Let's start by making some simple points that I'm going to assume most can agree on. Smoking is bad for your health, like drinking, eating ultra-processed food, sedentary lifestyles and breathing in silica, etc. Not really definitve but it's likely the previous statement is all true.
In a place like UK, Canada, Australia... Anywhere with publicly funded healthcare really, the aforementioned activities create a burden on the taxpayer. Therefore, as a taxpayer, should you be responsible for funding the health problems created by poor decision making?
If not, should those that participate be excluded from public healthcare? If so, then should those that are unvaccinated be excluded? Or what about those with low social-credit scores? What about people that have 14 abortions? 11 children?
The government says "smoking is bad and we're going to eliminate it." Not because smoking is bad but because the money they make off cigarettes is less than the cost on healthcare. The same reason they'll sell a kid a bottle of Pepsi in elementary school but not a cigarette. Both addictive, both killers, both a burden on taxpayers... But the government makes more selling high-fructose corn syrup to children than it costs them in the long run.
The government says, get the jab, stop smoking, eat like shit, sit around, be stressed out, fight EACHOTHER and then die.
A smoking ban is good for people but bad for liberty. Although the UK doesn't have a well-established history of standing for liberty it's an interesting discussion because once a globalist plague starts spreading it becomes hard to subdue.
There is something vital for humanity within the act of smoking. I'm convinced of it
Maybe so, but with all the chemicals that form at high temperatures, I'm going to need some evidence. Many things like nicotine can be ingested in other ways not involving burning.
How about ALL gubberment go fuck themselves and stay out of people's lives. Fire most of these non essential gubberment employees and save more money than a smoking ban
[ - ] Had 4 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 12:34:23 ago (+6/-2)
Smoking is bad for your health
Wrong. Smoking can be beneficial (in moderation). Smokers had the lowest death rates from covid during the covid bullshit. Smokers were protected from covid due to how nicotine interacts with your ACE2 receptors that prevented sars cov 2 from binding or some bullshit.
Farmers who smoke are far less likely to develop "farmer's lung".
As usual, it is doing things in excess that is a problem. Any drug in too big of a dose becomes a poison. All things in moderation.
Smoking cigars is actually zero risk (even negative risk according to some studies where cigar smokers had longer life spans). Everyone should smoke at least 1 cigar a week (no inhalation). Problems come from inhaling tobacco smoke CONSTANTLY and DEEP.
Nicotine is a PED. It sharpens the mind while calming you down. The type of tobacco you consume is important. I eat organic food, so it just makes sense to smoke organic tobacco.
There's other benefits as well. I spend a lot of time outside because I smoke. It's actually a net positive to go outside for ten minutes every couple of hours. I get to look over my plants and watch all the critters do their thing. Sometimes I'll be out there in the backyard long after I finished smoking, just watching the birds and lizards and butterflies and squirrels do their thing.
[ - ] dass 1 point 1 weekApr 17, 2024 16:44:25 ago (+1/-0)
Yep, i'm positive the huge amount of health issues comes from the 600 plus additives put in during the Manufactauring - literally garbage that would require disposal/ containment fees can be sold to Tabacco companies instead. I recall several years ago trying to find studies of shamans or south Americans etc who only smoked natural tobacco and how that compared to commercial tobacco smokers for risk? Zero studies of additive free natural/ organic tobacco.
Anywhere with publicly funded healthcare really, the aforementioned activities create a burden on the taxpayer. Therefore, as a taxpayer, should you be responsible for funding the health problems created by poor decision making?
The solution is not to ban smoking but rather to not have government in control of health care services. Once you let them get their foot in the door with that bullshit reasoning, they will use it to ban whatever they want. "Oh, we better ban drinking, motorcycles, firearms, meat" etc etc... they will just declare these things "harmful" and ban them too. They clearly don't actually give a shit about your health and they clearly don't give a shit about dilligently allocating the tax dollars they steal from you, either. It's all bullshit. All governments eventually turn into a gigantic mafia of sociopathic parasites and absolute idiots who are genuinely too stupid to responsibly handle a position of authority.
if people cared about cost burdens they would deport many nonwhites and blacks, because they are the biggest drain. the truth is that tobacco does not cause cancer
The money they make off cigarette taxes is far more than the cost of the healthcare they give. You are a retard to believe otherwise - if banning smoking would have made countries financially much better off they'd have done it decades ago.
This is ignoring some other obvious facts, like 100% of non smokers fucking die and they need healthcare too. Banning smoking would change where money is spent on health perhaps but it wouldn't reduce the health spend by a single cent. Because people would just die of something else, and (((big pharma))) will find a way to make money off that something else.
Even your original pretext that smoking is inherently unhealthy isn't as strong as you think it is. Japan, Cyprus, Spain and South Korea have much higher per capita cigarette consumption than Western countries - yet life expectancy is virtually on a par with countries that have much stricter rules around tobacco, even adjusted for gender.
