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Stars trails and parallax (doing math flattards can't)

submitted by chrimony to FlattardClassroom 1.1 yearsMar 19, 2024 23:37:41 ago (+6/-5)     (FlattardClassroom)

Preamble
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Today's topic is a response to @McNasty's challenge[1]:

"chrimony claims that he can calculate exactly how far a star at 500 light years away should appear to move throughout the night"

But the real origins of the question are the star trails that can be seen from Australia[2]. Two poles on a spherical Earth, one pole in Flattard Land.

McNasty tries to cope with his failure to explain half the night sky by claiming[3] because we don't see parallax in star trails, then "If the stars show no movement at all relative to each other, then it means those stars are at the same exact distance from the observer. So basic observation and by the laws of perception, the stars in the night sky are a blanket."

Whatever the fuck it means for the stars to be a "blanket".

My response to this is, "If the perceived parallax for a star is 0, then 0/2 = 0". Meaning a star twice as far away will show no parallax if we can't detect parallax in the closer star.

The closest star is Proxima Centauri, at about 4 light years away. If we can't detect parallax for that star in a 12-hour night sky star trail, then we sure as fuck won't be able to see it for a star 500 light years away. So to give the flattard every advantage, I'm going to calculate the parallax for a star 1 light year away over a 12-hour period.

The Math
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#Right-angle trigonometry.
#Do flattards know SohCahToa?
parallax angle = arctan( displacement / distance )

#Distance to the star.
#Flattards ignore how big this number is.
distance = 1 light year = 5.88 x 10^12 miles

#The lateral motion of an observer on Earth.
displacement = orbit displacement + rotation displacement in 12 hours

#The Earth spins.
rotation displacement = diameter Earth = 7.93 x 10^3 miles

#How far, in degrees, the Earth moved along its orbit.
#It moves 360° in 365 days.
#360°/365 in one day.
#And 360°/(365x2) in half a day.
orbit displacement angle = 360° / (365 x 2) = 0.493°

#Convert orbital degrees to lateral motion.
#Some more right-angle trigonometry.
#Radius of Earth's orbit = 93 million miles.
orbit displacement = sin(0.493°) x 93.0 x 10^6 miles = 8.00 x 10^5 miles

#Total displacement (orbit + rotation).
#Note the orbital displacement dominates the displacement due to Earth's rotation.
displacement = 8.00 x 10^5 miles + 7.93 x 10^3 miles = 8.08 x 10^5 miles

#Final calculation!
parallax angle = arctan( displacement / distance )
= arctan( 8.08 x 10^5 miles / 5.88 x 10^12 miles )
= 7.87 x 10^-6°

Or in English terms, approximately 8 millionths of a degree!

Conclusion
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I don't care how nice the smart phone on your camera is, you aren't going to see any parallax on a 12-hour time lapse video of the night sky taken from your backyard.

Citations:
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[1]: https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=65f9e88d087db
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZMZtq0qfY
[3]: https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=65f3085348086


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[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.1 yearsMar 19, 2024 23:56:10 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] chrimony [op] 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 00:05:34 ago (+3/-1)

Now add in the wildly varying distances of the stars being viewed. And let's do the math for 1000 of them, and see what that looks like, eh?

Flattard doesn't understand that I chose 1 light year because the closest star is ~4 light years away, and that if you can't detect parallax at 1 light year, you aren't going to detect it for any stars.

YOU do the calculations for 1,000 of them. All you're going to see are numbers even smaller, flattard.

The unchanging night sky disagrees with your monkey math.

Flattard monkey can't explain half the night sky. Two poles on a spherical Earth, one pole in Flattard Land. The math shows parallax is not detectable in a 12-hour period. Real astronomers do detect parallax using a 6-month window.

[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 00:07:20 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] UncleDoug 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 00:50:49 ago (+2/-0)

“All tof he planets are observably spherical, except Earth” ~ BushCuck

[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 10:09:17 ago (+0/-1)

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[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 10:24:58 ago (+1/-1)

Ohh so you think all of the planets are flat then, not just Earth?

[ - ] deleted -2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 10:25:50 ago (+0/-2)

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[ - ] chrimony [op] 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 00:12:39 ago (+2/-2)

Whatever helps you cope, flattard. You don't need to be a Jesuit to point your camera at the night sky in Australia and hit Record.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 01:23:33 ago (+1/-1)

Animals have been tromping around the dirt for 6,000 years.
You ever stomp on a sand castle? It goes flat.
Same as the Earf.
The Earf was tromped flat by elephants and horses and ferrets stomping around for thousands of years.

