This phenomenon is way too common, and seeing people right in the middle of doing the thing they say they have a problem with and not being able to realize it means that I could be doing the same thing too. But it must not be perceivable from the inside looking in.
I don't want to give any concrete examples here because people will get distracted and derail the topic at hand. So I'll give some later if need be.
I've tried numerous times throughout the years to get people to give me feedback about things I do, but they just look at me funny and go back to drinking or doing drugs and can't even maintain a thought process, so that's no good. Are there any tricks to teasing out any behaviors one has like this with minimal outside help? Do i need to vlog my daily doings?
Are there any tricks to teasing out any behaviors one has like this with minimal outside help
Yes, very simple. Before you do anything, do nothing first.
If while doing nothing you feel a need, craving, or compulsion to act, then this indicates the desired action is originating from your conditions of conciousness ("if this stimulus, then that reponse") and not from a spontaneous free will. Whether the former happens to be "wrong" is up to you, but the fact of your behaviour being bound by conditioning is not. This is the technical defintion of "sin".
Couldn't natural impulses crop up as well? I suppose conditioning could exacerbate them though. Good idea though. And not that I think about it.... when I'm sitting bored, taking a dump or going to sleep I already think of these things, which could explain why I suspect I'm either not doing these things or they're so subtle that they blend in with the noise around me
[ - ] aekotra 1 point 1.3 yearsFeb 17, 2024 17:58:25 ago (+1/-0)*
Couldn't natural impulses crop up as well? I suppose conditioning could exacerbate them though
Yes, and by doing this you will begin to separate the conditions of the body with those of the mind.
The basic difference is that responses of the body have no emotional content. But because everyone identifies the body with the self, the natural process of the body become mixed with the emotional conditioning. The classic example of this is the sensation of hunger. The vast majority of people have never experience genuine hunger as communicated by the body which is not at all related to feelings of need or craving. They feel miserable or anxious and then eat to get rid of the feeling.
If you were to apply our technique ("do nothing first") to hunger and go without eating, you will find that initial feeling of "hunger" to be at first painful and miserable which compels eating. It's easy to say "This is natural, normal, scientific, etc". You could succumb to these beleifs, eat to end the discomfort, and remain as you are. On the other hand, should you continue with this "nothing" then something interesting might occur. The uncomfortable sensation may tranform or vanish all together. You might see that this initial "hunger" was fraudulent and had nothing to do with the actual nutrient requirements of body. And then in later stages of the fast, you may experience the real hunger of the body which is just a gentle sensation and intuition which is not compulsive or uncomfortable at all.
But to extinguish a condition, the approach is everything. If you say, "I will not eat" or "I will overcome hunger" then this is just more conditioning. By resisting your nature, you create a new nature which suppresses the old one. You have the same conditions as before, you just added one to hide another and now you are bound to deal with new consquences. Now you require more and more "will power" to maintain your desired state of "beating hunger", further binding yourself. Meanwhile, your craving condition remains the same but now manifests in different ways and times. Any apparent "victories" are only temporal. This is how the average person "deals" with their conditions.
But if instead you say for example, "Hunger can do what it wants with me" then this is something else. You have not said what should or should not happen and this is the key. If you are busy trying to change yourself, acquire some end result, or endure/ignore a discomfort, it obviously can't be described as "doing nothing". But because you no longer act on the hunger, misery, discomfort, or anything else that might arise in the process, this breaks the continuity of the condition. It is starved of its life blood (ie. your "will") and it vanishes. What has always been "normal" is suddenly absent. And the approach is the same for any and all conditions.
Anyway, until one actually begins experimenting with what I've described it's just a silly story. But if a spiritual practice is worth anything, then it can demonstrate its effectiveness on demand. For example, if I am annoyed by something then I should be able to take that experience into the practice and transcend it completely. Which means when I recall the experience or if I encounter the same situation again, no annoyance arises in me at all. Not because I've managed or justified it somehow, but because the condition itself is absent. Therefore, if a spiritual practice cannot do this then it must be trash, throw it out. What use is it? Either an actual unbinding takes place or it doesn't. No maintenance is required on an untied knot; the whole thing is finished. So, a practice that encounters the same knots repeatedly is not a practice at all but just a worthless belief system. Therefore, only practical beings will be interested in what is written here.
