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War winning wonder weapons were working.

submitted by jerkofalltrades to whatever 1 yearApr 21, 2024 13:21:31 ago (+4/-2)     (riderinstitute.org)

https://riderinstitute.org/revolutionary-innovation

TL,DR: History knows no such thing as a "science victory". The only superiority that counts is in numbers.



Anyone seen "Oppenheimer"? It gives you most basic facts of the Manhattan project as it happened but leaves out the crucial part: who made it "work". Because surprise surprise - the offical story is all bunk. The role of the faustian hero is reserved solely for people of the chosen race like Teller, Oppenheimer, Szilárd, Feynman or Pauli . It almost seems like to make it into US history books you had to be a jew. I guess Fermi got a pass on account of his jewish wife.

In reality the fabled german tech advantage (often put down by remarking that the Tiger tank was uneconomical or that the 262 was a shit dogfighter) was perfectly real. At least in certain high tech areas the Germans made pioneering discoveries without it being acknowleged later on because of course you can't tell people that the bad guys were the smarties. While everyone is free to scan the evidence for actual German technological superiority concerning nuclear engineering you are only allowed to adress it in mockingbird satire productions like Iron Sky.

But let's have a look at the facts. You can chose to ignore the secondary sources like uncorroborated memoirs, interrogations reports, affidavits or intercepted cables and the like. But here and there you can find anomalous documents like blueprints or floor plans of real known underground installations (some even partially accessible to this day) missing whole floors that should be there according to the plans. There are tons of archived aerial pictures of bunker entrances showing rail connections implying the existence of subterranean factorys and even missle silos (better hidden but not unlike "la coupole" in Pas-de-Calais) that are suspiciuosly absent from current german records but show up on old soviet maps. Most people have no ieda about the scale of german tunneling operations but by 1945 basically every little german machine shop had to have some hiding place underground because those ill maintained Boeing planes kept losing parts all over Germany. Late war german enrichment facilities would certainly be no exception to this and located underground they would have been easy to hide.

Want me to go on about this?

I feel we need to establish some context. You will often hear the sceptics declare WWII to be a pay-to-win game explaining the Germans couldn't possibly afford a grown up nuclear weapons program like the Manhattan project. Therefore Hitler is supposed to have decreed to basically put nuclear arms on hold until the war was won or some nonsense like that. To prop up such arguments you might hear some dollar amount thrown around and compared to Germany's industrial base or something. On the surface this sounds legit but keep in mind how insanely wasteful military spending is and draw your own conclusions. Remember that acurate pricing goes out of the window once the market gets commandeered by the government.

Did the Germans have the ressources? How were they suppose to know they didn't have the ressources if everything had to be worked out first? Witholding funding for german nucelar efforts and giving up without trying seems just like such a convenient cop out at the expense of the usual suspect e.g. Hitler being Hitler. Evidently german scientists in their fuel deprived economy had far more motivation to solve the task of harnessing nuclear power than their american counterparts. Was it really out of reach for the Germans if pajeets could do on their own in the 70's?

Call me racist if you want be aren't Germans supposed to throw themselves on engineering porblems - the more complicated the better? They didn't seem to be to concerned with cost/benefit analysis when building those impratically large steam punk railway guns in both world wars did they? The Germans weren't relying on lone geniuses tapping into higher cognitive spheres but on armies of masterful engineers solving lots of small scale practical problems. Much like the Japanese the Germans were natural tinkerers and knew how to 'make stuff work'. And just like the Japanese the Germans punched way above their weight militarily. So much so that even before the Nazis took over the British were shitting their pants when the Kaiser had the audacity to build a few mordern warships even though he was basically british royalty himself meaning there was zero chance these few german ships would sail against Britain unless the Brits fucked up hard, like declaring war on Germany (once again the perceived tech advantage of the Germans seems to be play here against brtitish numerical superiority).

Back to WWII and nukes. We have an established motive (not losing the war, duh) and means (top notch engineering). What about oportunity? Well, yeah there is, kinda. Who 'discovered' uranium? (the mine this guy problably got his uranium from is part of a region that changed its flag in 1938 rather uproariously). Who 'discovered' nuclear fission? Who is the Geiger-counter named after? All german dudes. Was Germany the only place where nuclear physics was actively researched? No. But let's just say there weren't many other places on earth offering a better starting position for the atomic arms race than Germany in the 30's.

Anyway you slice it the offical story just doesn't hold water. According to mainstream history "those dumb nazis bet on the wrong horse. Instead of funding von Brauns crappy rockets they should have ordered some nuclear weapons!". Of course as far as the actual documented research into the application of nuclear fission goes we get told "That stoopid Nobel laureate Heisenberg couldn't calculate critical mass right." and "That retard Nobel laureate Paul could not get Isotope seperation to work!".

Yeah right. You'd have to be dim as a gaslit street at night to believe that. (Please note german physicist and Nobel laureate Wolfgang Paul was totally not austrian Physicist and Nobel laureate Wolfgang PAULI)

Remember according to mainstream history all the Germans with there all star team of physicists never even achieved sustained chain reactions, couldn't design a functioning reactor, couldn't purify graphite or produce heavy water in appreciable amounts. To put it bluntly: on the nuclear front the Germans achieved nothing at all supposedly.

So what really happened?

Incredibly sources point out not one but multiple successful nuclear tests. But then again with interservice rivalry at play it isn't hard to believe that the army had a test and the navy followed suit. Those sources reveal naval testing grounds on the northern tip of the island of Rügen and the army shooting range at Ohrdruf in Thuringia as the world's first sites of nuclear exlosions. Hitler's mysterious "last HQ" at Jonastal as well the labor camp for its construction was close by.

