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Morality explained

submitted by AntiPostmodernist to whatever 3 weeksApr 13, 2024 22:27:34 ago (+2/-2)     (whatever)

If there is a universal goal to life, it is to increase the number of organisms that express genetic traits that are similar to your own, and to increase the number of similar genetic traits that are expressed by those other organisms.

Increase the number of organisms with phenotypes in common to yourself, and increase the number of common phenotypes that coexist within those other organisms.

To this end, many organisms have developed internal systems of reward and punishment that reward them for experiencing perceived conditions that are associated with the increased capacity to fulfill their life's mission to a greater extent, and punish them for experiencing perceived conditions that are associated with the reduction of their ability to fulfill their life's mission to the greater extent.

What motivates all human action are two sets of neurochemicals, reward chemicals that make us feel happiness and pleasure, and punishment chemicals that cause us pain and misery, we are all neurochem addicts chasing the highs and trying to avoid the lows that are given to us by our own brains as a mean of driving us toward what success is on evolutionary terms.

All that we associate with feeling good or bad is merely a proxy for these chemicals that are the actual thing which makes us feel in these ways. We are all monkeys on juice.

The operant conditioning of our joys and sorrows is our desires and fears, these too take many forms, but we are conditioned to pursue some things and avoid other things, the "things" being the perceived existence of certain conditions, usually experiences we are having, have had in the past, or could be having in the future. Some we act to cause, others we act to prevent.

These conditions include the behaviors of others, we feel good or bad in response to what we perceive as being the conduct of other people, and this can motivate us to take actions accordingly to cultivate behaviors on others that make us feel good, but more often we are motivated to take actions to rescue behaviors of others that make us feel bad.

Thus is the essence of our personal moral instinct, what others do makes us feel in certain ways, because of neurochemicals being released in response to perceived environmental stimuli such as the actions of others, because certain environmental condition such as how others are behaving impact our ability to propagate genes similar to our own, particulary our phenotypes.

When we talk about empathy sympathy, conscience, outrage, vengeance, or a sense of justice, all these and more are merely the expressions of evolutionarily programmed releases of neurological chemistry that produces emotion or sensation responses in us, precisely to motivate us to take the actions we've undertaken that help us pursue better conditions for our genetic cause as exists as the standard of the game of life according to evolution.

When we talk about the "objective morality" that conservatives continually refer to, we are actually talking about the moral consensus of our culture and society.

Yes, there are certain primal desires that we have programmed into us from birth, and they are associated with the instinctive needs we have for the survival and procreation of ourselves, our genetic kin, and the potential sources of mates for each.

But what we have in terms of our moral culture, is the interaction of the preferences of many individuals interacting with one another, and finding a common ground where they are complimentary in terms of game theory.

Basically, we are against killing and stealing because we all agreed that we dislike the prospect of being killed or stolen from, basically when humans form a collective, their rules are made to satisfy the negative desires, or fears, of the individual members of that collective.

We place fears above desires when making rules because we perceive our fears as greater, same as we perceive a loss far more intensely than we perceive a gain.
For most of us, life is full of many gains that we feel very faintly, and a few losses which we feel very strongly.

Speaking of which, there are a few primal fears that we get born with, but we have most of our fears as the result of conditioning, we have learned to hate things, same as we have learned to love most of the things that we love. It's part and parcel of living within a society, or any human collective.

Any moral system out there breaks down into egoism when subject to a line of socratic questioning.

It all ultimately reduces down to personal preference, to the value judgement of an individual, typically the one advocating their ethical system or the one who they are proposing it towards.

"What is the nature of morality? What constitutes good or evil?"

And then we ask why they or I should want that, and so on, and at the end it's either "because that's what I want" or "because that's what you would want".

Conservatives hate this, that all that motivates people are subjective experiences relative to their point of observation, that personal feelings are all the things which make us think and act as we do, and that these exist in us because they allow us to increase the number of other being like ourselves, and to increase how much like ourselves such beings would be.

Because conservatives are exactly like the liberals they present themselves in comparison to: they are merely the religious counterpart of their establishment-approved ideological alternative.

Both are a bunch of autistic retards that exist as a clique more than as a group holding any consistent ideological position on anything.

The Bible says nothing about pedophilia and when it speaks of slavery its explicitly encouraged rather than condemned.

Yet the biggest sales campaign of the republicans of today is their opposition to both racism and child abuse. These aren't biblically sound positions to take. Yet they portray this as being due to their religious foundations for morality.

It's not religious, it's peer pressure. These assholes are just like the opposition, for them high school had never ended.


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[ - ] Nosferatjew 4 points 3 weeksApr 13, 2024 23:10:55 ago (+4/-0)

I'm not reading all that.

[ - ] Spaceman84 3 points 3 weeksApr 13, 2024 22:43:05 ago (+3/-0)

Nobody is going to read your gay retarded essay.

[ - ] boekanier 2 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 01:25:31 ago (+2/-0)

@AntiPostmodernist: you often post interesting stories, i.e. the content is interesting, worth to think about, but there is always something to criticize about the form: too long. Perhaps take a moment to reflect on this and try to express your ideas more concisely?

[ - ] xmasskull 1 point 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 01:58:27 ago (+1/-0)

I'd bet he Won't,heed your advice.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 19:59:52 ago (+1/-0)

I try to. I start with a short concept, but as I write the thoughts keep coming along with anxiety about how well I'm communicating the ideas and how I could preemptively respond to whatever replies my existing writings might attract. A short post becomes a long essay.

