People are living longer, and daily life is getting more expensive. It may be time to rethink the timeline for leaving the workforce.
No. People are not living longer. And, when you factor out the extremities, under 2, and over 100, people have been dying earlier for the last 20 years.
Things are getting more expensive and government sucks your quality of life away through inflationary spending.
"[I]f any would not work, neither should he eat." - 2 Thes 3:10b
"Access to employment and to professions must be open to all without unjust discrimination: men and women, healthy and disabled, natives and immigrants. For its part society should, according to circumstances, help citizens find work and employment. A just wage is the legitimate fruit of work. To refuse or withhold it can be a grave injustice. In determining fair pay both the needs and the contributions of each person must be taken into account. 'Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family on the material, social, cultural and spiritual level, taking into account the role and the productivity of each, the state of the business, and the common good.' Agreement between the parties is not sufficient to justify morally the amount to be received in wages." - CCC 2433-2434
Basically, the Catholic perspective is that people should work according to their abilities. Retirement can be part of that vision with the concept that you shouldn't stop working, you just change the way you provide your talents to society. Boomers that rode high on the hog, retiring at 50, taking cruises and lavishly vacationing and partying for the rest of their lives all while ignoring the needs of their families, communities, etc. were not doing the right thing morally. Retirement should be about refocusing your efforts to different works. That might be community service or helping with your grandkids, some part time project, etc.
It is morally unjust for a society to deny the support due to those that are elderly. But it is also morally unjust for people that are able and capable of doing something to decide to retire simply because they want to stop working altogether as though that would be some sort of inherent right to have a period at the end of your life to do nothing.
This is also a respect we should be giving to the elderly. If they are retired, we shouldn't be treating them like a precious prisoner to be kept away from all harm. We should try to help enable their ability to work even if it is something as simple as helping take them to social events like Church functions, to allow them to contribute in the way they can.
Work is good for the heart. The question is about finding the appropriate work for someone based on their ability. And work does not necessarily mean working for a wage.
Partake in hobbies, pass times, travel and spend time with friends and family. I can't believe I need to explain this. If you'd rather be working you failed
But hobbies are work. I'm not talking about sitting at a desk doing work for some globohomo corp. Literally anything that involves effort is work. If you relax too much you'll die faster.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 5 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 06:53:31 ago (+5/-0)
No. People are not living longer. And, when you factor out the extremities, under 2, and over 100, people have been dying earlier for the last 20 years.
Things are getting more expensive and government sucks your quality of life away through inflationary spending.
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck 3 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 07:02:51 ago (+4/-1)
There is a substantial obituaries section. Lots of 90 year olds, 100 year olds, etc.
It's a complete myth that we live longer in the modern era.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 07:20:17 ago (+2/-0)
Roughly, if 1 baby dies at age 1, it takes 3 or 4 people living to 100 to offset the average loss. 7 or 8 living to 80 will offset that average loss.
By helping kids live past infancy, the average life expectancy increases.
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 12:10:51 ago (+1/-1)
Our gene pool is weaker for keeping them alive.
People with peanut allergies, for example, should not breed.
And you are incorrect. Infant deaths are not counted, especially back before birth certificates.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 13:44:56 ago (+1/-1)
Wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Gene pools are a eugenics myth. Don't be that guy.
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck -1 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:09:58 ago (+0/-1)
If an animal is born defective, we don't save it, and we certainly don't breed it.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:33:00 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:37:11 ago (+0/-0)
From my experience, ~97% of people are herd creatures.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 16:45:03 ago (+0/-0)
However, now we face a lifetime of endless poisons, thereby dragging the average back down from the other end.
[ + ] The_Reunto
[ - ] The_Reunto 1 point 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 10:08:10 ago (+1/-0)
"Access to employment and to professions must be open to all without unjust discrimination: men and women, healthy and disabled, natives and immigrants. For its part society should, according to circumstances, help citizens find work and employment. A just wage is the legitimate fruit of work. To refuse or withhold it can be a grave injustice. In determining fair pay both the needs and the contributions of each person must be taken into account. 'Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family on the material, social, cultural and spiritual level, taking into account the role and the productivity of each, the state of the business, and the common good.' Agreement between the parties is not sufficient to justify morally the amount to be received in wages." - CCC 2433-2434
Basically, the Catholic perspective is that people should work according to their abilities. Retirement can be part of that vision with the concept that you shouldn't stop working, you just change the way you provide your talents to society. Boomers that rode high on the hog, retiring at 50, taking cruises and lavishly vacationing and partying for the rest of their lives all while ignoring the needs of their families, communities, etc. were not doing the right thing morally. Retirement should be about refocusing your efforts to different works. That might be community service or helping with your grandkids, some part time project, etc.
It is morally unjust for a society to deny the support due to those that are elderly. But it is also morally unjust for people that are able and capable of doing something to decide to retire simply because they want to stop working altogether as though that would be some sort of inherent right to have a period at the end of your life to do nothing.
This is also a respect we should be giving to the elderly. If they are retired, we shouldn't be treating them like a precious prisoner to be kept away from all harm. We should try to help enable their ability to work even if it is something as simple as helping take them to social events like Church functions, to allow them to contribute in the way they can.
Work is good for the heart. The question is about finding the appropriate work for someone based on their ability. And work does not necessarily mean working for a wage.
[ + ] HeavyBrain
[ - ] HeavyBrain 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 19:03:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 10:58:12 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] moo
[ - ] moo -1 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 15:59:08 ago (+0/-1)
Keep going, it'll keep you alive longer. I don't mean for some janky corpo, make your own business before then.
You can draw pensions here at least while you work at the same time, meaning if you work while you're older you'll have a much easier life.
Don't be a useless old fuck and die alone.
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 [op] -1 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 17:08:41 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] moo
[ - ] moo 0 points 3 weeksApr 11, 2024 13:28:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Sal_180
[ - ] Sal_180 [op] 0 points 3 weeksApr 11, 2024 15:07:26 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] moo
[ - ] moo 0 points 3 weeksApr 12, 2024 01:36:22 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds -1 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 07:05:24 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -2 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:39:54 ago (+0/-2)
By 65 or 70 there won't be anything to draw at the rate the last 20yrs has shown.
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck -2 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 06:48:18 ago (+0/-2)
Checkmate, jews.
[ + ] purityspiral
[ - ] purityspiral 1 point 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 10:30:27 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 1 point 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:09:52 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] BushChuck
[ - ] BushChuck 0 points 3 weeksApr 10, 2024 14:11:32 ago (+1/-1)
I got sick of writing the government bigger cheques than I was writing myself.
Funding my enemies also seemed pretty fucking stupid.