And thus the people get used to being controlled by their government. You will work for the right to be owned by the government and pay them, eat the bugs, own nothing, and take pharmaceuticals to be happy.
How is it you propose it is deployed? 1000s of miles of border, then getting it there, getting it deployed and all that fuel, logistics, man power, just billions it would cost.
All for them to find a place so remote they can place something over top of the wire and walk across that you would find after 1000s used it.
Short of using every active member of our military to secure the border you can't expect a single amount of headway.
Added that laws say only specific nations citizens we are allowed to return.
How is it you propose it is deployed? 1000s of miles of border, then getting it there, getting it deployed and all that fuel, logistics, man power, just billions it would cost.
All very good questions that can and should be asked.
I ran some averages. The razorwire in question, averages $2.90 a foot.
If we identify the 20% of miles of border that is responsible for 80% of crossings, lets assume it works out to just 20% of the border (probably less in practice, due to terrain concerns, geography, closeness to highways and towns, etc). But for the sake of self-hamstringing, we want an upperbound.
Assume political cover only in texas, thats 1200mi of border. We'll need about 240 miles of razor wire.
Assume multiple layers (2-3) plus a few replacements.
Lets say for every foot of this 240 miles, we'll need about five feet of razor wire, or $14.5
Right now we're just figuring out the material cost, which is a good start. Lets say with handling and shipping and bulk discounts, the total material price is $14.88 per foot of border.
With 5280 ft in a mile, and 240 miles to cover, we need 1,267,200 ft of razorwire, times five.
Our cost basis is already calculated for that x5 multiple, so 1.2672 mil ft * 14.88 = $18,855,936
Very doable.
Assume instead we cover just the 10% most visible, nearest towns, the ones that will make the most impact and garner the most support from the unavoidable conflict (political, idealogical, etc) that our doing this would attract.
The project comes in at under $2 million for materials cost, assuming volunteers, which with a recruitment NGO and proper marketing becomes a non-issue.
Looking at the initial numbers this looks perfectly doable. Thanks for asking, otherwise I wouldn't have dug deeper.
Ok you are thinking that a supplier or multiple suppliers will not converse as to the depletion of stock in razor wire?
You also didn't account for the logistics aspect of how much weight that is to carry, how many of the ways to these places are not paved roads. Meaning you will need all wheel drive vehicles and deployment means within those areas, you will need fuel for the skid steers, you will need food, housing, water?
This will be 10s of millions and take months to plan, months to execute and manage turnover, theft.
You got to pay these people as well. Because ain't none of them gonna do this for free. You will need security too, because no doubt you will be impeding drug routes, and they won't allow it.
You will need air support to maintain security as well. You will need medical care because of wildlife alone.
[ - ] prototype 1 point 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 14:17:17 ago (+1/-0)*
Ok you are thinking that a supplier or multiple suppliers will not converse as to the depletion of stock in razor wire?
You also didn't account for the logistics aspect of how much weight that is to carry, how many of the ways to these places are not paved roads. Meaning you will need all wheel drive vehicles and deployment means within those areas, you will need fuel for the skid steers, you will need food, housing, water? This will be 10s of millions and take months to plan, months to execute and manage turnover, theft.
Good thinking. You've thought some of this through. You can be loss prevention.
Double the cost of the initial project based on liability and litigation. No publicity is bad publicity.
Months is a small price to pay. What are you thinking, once its off the ground, six months to execute deployment of the project?
You got to pay these people as well. Because ain't none of them gonna do this for free.
I agree some paid contractors will be necessary. We can solicit companies and contractors who are feeling particularly aggrieved about the border. Plenty of them in america.
You will need security too, because no doubt you will be impeding drug routes, and they won't allow it.
This is a big one. Good thing it's taken care of. We'll need point-of-contact people in the texas national guard and state police. Also a group to do volunteer management for the security force.
You will need medical care because of wildlife alone.
Not sure about this and not my area of expertise.
A lot of this depends on how many volunteers and paid contractors are needed and the timelines.
In terms of cost overruns and theft I don't actually think those will be a huge issue. The big thing will be organizing under some sort of NGO nonprofit. That way we have discretion to let volunteers, and paid volunteers go, or promote, based on competence instead of any woke shit that corporations deal with.
Bigger issue is market stranglepoints like suppliers colluding to raise prices.
Fixed through nonprofits or shell orgs buying 'small' quantities of razor wire. Bonus points for using it as a litmus test to out any companies impeding the protection of the border, so we can out them and they lose business. Do that once or twice, watch the others come around real quick, especially when they think they can steal market share based on publicity/being anti-woke.
I wonder if shell creation/purchasing contracts can be semi-automated so we can purchase/transfer materials and anything else necessary rapidly. File the nonprofits en mass, structure them under other shells, stagger purchase orders for razor wire on a specific timetable, and then spontaneously close/merge the nonprofits to transfer material assets in order to build up the equipment/materials. Just a line of speculation, would have to look at the legality of doing something like that, naturally.
Good thinking. You've thought some of this through. You can be loss prevention.
I have friends that are project managers for wind farms, and many others that handle large construction projects for power distribution and natural gas delivery.