Checkmate Gaytheists!

[ - ] chrimony [op] 3 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 02:01:26 ago (+3/-0)

We are living on the back of the Great Turtle. The Shell withstands all.

[ - ] McNasty -3 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 02:48:10 ago (+0/-3)

I don't care how nice the smart phone on your camera is, you aren't going to see any parallax on a 12-hour time lapse video of the night sky taken from your backyard.

The definition of parallax:

the effect whereby the position or direction of an object appears to differ when viewed from different positions,

That dumb faggot @chrimony doesn't realize that the star trails are observations of the stars apparent movement from the moving perspective of your position on a supposedly spinning Earth.

[ - ] chrimony [op] 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 07:05:19 ago (+2/-1)

flattard keeps confusing rotation with parallax

Ok, flattard.

[ - ] McNasty -1 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 07:06:35 ago (+1/-2)

You're the retard. Now go clog a chimney.

[ - ] McNasty -2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 03:03:57 ago (+1/-3)

Right-angle trigonometry.

Needs to be on a flat surface, hence "right-angle."

Distance to the star. Flattards ignore how big this number is.

Lol. The faggot thinks that stars can be far enough away to where you wouldn't notice the star trails at night.

The lateral motion of an observer on Earth.

The observer would move 12450 miles in 12hr. Apparently that's not enough to see a star trail for @chrimony

The Earth spins.

As retarded as that is, yea The claim is that it spins a thousand miles per hour at the equator, which would mean that it should spin less when you're closer to the poles. Do we see a different apparent length traveled in Star trails from the equator to the poles?

Convert orbital degrees to lateral motion.
Some more right-angle trigonometry.

Yes. Or math that needs to be done on a flat plane.

Note the orbital displacement dominates the displacement due to Earth's rotation.

Lol. It's all movement. It should all have its own parallax.

Final calculation!
parallax angle = arctan( displacement / distance )
= arctan( 8.08 x 10^5 miles / 5.88 x 10^12 miles )
= 7.87 x 10^-6°

Lol. Space is fake and gay. All those numbers are made up fairy tales.

A million bucks says @chrimony has no fuckin idea how to solve his own number salad.

[ - ] chrimony [op] 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 07:37:01 ago (+2/-0)

Needs to be on a flat surface, hence "right-angle."

Flattard doesn't understand how 3 points in 3d space makes a plane. Claims to have been an animator for video games. Ok, flattard.

The faggot thinks that stars can be far enough away to where you wouldn't notice the star trails at night.

Can you walk a foot sideways and measure the parallax for a candle a mile away with the camera on your smart phone? No.

As retarded as that is, yea The claim is that it spins a thousand miles per hour at the equator, which would mean that it should spin less when you're closer to the poles. Do we see a different apparent length traveled in Star trails from the equator to the poles?

Flattard doesn't understand rotation and angular velocity. The angular velocity is the same at the poles and the equator. mind blown

It's all movement. It should all have its own parallax.

Flattard doesn't understand adding two distances together.

A million bucks says chrimony has no fuckin idea how to solve his own number salad.

Flattard is too dumb to realize the final number I gave is the solution.

Well flattard, I did the math you couldn't. This post will now serve as the replied link any time you claim we should see parallax in star trails. Now remember, two poles on a spherical Earth, one in Flattard Land!

[ - ] McNasty -1 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 08:41:38 ago (+1/-2)

Flattard doesn't understand how 3 points in 3d space makes a plane.

Lol. Did you forget about the curve?

[ - ] chrimony [op] 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 08:47:17 ago (+2/-0)

What curve, flattard? The observer is the 1st point. The star is the 2nd. The 3rd is the observer after moving. Three points make a plane in 3d space.

[ - ] deleted -2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 10:11:10 ago (+0/-2)

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[ - ] gat 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 07:18:35 ago (+1/-0)

Math is reality..

[ - ] chrimony [op] 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 20, 2024 07:21:10 ago (+2/-0)

I have 1 apple. My friend gives me another apple. I have 2 apples!

Oh, that's just math. In reality who knows how many apples I have. Counting is for nerds.