It's difficult to see ones own flaws, or you probably wouldn't have them.
Something someone else said about trying to do nothing and see what surfaces in my mind made me realize the second clause of your sentence is either entirely the case or anything residual thoughts are so faint given my environment that it blends in with the noise of everything else going on. Though, that doesn't mean me eliminating that minute behavior can't have huge effects. Hmmmmmmmmmm, that might explain times in my life where I totally exited a situation it seemed have a lasting effect.
A man and his son were going to market to sell their donkey. The old man was riding the donkey and the son was walking. Passers by said the old man ought to be ashamed. So the old man got off and the son got on. Same thing happened, so they both got on the donkey. The next passers by were outraged at the cruelty to a dumb animal so the father and son got off the donkey and carried it. The townspeole laughed so hard t freaked out the donkey who balked and ended up in the river drowned to death and no longer sellable.
You sound like you are about to go down the narricist rabbit hole. Technology feminism and liberalism have created female narricist in record numbers. It's alarming when you read about narricism then start to see it in real life every where.
Narriciwt are never wrong in their mind and are always the victim.
The biggest problem is they believe their own lies that's how they gas light their closest people knowingly or unknowingly is the question.
Read about it you will start to notice it everywhere.
Also jews are fucking the worst narricist on the planet. Black pimps might be the most overt example. White Christian women who are liberal are the worst covert narcs on the planet
You've misunderstood. More like someone who says "I hate passive aggressive people" and then is regularly passive aggressive. Behavioral hypocrisy is I believe what OP is referring to.
That they're all either drinking alcohols or doing drugs might be an important clue. Could be less hypocrisy and more obliviousness. I dunno, I think concrete examples are needed if we're going to cure this guy.
The OP is referring to a phenomenon where I have seen people, who are not the thing they're complaining about, talk so much about some behavior or person they dislike that they start performing that behavior or becoming that person, unintentionally. Perhaps what these people are doing is a combination of mental functions competing for which wrong solution they come to.
As a concrete example, I have known guys who will say they want a wife, not necessarily children all the time (but that goes down the tubes with the wife part that they self sabotage), and they will get a girl and profess to everyone that they're basically forcing her to go to college and get this or that job and every other micro behavior that goes along with these things. The data clearly shows that as women are forced into education and the workforce, they get married less and delay child birth or have no children. So they get the situation they want, then they are the one to blow it all up from the inside like they're Larry Silverstein.
I don't think this is psychological projection, but rather them simply being the source of their own problems. I have seen many, many guys do this and they really pull out the manipulative tactics to force the woman into the least optimal mindset for them, and they do eat shit when she gets where he wanted her to go.
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Yes, very simple. Before you do anything, do nothing first.
If while doing nothing you feel a need, craving, or compulsion to act, then this indicates the desired action is originating from your conditions of conciousness ("if this stimulus, then that reponse") and not from a spontaneous free will. Whether the former happens to be "wrong" is up to you, but the fact of your behaviour being bound by conditioning is not. This is the technical defintion of "sin".
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Couldn't natural impulses crop up as well? I suppose conditioning could exacerbate them though. Good idea though. And not that I think about it.... when I'm sitting bored, taking a dump or going to sleep I already think of these things, which could explain why I suspect I'm either not doing these things or they're so subtle that they blend in with the noise around me
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[ - ] aekotra 1 point 1.3 yearsFeb 17, 2024 17:58:25 ago (+1/-0)*
Yes, and by doing this you will begin to separate the conditions of the body with those of the mind.