Double the cost of the initial project based on liability and litigation. No publicity is bad publicity.
Publicity doesn't pay the electric bill, doesn't pay for daycare or groceries. You need a big pile of money.
Months is a small price to pay. What are you thinking, once its off the ground, six months to execute deployment of the project?
I think this is a stupid and pointless fucking discussion myself. Mainly because it would require too many like minded people that do not exist.
I agree some paid contractors will be necessary. We can solicit companies and contractors who are feeling particularly aggrieved about the border. Plenty of them in america.
Willpower and determination don't keep the lights on, the cell phones ringing.
This is a big one. Good thing it's taken care of. We'll need point-of-contact people in the texas national guard and state police. Also a group to do volunteer management for the security force.
What is it you think the non border patrol is doing down there? You think that because the cameras don't show people under that bridge they sent them back where they came from?
Border patrol still releases these fucks and processes them just the same as if they apprehended them and not someone else.
These migrants are purpose running into the arms of whomever is at the border to greet them. They say they are from whatever nation is allowed amnesty on the easiest reasons.
Nothing changed, this is a political election year.
Not sure about this and not my area of expertise.
Rattlesnakes, coral snakes, venomous shit that can kill you is out there. I been there, and there ain't no people to displace them. So the snakes have what is called a hibertorium or dens... 1000s of the mofos.
I have a better idea.
Remove the incentive these people have to come here, America is known all over the world as the strongest military and softest population.
Stop paying taxes. That costs no one anything, matter fact people will keep their own money.
This requires solidarity. No effort and far easier.
sorry, the fact that texas isn't seizing the opportunity to fight the feds here is insane. if only A FEW shots were exchanged, that would ignite a wildfire and probably civil war
What is it you think the Texas national guard is doing with the border jumpers?
I really really don't belive any of you know.
You think they are sending them back? Because they are not...they are detaining them in a holding area away from the border so it is less visible.
The border patrol is doing the same shit they would have done if the national guard wasn't there. Processing them and then releasing them with a phone and start up money.
Have a single one of you not wondered why the border jumpers walk right up to the razor wire and not 4 miles away where there is no forces to oppose them?
It is because nothing changed other than a method allowed to cheer republican politicians.
The recent development that gives them the ability to cut razor wire is for democrats to cheer reprisal and appeal to their empathy.
300,000 illegals captured and released in December alone! That is the ones they got...imagine how many got away in all that border.
Starting in March, Texas will allow police to arrest migrants who enter the state illegally and give local judges the authority to order them out of the country. The new law comes two years after Texas launched a smaller-scale operation to arrest migrants for trespassing. But although that operation was also intended to stem illegal crossings, there is little indication that it has done so.
So in March. Which is after primaries? Interesting isn't it.
Right now they are detaining them for border security. But I am sure you knew that since you can use such grand terms like "willful ignorance" to make yourself seem like some authority?
[ + ] ilikeskittles
[ - ] ilikeskittles 3 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 08:25:07 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper 0 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 17:58:34 ago (+0/-0)
https://thepostmillennial.com/texas-installs-more-razor-wire-on-eagle-pass-border-after-supreme-court-said-biden-could-remove-it
[ + ] 2Drunk
[ - ] 2Drunk 2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 11:19:17 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 11:11:17 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 08:14:10 ago (+3/-1)
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname -3 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 09:44:46 ago (+1/-4)
All for them to find a place so remote they can place something over top of the wire and walk across that you would find after 1000s used it.
Short of using every active member of our military to secure the border you can't expect a single amount of headway.
Added that laws say only specific nations citizens we are allowed to return.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 3 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 10:50:48 ago (+3/-0)
All very good questions that can and should be asked.
I ran some averages. The razorwire in question, averages $2.90 a foot.
If we identify the 20% of miles of border that is responsible for 80% of crossings, lets assume it works out to just 20% of the border (probably less in practice, due to terrain concerns, geography, closeness to highways and towns, etc). But for the sake of self-hamstringing, we want an upperbound.
Assume political cover only in texas, thats 1200mi of border. We'll need about 240 miles of razor wire.
Assume multiple layers (2-3) plus a few replacements.
Lets say for every foot of this 240 miles, we'll need about five feet of razor wire, or $14.5
Right now we're just figuring out the material cost, which is a good start. Lets say with handling and shipping and bulk discounts, the total material price is $14.88 per foot of border.
With 5280 ft in a mile, and 240 miles to cover, we need 1,267,200 ft of razorwire, times five.
Our cost basis is already calculated for that x5 multiple, so 1.2672 mil ft * 14.88 = $18,855,936
Very doable.
Assume instead we cover just the 10% most visible, nearest towns, the ones that will make the most impact and garner the most support from the unavoidable conflict (political, idealogical, etc) that our doing this would attract.
The project comes in at under $2 million for materials cost, assuming volunteers, which with a recruitment NGO and proper marketing becomes a non-issue.
Looking at the initial numbers this looks perfectly doable. Thanks for asking, otherwise I wouldn't have dug deeper.
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname 0 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 10:52:24 ago (+1/-1)
I see what you did there.
