airframe with updated electronics.
Also, radio altimeters, GPWS, weather radar, etc. have been on commercial planes for longer than you might think. The main changes are going to be in the electronics and the software, not the hardware.
In the specific case of PLF101, it was a Tupolev Tu-154M. The oldest of those variants started delivery in 1998, meaning the aircraft was at most 12 years old at the time. The M variant also had upgrades to include Western systems for the FMC (Flight Management Computer), GPS, EGPWS (Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System), TCAS (Traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System), etc. So in all respects it was a pretty modern aircraft for the time.
Both Russian AND Polish authorities found no fault with the aircraft, and concluded the crash was caused by unsafe operations for the weather conditions encountered. The Polish Air Force unit operating the flight was actually disbanded over this when the investigation uncovered serious deficiencies in organization and training.
tl;dr - Yes, it was pilot error. There's always the slight chance it was intentional "error", but given that the entire unit was a shit-show, it seems more convenient than anything. Unless they intentionally put the biggest retards up front hoping the weather got the best of them.
[ + ] 2plus2equals5
[ - ] 2plus2equals5 1 point 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 23:58:58 ago (+1/-0)
Michael Hastings and Princess Diana might agree.
[ + ] uvulectomy
[ - ] uvulectomy 0 points 11 monthsMay 16, 2024 05:36:16 ago (+0/-0)
Bluetooth? As in the low-power communication protocol with a 30ft range in open air (to say nothing through a mess of metal panels and wiring)?
He's supposed to locate said device in a large area crawling with authorities to swap out a part that might no longer be recognizable?
Find me ONE confirmed incident of this happening to an airplane.
Earliest I've seen about such a technique is from a 2019 paper, and even then it was just done in a lab setting on a standalone ILS receiver interfaced with a simulator (X-Plane). PLF101 happened in 2010.
You do realize they both died in car crashes, and we're talking about planes, right?
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 23:59:16 ago (+0/-0)
Although at some point they had wanted to upgrade or purchase a brand new aircraft but there were no funds available.
here in NZ the new prime minister had to fly 'commercial' 2 months ago lol, bc the usual NZ airforce 757-200 shit itself twice, cunt face jacinda also got stranded in Antarctica a while back when the same aircraft 'developed technical issues'. Those aircraft taken delivery in 2003 ( airforce has 2 of them for vips etc) are iirc over 30 years old.
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 3 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 16:04:25 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 16:32:08 ago (+1/-0)
Why the heck can i not view twatter / x links anymore?
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker [op] 1 point 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 16:41:37 ago (+1/-0)
Kikepedia has already nuked his personal entry page.
The best I can confirm atm, is that he personally formed a leftist political party specifically to fight against violence.
- https://twitter.com/PawelSokala/status/1790774393133822209
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 11 monthsMay 16, 2024 00:42:28 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] dulcima
[ - ] dulcima 2 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 19:22:20 ago (+2/-0)
https://x.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1790805327828464061
[ + ] Hugh
[ - ] Hugh 2 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 18:36:50 ago (+2/-0)
IF YOU GET YOUR NEWS FROM CNN and FOX I CANNOT HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WITH YOU
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 0 points 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 19:41:39 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] DoYouEvenShit
[ - ] DoYouEvenShit 1 point 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 23:20:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang 1 point 11 monthsMay 15, 2024 19:39:44 ago (+1/-0)