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There was no Mongol Empire

submitted by TheViciousMrPim to whatever 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:38:48 ago (+22/-2)     (whatever)

If you build zero permanent structures or even a road, and issue no coin, whatever you built, wasn't an Empire.

Fucking mongorians


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[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 10 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 12:54:21 ago (+10/-0)

People like to say the Mongolian empire was the biggest empire in history, but neglect to also say that it was almost completely empty and much of it was uninhabitable.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 16:07:42 ago (+1/-0)

Their use of horses was impressive though.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 2 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 16:09:54 ago (+2/-0)

Agreed. I think their use of the recurve bow while riding is unmatched in all history.

[ - ] letsgetit 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 20:29:18 ago (+1/-0)

Goaded a bunch of moron commanders into battle all the time. Their mobility was a problem. Long distance campaigns where they'd have 3 horses for every man.

[ - ] Weredawg 7 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:43:23 ago (+7/-0)

Don't try to downplay what George Kent accomplished.
https://files.catbox.moe/89et7m.jpg

[ - ] lord_nougat 4 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:48:20 ago (+4/-0)

DEUS VULT!

[ - ] Ragnar 3 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 14:38:11 ago (+3/-0)

In reality, he was indeed of Nordic lineage

[ - ] canbot 1 point 5 monthsDec 1, 2023 06:04:24 ago (+1/-0)

If you think about it every empire is defined by who controls an area, not by who builds on it. It is the surfs who build everything and the farmers who work the land. But when a new ruler takes over they are all considered part of that new kingdom. Nothing changed except who collects the tax.

[ - ] aekotra 2 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 19:45:09 ago (+2/-0)

Lmao. Wait until you read Fomenko and realize which people the "Mongol Hoard" was comprised of. Then you will learn what structures, roads, and coins they were responsible for. Answer: all of them.

You are not allowed to know anything about this Empire nor the history of its people, which is why you beleive it built nothing.

Modern day "Mongolians" are not the same demographic.

[ - ] lord_nougat 2 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:47:19 ago (+2/-0)

Mongoloids.

[ - ] albatrosv15 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 18:48:44 ago (+1/-0)*

You are right, although you don't understand the specifics. It's about Wild Fields and how it was just copy-pasted into past so that people wouldn't learn about how white people were enslaved by ottoman and their arab auxiliaries like crimean tatars.
History is being rewritten, so i don't know how correct are those articles anymore.
Wild Fields - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Fields
Crimean Nogai slave raids - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Europe (Note the first sentence - "For over three centuries")
Also, there is a hint at origins of "slav", which is basically a slave for ottomans.

[ - ] iThinkiShitYourself 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 18:21:47 ago (+1/-0)

I never understood why they call it a mongol empire either. They have some measurement saying it lasted only 80 years, which is nothing for ancient times and someone said they administered it to me before, but I find no evidence of that

[ - ] TheViciousMrPim [op] 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 18:37:49 ago (+1/-0)

I think they would leave small numbers of their men to rule over at least some of the cities they pillaged. I don't know that I would call that admin. Just a few dudes to terrorize the people more.

For a proper empire, don't you have to start out w a nation or a city state that you actually run, and then you go conquering your neighbors?

Babylon was an empire, the British were an empire, Rome and Carthage were empires. These lasted centuries. The Mongols were horseback pirates. 80yrs...

[ - ] iThinkiShitYourself 0 points 5 monthsNov 30, 2023 01:22:13 ago (+0/-0)

The Mongols were horseback pirates. 80yrs...

furthermore, and i dug up a lot of proof of this before so i think you can re-verify this, i believe the reason their attacks were successful is because they attacked the world during peacetimes.

[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 17:02:10 ago (+1/-0)

Fucking mongorians.

[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 14:18:04 ago (+1/-0)

I agree. What they had was a mobile networked army of thieves and mass murderers who were nomadic. They had no concept of permanence and were never interested in creating anything of the sort. They were basically parasites, like enormous groups of locusts devouring everything they came in contact with.

[ - ] the_old_ones 1 point 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 14:42:39 ago (+1/-0)

They were basically parasites, like enormous groups of locusts devouring everything they came in contact with.

is the modern government really so different?

[ - ] Lordbananafist 0 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 20:40:35 ago (+0/-0)

No. There’s a lot of shills here who don’t want to end up in a fight that isn’t governed by the Geneva convention.

[ - ] OftenWrong 0 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 15:34:13 ago (+0/-0)

yet the people had to pay them their taxes

[ - ] the_old_ones 0 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 14:41:30 ago (+1/-1)

If you build zero permanent structures or even a road, and issue no coin, whatever you built, wasn't an Empire.

literally historically false.

the people they conquered built lots of those things AND their camps and cities just moved around instead of staying in one place.

[ - ] Lordbananafist -1 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:42:30 ago (+0/-1)

did the Jin dynasty have an empire?

[ - ] lord_nougat 11 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 11:49:56 ago (+11/-0)

They had Jin, but no tonic.
So it can't have been a real empire.

[ - ] Lordbananafist 0 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 12:07:37 ago (+1/-1)

did the Khwarazmian dynasty have an empire?

make a pun out of khwarazmian, jerk

[ - ] Monica 6 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 12:19:42 ago (+6/-0)*

Khwarazmian. He wuz a gut boy. Buh he die nasty.

lord_nougat might've been a jerk but he aint no vassal.

Get all your windows 95 programs for free now at warazmian.kh

[ - ] lord_nougat 5 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 12:24:41 ago (+5/-0)

Your mom's khwarazmian.

[ - ] Master_Foo -5 points 5 monthsNov 29, 2023 12:59:07 ago (+1/-6)*

You sound like a Jew.
"It's not an empire unless it's subverted by the trappings of bureaucracy, Goyim!"
The only thing permanent buildings represent is the permanence of the establishment's unwillingness to drain the swamp of itself.
An empire is it's people, not it's buildings.