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname 0 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 12:29:57 ago (+1/-1)
You also didn't account for the logistics aspect of how much weight that is to carry, how many of the ways to these places are not paved roads. Meaning you will need all wheel drive vehicles and deployment means within those areas, you will need fuel for the skid steers, you will need food, housing, water?
This will be 10s of millions and take months to plan, months to execute and manage turnover, theft.
You got to pay these people as well. Because ain't none of them gonna do this for free. You will need security too, because no doubt you will be impeding drug routes, and they won't allow it.
You will need air support to maintain security as well. You will need medical care because of wildlife alone.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 1 point 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 14:17:17 ago (+1/-0)*
This will be 10s of millions and take months to plan, months to execute and manage turnover, theft.
Good thinking. You've thought some of this through. You can be loss prevention.
Double the cost of the initial project based on liability and litigation. No publicity is bad publicity.
Months is a small price to pay. What are you thinking, once its off the ground, six months to execute deployment of the project?
I agree some paid contractors will be necessary. We can solicit companies and contractors who are feeling particularly aggrieved about the border. Plenty of them in america.
This is a big one. Good thing it's taken care of. We'll need point-of-contact people in the texas national guard and state police. Also a group to do volunteer management for the security force.
Not sure about this and not my area of expertise.
A lot of this depends on how many volunteers and paid contractors are needed and the timelines.
In terms of cost overruns and theft I don't actually think those will be a huge issue. The big thing will be organizing under some sort of NGO nonprofit. That way we have discretion to let volunteers, and paid volunteers go, or promote, based on competence instead of any woke shit that corporations deal with.
Bigger issue is market stranglepoints like suppliers colluding to raise prices.
Fixed through nonprofits or shell orgs buying 'small' quantities of razor wire. Bonus points for using it as a litmus test to out any companies impeding the protection of the border, so we can out them and they lose business. Do that once or twice, watch the others come around real quick, especially when they think they can steal market share based on publicity/being anti-woke.
I wonder if shell creation/purchasing contracts can be semi-automated so we can purchase/transfer materials and anything else necessary rapidly. File the nonprofits en mass, structure them under other shells, stagger purchase orders for razor wire on a specific timetable, and then spontaneously close/merge the nonprofits to transfer material assets in order to build up the equipment/materials. Just a line of speculation, would have to look at the legality of doing something like that, naturally.
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname -1 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 15:54:38 ago (+0/-1)
I have friends that are project managers for wind farms, and many others that handle large construction projects for power distribution and natural gas delivery.
Publicity doesn't pay the electric bill, doesn't pay for daycare or groceries. You need a big pile of money.
I think this is a stupid and pointless fucking discussion myself. Mainly because it would require too many like minded people that do not exist.
Willpower and determination don't keep the lights on, the cell phones ringing.
What is it you think the non border patrol is doing down there? You think that because the cameras don't show people under that bridge they sent them back where they came from?
Border patrol still releases these fucks and processes them just the same as if they apprehended them and not someone else.
These migrants are purpose running into the arms of whomever is at the border to greet them. They say they are from whatever nation is allowed amnesty on the easiest reasons.
Nothing changed, this is a political election year.
Rattlesnakes, coral snakes, venomous shit that can kill you is out there. I been there, and there ain't no people to displace them. So the snakes have what is called a hibertorium or dens... 1000s of the mofos.
I have a better idea.
Remove the incentive these people have to come here, America is known all over the world as the strongest military and softest population.
Stop paying taxes. That costs no one anything, matter fact people will keep their own money.
This requires solidarity. No effort and far easier.
[ + ] iThinkiShitYourself
[ - ] iThinkiShitYourself 0 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 20:43:27 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname 0 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 09:40:36 ago (+2/-2)
I really really don't belive any of you know.
You think they are sending them back? Because they are not...they are detaining them in a holding area away from the border so it is less visible.
The border patrol is doing the same shit they would have done if the national guard wasn't there. Processing them and then releasing them with a phone and start up money.
Have a single one of you not wondered why the border jumpers walk right up to the razor wire and not 4 miles away where there is no forces to oppose them?
It is because nothing changed other than a method allowed to cheer republican politicians.
The recent development that gives them the ability to cut razor wire is for democrats to cheer reprisal and appeal to their empathy.
300,000 illegals captured and released in December alone! That is the ones they got...imagine how many got away in all that border.
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper 1 point 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 18:01:30 ago (+1/-0)
Or maybe you weren't. There is such a thing as "willful ignorance".
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname -1 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 18:10:39 ago (+0/-1)
Let me look up what that means.
[ + ] Oldguynewname
[ - ] Oldguynewname -2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 18:13:44 ago (+0/-2)
From here
https://apnews.com/article/texas-immigration-law-border-b0100138a88a0d034ae8e68787ef41b7
So in March. Which is after primaries? Interesting isn't it.
Right now they are detaining them for border security. But I am sure you knew that since you can use such grand terms like "willful ignorance" to make yourself seem like some authority?
[ + ] Conspirologist
[ - ] Conspirologist -2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 07:13:54 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] iSnark
[ - ] iSnark 2 points 3 monthsJan 24, 2024 07:17:27 ago (+2/-0)