The basic difference is that responses of the body have no emotional content. But because everyone identifies the body with the self, the natural process of the body become mixed with the emotional conditioning. The classic example of this is the sensation of hunger. The vast majority of people have never experience genuine hunger as communicated by the body which is not at all related to feelings of need or craving. They feel miserable or anxious and then eat to get rid of the feeling.
If you were to apply our technique ("do nothing first") to hunger and go without eating, you will find that initial feeling of "hunger" to be at first painful and miserable which compels eating. It's easy to say "This is natural, normal, scientific, etc". You could succumb to these beleifs, eat to end the discomfort, and remain as you are. On the other hand, should you continue with this "nothing" then something interesting might occur. The uncomfortable sensation may tranform or vanish all together. You might see that this initial "hunger" was fraudulent and had nothing to do with the actual nutrient requirements of body. And then in later stages of the fast, you may experience the real hunger of the body which is just a gentle sensation and intuition which is not compulsive or uncomfortable at all.
But to extinguish a condition, the approach is everything. If you say, "I will not eat" or "I will overcome hunger" then this is just more conditioning. By resisting your nature, you create a new nature which suppresses the old one. You have the same conditions as before, you just added one to hide another and now you are bound to deal with new consquences. Now you require more and more "will power" to maintain your desired state of "beating hunger", further binding yourself. Meanwhile, your craving condition remains the same but now manifests in different ways and times. Any apparent "victories" are only temporal. This is how the average person "deals" with their conditions.
But if instead you say for example, "Hunger can do what it wants with me" then this is something else. You have not said what should or should not happen and this is the key. If you are busy trying to change yourself, acquire some end result, or endure/ignore a discomfort, it obviously can't be described as "doing nothing". But because you no longer act on the hunger, misery, discomfort, or anything else that might arise in the process, this breaks the continuity of the condition. It is starved of its life blood (ie. your "will") and it vanishes. What has always been "normal" is suddenly absent. And the approach is the same for any and all conditions.
Anyway, until one actually begins experimenting with what I've described it's just a silly story. But if a spiritual practice is worth anything, then it can demonstrate its effectiveness on demand. For example, if I am annoyed by something then I should be able to take that experience into the practice and transcend it completely. Which means when I recall the experience or if I encounter the same situation again, no annoyance arises in me at all. Not because I've managed or justified it somehow, but because the condition itself is absent. Therefore, if a spiritual practice cannot do this then it must be trash, throw it out. What use is it? Either an actual unbinding takes place or it doesn't. No maintenance is required on an untied knot; the whole thing is finished. So, a practice that encounters the same knots repeatedly is not a practice at all but just a worthless belief system. Therefore, only practical beings will be interested in what is written here.
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The writing is abstract. Is that what you mean? I wouldn't describe it myself as incoherent
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Something someone else said about trying to do nothing and see what surfaces in my mind made me realize the second clause of your sentence is either entirely the case or anything residual thoughts are so faint given my environment that it blends in with the noise of everything else going on. Though, that doesn't mean me eliminating that minute behavior can't have huge effects. Hmmmmmmmmmm, that might explain times in my life where I totally exited a situation it seemed have a lasting effect.
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WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
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Narriciwt are never wrong in their mind and are always the victim.
The biggest problem is they believe their own lies that's how they gas light their closest people knowingly or unknowingly is the question.
Read about it you will start to notice it everywhere.
Also jews are fucking the worst narricist on the planet. Black pimps might be the most overt example. White Christian women who are liberal are the worst covert narcs on the planet
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https://iv.nboeck.de/watch?v=bueFTrwHFEs
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Or more like that old joke card where the woman is clutching her forehead, saying, "OMG, I forgot to have children!"
What makes you think you have multiple personalities and what is it you think the others are doing?
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see here for concrete example https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=65cfe789b475f&commentid=65d118f850063
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I don't think this is psychological projection, but rather them simply being the source of their own problems. I have seen many, many guys do this and they really pull out the manipulative tactics to force the woman into the least optimal mindset for them, and they do eat shit when she gets where he wanted her to go.