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It is hard to conceptualize the amount of infrastructure needed to deliver gasoline to your vehicle and electricity to your home. Link in description.

submitted by bossman131 to random 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 09:34:23 ago (+15/-0)     (files.catbox.moe)

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Section 3: Indirect Subsidies and
Socialized Infrastructure Costs
It is hard to conceptualize the amount of infrastructure
needed to deliver gasoline to your vehicle and electricity to
your home. Starting with extracting oil from the ground,
transporting it, refining it, transporting it to a gas station,
and finally building and maintaining the gas station, a tremendous amount of work is included in the price of the gas
you buy at the pump. Similarly, bringing electricity to an EV
charging port involves extracting the base fuel, converting it
to electricity at a power plant, and transporting that electricity long distances to the charger. Figure 3 is an attempt to
put all that infrastructure onto a single diagram, although it
far understates the complexities of these operations.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf


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[ - ] Anus_Expander -1 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 12:20:06 ago (+1/-2)

The diagram is retarded. The first one says 'NG DRILLING, which looks like 'NO DRILLING'. I had to read it several times. And, most power plants burn oil to make juice, not natural gas. Also, the trapezoids are of different sizes.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 12:27:25 ago (+1/-0)

And, most power plants burn oil to make juice

That's not even remotely true. They use gas powered steam turbines. The "oil" does not make "juice". Gas provides thermal energy necessary to create steam which is effectively the energy source. If we could somehow drill into the earth's crust and build a pipeline down there to divert water for the purpose of using that heat to create steam, there would be no need for an external source of thermal energy.

[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 12:30:18 ago (+1/-0)

Gas, oil, whatever. It is burned to make heat etc. Having NG for e-cars on one diagram, and oil for ICE cars on the other, is fuckin stupid.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 12:42:29 ago (+0/-0)

I agree with you there. Most us domestic cars use a lot of Mexican and Chinese parts and many are made in Mexico. Lots of NG is burned to produce electricity to make all of this.

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 19:34:42 ago (+0/-0)

natural gas is not petroleum oil, and around here we still use coal

[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 22, 2024 16:52:36 ago (+0/-0)

its all related

[ - ] TomMacdonald 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 13:44:23 ago (+1/-0)

Most burn coal

[ - ] Sector2 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 17:43:16 ago (+1/-0)

We do drill into the earth's crust and build a pipeline down there to divert water for the purpose of using that heat to create steam. Mainly in places the heat is closer to the surface, like near volcanoes and places with hot springs.

[ - ] peety 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 13:19:16 ago (+0/-0)

For electric, what is being processed and is electric used to transport what is being processed or petroleum?

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 19:27:06 ago (+0/-0)

Now do all the mining required for the rare earth metals.

[ - ] SocksOnCats 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 11:14:58 ago (+1/-0)

There’s actually a bit more on the EV side because the ore for the batteries is processed twice in two different locations.

Also, the effort on the EV side is greater because the ore is transported much further than oil, and because the energy density of the materials is lower (although that’s more of an end result).

There’s something else wrong with the EV side but it’s early and I can’t remember.

But here’s the thing: electric vehicles are the way to go, but our battery tech is terrible and definitely not ready for mainstream. We’re still a long way off there.

[ - ] Nosferatjew 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 11:46:55 ago (+1/-0)

Why are the trapezoids for the fuel diagram shorter in length than the trapezoids for the EV diagram? Why are they not all the same length?

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 19:33:18 ago (+0/-0)

for effect

[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 13:24:25 ago (+1/-0)

It's hard to imagine an apple

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 19:35:30 ago (+0/-0)

It's hard to imagine what I would feel like if I didn't have breakfast this morning.

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 1 point 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 15:59:13 ago (+1/-0)

Coming home from yet another stint killing muds in a shithole, I've often contemplated a question that gets asked these days. "What is civilization?"

For me, it's a simple thing to answer. Hot, on-demand, clean water.

As a thankfulness exercise, try thinking of all the people needed to bring this wonderful marker of civilization to you when you next shower.

There's a lot of people involved. From power generation, coal mines, iron mines, steelwork, linemen, plumbers, etc etc. Hard work by men paying for their women and children.

Places that you can't get hot, on-demand, clean water tend to not be very civilized. Because they can't support the network of hard-working men for whatever reason. This breaks down society, and civilization, in many ways.

[ - ] prominent_proboscis 2 points 1.3 yearsJan 21, 2024 13:22:08 ago (+2/-0)

more middlemen + less efficiency = more tax revenue for pedophile zog