Moreover, the subsequent variations of trials and the experiment subject responses showed that people obeyed not because they lacked the moral resources, but because they wanted to do the right thing. E.g. when there were two experimenters arguing how much the Teacher should shock the Learner, compliance dropped to zero.
Which is why all the dissenting experts had to be censored during the lockdowns.
No, "psychological or moral resources" implies the subjects lacked something within themselves necessary to do the right thing.
The experimenters used 4 phrases, in order, to encourage the Teacher to continue the shocks if they hesitated.
"Please continue." "The experiment requires that you continue." "It is absolutely essential that you continue." "You have no other choice, Teacher."
Only the last is really an order, and if it ever got to that point, compliance dropped to zero.
People have plenty of personal, psychological, moral, whatever resources within themselves with which to resist tyrannical orders.
What they don't always have is a good grasp of the information about their surroundings. They also got different results when they tried the experiment in a shittier part of town than they did at Yale. People can be lied to and misled. That's not moral failing, at least not the first time. The saying goes fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me once is shame on the fucking propagandist.
Yeah the different variations of trials are interesting.
But to clarify, sure, it's a deep cut to know that every Psych 101 class in the country teaches Milgram dead wrong. The OP didn't even get the baseline trial numbers right, and it's blackpill bullshit. Reality is far more of a workable situation, if more complex and nuanced.
That also includes "republicans" (not the politicians) that claim to love freedom, but immediately drop to their knees and gobble cop dick. There's nothing the police do that they won't support. Remember the dumbass pig that fired a Taser at a gas station, causing another pig and the "suspect" to get burned? Some retards supported that. How about Philip Brailsford murdering Daniel Shaver in a hallway while crawling in his underwear, trying to pull them up?
Sadly, defying government orders and critical thinking are two different things. Some people are just too stupid for abstract thinking and some people are doing opposite just out of spite.
This is what I was thinking, that the defiers had just previously deferred to a different or 'higher' authority, and still hadn't thought critically about the situation.
Actually, the Phoenicians were the ones sacrificing their babies and influencing everyone to do the same - the “voices in their head” were the ones who stopped such practices.
[ + ] parrygrin
[ - ] parrygrin 3 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 09:25:22 ago (+4/-1)
Moreover, the subsequent variations of trials and the experiment subject responses showed that people obeyed not because they lacked the moral resources, but because they wanted to do the right thing. E.g. when there were two experimenters arguing how much the Teacher should shock the Learner, compliance dropped to zero.
Which is why all the dissenting experts had to be censored during the lockdowns.
Which is why Elon had to buy Twitter.
Get this shit off my front page.
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[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 11:18:51 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] parrygrin
[ - ] parrygrin 0 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 21:36:18 ago (+0/-0)
The experimenters used 4 phrases, in order, to encourage the Teacher to continue the shocks if they hesitated.
"Please continue."
"The experiment requires that you continue."
"It is absolutely essential that you continue."
"You have no other choice, Teacher."
Only the last is really an order, and if it ever got to that point, compliance dropped to zero.
People have plenty of personal, psychological, moral, whatever resources within themselves with which to resist tyrannical orders.
What they don't always have is a good grasp of the information about their surroundings. They also got different results when they tried the experiment in a shittier part of town than they did at Yale. People can be lied to and misled. That's not moral failing, at least not the first time. The saying goes fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me once is shame on the fucking propagandist.
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[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 13:32:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] parrygrin
[ - ] parrygrin 0 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 21:39:15 ago (+0/-0)
But to clarify, sure, it's a deep cut to know that every Psych 101 class in the country teaches Milgram dead wrong. The OP didn't even get the baseline trial numbers right, and it's blackpill bullshit. Reality is far more of a workable situation, if more complex and nuanced.
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[ + ] TheNoticing
[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 11:49:38 ago (+1/-0)
FTP
[ + ] RobertJHarsh
[ - ] RobertJHarsh 1 point 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 08:11:18 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] albatrosv15
[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 05:26:36 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 0 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 03:15:07 ago (+1/-1)*
What they dont talk about is the majority were leftists, and the minority, who could defy authority and do the right thing, were religious right.
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 11:49:14 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheViciousMrPim
[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 0 points 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 05:08:13 ago (+3/-3)
The people who would literally kill their children if the voices in their head said so? Yeah, no I don't think those are the people who defied.
[ + ] SumerBreeze
[ - ] SumerBreeze 1 point 1.5 yearsDec 21, 2023 10:23:39 ago (+1/-0)
Watch this thoroughly for more information:
https://files.catbox.moe/gj93i5.mp4
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