[ - ] yesiknow 2 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 01:16:41 ago (+2/-0)*

Yabutt, every life on earth has one goal and that's to eat. Even sex and procreation it can go without.

Your comment "The Bible says nothing about pedophilia and when it speaks of slavery its explicitly encouraged rather than condemned.

Yet the biggest sales campaign of the republicans of today is their opposition to both racism and child abuse. These aren't biblically sound positions to take." And blah blah some more.

Christ said any who offends his little ones should have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown in a river and drowned.

Yes, every pedophile should be drowned and that's not limited to morals or altruism or compassion. It's intelligence.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 16:00:36 ago (+0/-0)*

I've read through Luke, it doesn't say what you are trying to convince us that it does.

Christians will quote one specific line that is vague enough for them to shoegorn in the interpretation they need to read intimacy the text.

Their critics will quote the entire chapter itvwas taken from, and show how their preferred meaning is self serving bullshit by disambiguating the line they had chosen to cite.

Those who go a step further will read the chapter in its original language to show how the Christian is relying upon a specific translation into English that changes the original meaning of the text they had cited to allow for the vagueness that permits their preferred exegenic meaning to be read into it.

Here, "little ones" has been mistranslated, because reading the chapter of Luke being cited shows he was talking to an audience that had no children within in.

"Little ones" was not referring to children, but to adult men. It could more accurately be read as "meek ones" or "sheep", basically the weak, poor, and humble sorts of which Christ had preached his gospel to, and of whom he had come to serve.

He wasn't even talking about anything relating to children, he was addressing concerns from his disciples that they would continue to sin even after having decided to follow him.

He's saying "look, you will make mistakes and sin by accident, that you can be forgiven for, but anyone who intentionally tries to cause each other to commit sins should drown themselves."

That's the context, nothing relating to at what ages a girl is dtf at according to God.

[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 23:25:19 ago (+0/-0)

ou're a pedophile and you'll twist your own words around to satisfy your own perversion. You know you contribute nothing good to anyone's life

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 3 weeksApr 16, 2024 15:20:12 ago (+0/-0)

Nice biblical argument. You fail at reading the Bible.

[ - ] con77 1 point 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 12:47:47 ago (+1/-0)

Did you make the freshman at your community college read your book?

[ - ] purityspiral 1 point 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 10:46:57 ago (+1/-0)

You describe the motivational system of levers and pulleys that animate us very well.
While there is no question that your are correct, There is a lingering question of how.

How the fuck does a reactionary system such as this KNOW or even KNOW TO DETECT, such things?
How does it know that one path leads to continued reproduction and that rejection should be punished by a lack of neurochem signalling. That does my head in because it is cyclical.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 15:51:19 ago (+0/-0)

Someone gave a computer program the ability to play Mario, as in, it had the ability to make all the button inputs and it could see the bits being diaplayed on the screen as well as hear the sounds being played on the speakers.

The computer system would be rewarded for every progress marker it achieved in the game.

At first the machine would just jump in place or run forwards until it died when it hit an enemy, fell down a hole, or when the timer ran out.

But with randomized inputs it would occasionally gain a reward token that told it it did something good. This made it likely to repeat the actions that got it into these rewarding conditions.

Thevrewarded actions got to move forward, the actions not rewarded were forgotten.

Eventually the computer became skilled enough to perfectly navigate through the level, and carried with it some degree of knowledge into the second level such that it had learned it even faster than the first, and the third was conquered even more quickly.

Soon the ai learned how to perfectly speedrun through any Mario level you put before it.

We called this process "machine learning".

[ - ] purityspiral 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 16:29:44 ago (+0/-0)

I am familiar with neural networks as we used to call them, made one for predicting market prices which while it did work, it did not work in a useful way. Machine learning is certainly more art than science.

Your analysis insists upon an intelligent and motivated creator entity.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 16:50:30 ago (+0/-0)*

Organisms that responded to stimuli were more likely to make more of themselves than those that didn't, and when they made new organisms, they were more likely to make organisms like themselves, which responded to stimuli about as well as they did.

Of those organisms, the organisms that responded to stimuli in ways that made them more likely to create other organisms would outpace those whose responses were more suboptimal.

And this is true of all traits. The genes are the players of the game of evolution, organisms are the teams the individual players find themselves on, and traits are the net result of the total input of each player on the team.

The goal of the players is to increase the number of teams that include players identical to themselves, and to increase the number of teams that include players identical to their teammates.

The future is the prize that beliefs tl those that show up, evolution is a game that consists of a series of eliminations which sees who makes it the furthest, genes with the best staying power tend to be the most consistent winners.

[ - ] purityspiral 0 points 3 weeksApr 14, 2024 10:39:10 ago (+1/-1)

WE ARE ALL MONKIES ON JUICE!

NEUROCHEM JUNKIES!

Ich bin FALLOUT GUY!

tips you in bottlecaps

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy -4 points 3 weeksApr 13, 2024 23:00:14 ago (+1/-5)

What is moral is what is most conducive to continued life on this earth if anything is.

The new morality is Lucifer.

https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=65e2b91fd64e4

I'm not sure morality best describes what is most in harmony with our true nature - but Lucifer represents that too.