Patton visited that camp. It's said to be the very first german camp to be liberated by american troops. There is a whole narrative about how appaled Patton was by what he found there. Or was he?

Isn't Patton alledge to have preferred the Germans over the Soviets by war's end? Maybe what informed his reassesment of German morality was tangible evidence for the existence of deployable nuclear warhaeds in the german arsenals that could have devasted a few allied population centers just like the allies had opted to ruin german population centers but that the Germans chose not to use.

So why wouldn't those weapons be used? Maybe the Germans figured that with no navy left and barely any army formations at strength the destruction of London or Moscow wouldn't have changed the war's outcome. Or maybe they wagered they could best get revenge by exporting the deadly technology to their enemies and waiting out the outbreak of WWIII in South America. It is widely acknowledged that even with soviet spies stealing american nuclear secrets the Soviets would not have gotten far without german scientists and german uranium. Uranium that curiously came right out of - you guessed it, Thuringia.

The way I see it successfully designing nuclear weapons means they probably mastered nulcear power generation as well. Could they have minaturized such a plant to fit in a submarine? The drastic improvement in submerged travel time a nuclear powered sub would enjoy could certainly lend some credence to the rumors of german bases hiding under glaciers in antartic fjords.

Let me throw some links at you:

Patton at Ohrdruf:
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ohrdruf-concentration-camp

oldest uranium mine:
https://www.montanregion-erzgebirge.de/en/world-heritage/czech-republic/jachymov-mining-cultural-landscape/svornost-mine.html

Soviet reliance on german uranium mines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wismut_(company)

If you can't get enough of this stuff hit this:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/plheGxpMhaHy/


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[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 1 yearApr 21, 2024 14:42:25 ago (+1/-0)

Interesting read, bro. Thanks for taking the time to write that up.

[ - ] jerkofalltrades [op] 0 points 1 yearApr 22, 2024 16:11:27 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks man. IMHO it is key historical information. Of course it is a gloomy affair realizing how close-run the whole conflict was. Actually many highly regarded allied (!) contemporary sources made statements to that effect. Dr. Rider's work seems to be the gold standard when it comes to revisionist history of wonder weapons development. But poeple have been reporting on the stuff for decades.

I would say you can't understand the progress of the war without a good idea about the stete of german nuclear research. In fact having nuclear weapons in reach paints a vastly different picture of Hitler and his famous 'decend into madness'. Demanding resistance to the very last bullet becomes frighteningly rational - if your last bullet is an actual nuclear weapon it could really be the only one that counts.


An important "primary" source are the (largely sanitized) "farm hall" transcipts (candid secret recordings of top level german nuclear scientists) that come up a lot on reddit like here . But does the narrative put forward there strikes you as plausible? Because that is the official story nowadays. "They didn't invest enough AND couldn't decide on the right technologies to pursue AND their scientist didn't really want to do it". It you doesn't pass the smell test. This comment from the same reddit post sums it up.


The whole topic is just like the burnt offering nonsense - there are enough facts paraded to keep main stream historians busy but the larger picture doesn't add up. And while there isn't a smoking gun to provide certain proof there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence. There are drawings, patents, witness reports with names and dates attached providing detailed descriptions of mushroom clouds before anyone could have had a chance to see one. The list goes on and on.


Aparantly even the Japanese were confident they could built a weapon. That japanese guy is rather interesting. As a US professor he pioneered the concept of natural unranium reactors. But how did he get tot the US. Afaik there is no official confirmation for to have been part of a japanese paper clip program but having worked in the japanese nuclear program I guess it was no mere coincidence he was allowed to emigrate.


In Germany a few years back some enthusiast apparently found an actual WW2 silo with weapons inside and went to the press and properly informed the municipal authorities and as per standard operating procedure nothing happened. Today everywhere unseemly pieces of history turn up is declared a nature preserve, a military zone with restricted access or simply a grave site.

[ - ] Spaceman84 1 point 1 yearApr 21, 2024 16:25:10 ago (+1/-0)

Sad they have to give a disclaimer simply because they’re writing about German history.

[ - ] Wahaha 0 points 10 monthsJun 21, 2024 07:02:43 ago (+0/-0)

About German engineering and stuff, take a look at the Tirpitz. It's a German battleship that was sent to Norway alone to subdue the entire country. One battleship.

And if you go to war museums in Norway they will parade how they managed to defeat this one ship and it only took them the entirety of the war to do so. Tirpitz was deployed April 1939 and sunk in November 1944.

[ - ] jerkofalltrades [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 21, 2024 11:28:59 ago (+0/-0)*

Don't know much about the ships - I do remember their destroyers getting completely chewed up at Narvik by the British.

Anyway the crazy thing is that the Germans get laughed at a lot for their tendency to overengineer their gear. And sure enough not everything the deployed was effective but the sheer number of times they pioneered certain tech is impressive. Sure they didn't work in a vacuum (von Braun expanded on Goddards ideas and the designers at Heinkel Building the first jet plane surely had a good look at Frank Whittles turbines). But it's still noteworthy that with the possible exception of adavanced proximity fuses you can look absolutely everywhere like radar, electronic computation, helicopters, guided missles/bombs, ejector seats and the germans are either first or amazingly fast at catching up. And yes that does include strategic bombers (they really did built planes that could reach the US thuogh they were regular old tubes not sci-fi flying wing designs).

Keep in mind that with the axis the flow of Information was unidirectional in that the Germans exported thier tech to the japs. Not the other way around. Within the allied camp research was much more of a team sport (think of 'tube alloys' and the Manhattan project).

You should have a goog look at the link I posted though - if half of the stuff presented there is even close to historic reality it really makes you question whether fighting as hard as they did was so crazy after all with tech like this in the pipeline...