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie 7 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 15:01:23 ago (+7/-0)
Yep. Smoking is generally dumb but I'll always be on the smokers' side over tyrants.
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 19:35:59 ago (+0/-0)
They fucking lied.
They fucking hate us.
The op is full of shit, alcohol is the most damaging drug for society, not banned...
There is something vital for humanity within the act of smoking. I'm convinced of it
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie 0 points 1 weekApr 18, 2024 05:02:58 ago (+0/-0)
Maybe so, but with all the chemicals that form at high temperatures, I'm going to need some evidence. Many things like nicotine can be ingested in other ways not involving burning.
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 7 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 14:35:50 ago (+7/-0)
[ + ] Had
[ - ] Had 4 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 12:34:23 ago (+6/-2)
Wrong. Smoking can be beneficial (in moderation). Smokers had the lowest death rates from covid during the covid bullshit. Smokers were protected from covid due to how nicotine interacts with your ACE2 receptors that prevented sars cov 2 from binding or some bullshit.
Farmers who smoke are far less likely to develop "farmer's lung".
As usual, it is doing things in excess that is a problem. Any drug in too big of a dose becomes a poison. All things in moderation.
Smoking cigars is actually zero risk (even negative risk according to some studies where cigar smokers had longer life spans). Everyone should smoke at least 1 cigar a week (no inhalation). Problems come from inhaling tobacco smoke CONSTANTLY and DEEP.
[ + ] PeckerwoodPerry
[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 3 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 13:05:49 ago (+3/-0)
There's other benefits as well. I spend a lot of time outside because I smoke. It's actually a net positive to go outside for ten minutes every couple of hours. I get to look over my plants and watch all the critters do their thing. Sometimes I'll be out there in the backyard long after I finished smoking, just watching the birds and lizards and butterflies and squirrels do their thing.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 1 weekApr 17, 2024 16:46:14 ago (+1/-0)
It's why smoking, with those other reasons you mention also, took off in the first world war.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 1 weekApr 17, 2024 16:44:25 ago (+1/-0)
I recall several years ago trying to find studies of shamans or south Americans etc who only smoked natural tobacco and how that compared to commercial tobacco smokers for risk?
Zero studies of additive free natural/ organic tobacco.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 4 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 12:10:19 ago (+4/-0)
Taxpayers are financially supporting the Palestinian Holocaust, as well as the slaughter of the Ukrainian people.
Taxpayers are financing homosex and genderfluid instruction in kindergartens.
Taxpayers donated to have hundreds of thousands of children murdered in Iraq so jews could bloodlust-dance in the streets of Israel.
Taxpayers are paying to flood our countries with brown and black-skined invaders.
The crimes against nature and humanity the taxpayers support are the greatest evils ever seen on the face of this planet.
Could God himself create a sufficient burden on taxpayers?
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 3 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 15:37:38 ago (+3/-0)
Pipe smokers live on average three years longer than non smokers.
Judeo governments never do anything in the publics best interest.
I grew my own tobacco. So can you.
Without doubt the chems they add to tobacco are real killers.
[ + ] MasklessTheGreat
[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 3 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 14:28:03 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Sheeeeit
[ - ] Sheeeeit 2 points 1 weekApr 17, 2024 16:28:56 ago (+2/-0)
The solution is not to ban smoking but rather to not have government in control of health care services. Once you let them get their foot in the door with that bullshit reasoning, they will use it to ban whatever they want. "Oh, we better ban drinking, motorcycles, firearms, meat" etc etc... they will just declare these things "harmful" and ban them too. They clearly don't actually give a shit about your health and they clearly don't give a shit about dilligently allocating the tax dollars they steal from you, either. It's all bullshit. All governments eventually turn into a gigantic mafia of sociopathic parasites and absolute idiots who are genuinely too stupid to responsibly handle a position of authority.
[ + ] oppressed
[ - ] oppressed 1 point 1 weekApr 17, 2024 18:25:11 ago (+1/-0)
the truth is that tobacco does not cause cancer
[ + ] KDs_Other_Burner
[ - ] KDs_Other_Burner 1 point 1 weekApr 17, 2024 16:00:38 ago (+1/-0)
This is ignoring some other obvious facts, like 100% of non smokers fucking die and they need healthcare too. Banning smoking would change where money is spent on health perhaps but it wouldn't reduce the health spend by a single cent. Because people would just die of something else, and (((big pharma))) will find a way to make money off that something else.
Even your original pretext that smoking is inherently unhealthy isn't as strong as you think it is. Japan, Cyprus, Spain and South Korea have much higher per capita cigarette consumption than Western countries - yet life expectancy is virtually on a par with countries that have much stricter rules around tobacco, even adjusted for gender.