I haven't quit sugar but severely reduced my carbs intake, especially of everything with high glycaemic index or high in fructose. I don't drink soda or eat candy. When I eat chocolate, it's the 90% cacao kind. I avoid eating much fruit or bread. When I eat cake or drink a beer because it's someone birthday, I take 1-2gr berberine to keep insulin down. I feel great and look 10 years younger.
You are retarded if you think sugar itself is any different than Complex carb sources besides lack of micronutrients.
You are retarded if you don't understand that sugar is the body's preferred fuel for physical activity.
You are retarded if you don't understand that there is a threshold of sugars you can enjoy in order to build up muscle and liver glycogen without turnover into fat.
Keto is for sedentary, slow energy burn. Any high performing athlete with muscle mass knows that low carb diets are shit for performance. Keto is fine if you plan on sitting around all day on your ass and going on walks.
When your stomach acid breaks down a potato or rice, the unsweet chains of carbs are broken down into simple glucose which is sweet. Simply not tasting sweet doesn't change the net metabolic effects.
Organic orange juice is different than a God damn little Debbie cake. It's the combinations of sugars and fats which may cause people to overeat and get fat, but at the end of the day, it's calories in calories out.
Any high performing athlete with muscle mass knows that low carb diets are shit for performance. Keto is fine if you plan on sitting around all day on your ass and going on walks.
Eh, I was a >1000-lb. club (1200 lb., but who's counting) athlete with a sub-6 mile who ran distance as well (marathons and 1/2s, 5-10k runs felt like sprints). Not elite - 1:20 half marathons and 3:30 fulls, but better than most non-pros. I wasn't pure keto, but I limited my carb intake to ~30-50g/day. There were/are two schools of thought on the low-carb matter, both with merit:
1.) Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates, and
2.) Ketone bodies serve just as well as glucose (provided the appropriate machinery is in place)
Naturally, I'd experimented with high-carb solutions, but I found it to be a hassle. Getting enough glycogen for the weight room was easy: high intensity, low volume work to build strength doesn't take a huge store of calories. However, on long runs, unless I carried food with me, I hit a wall where my body had depleted its glycogen, but the machinery for burning fats efficiently wasn't spun up yet (the proteins/genes hadn't been expressed because the glucose pathway was working fine an hour ago). Switching to keto cost me a few lbs. in the weight room, but my times on distance runs were actually improved because I never hit the wall. By meting out my carbs judiciously, I was able to maintain weight room strength and not compromise long-term aerobic strength without carrying external fuel with me for long runs.
Fat is an excellent energy source - it isn't to be underestimated. Carbs are 4 kcals/gram, and they hold water (glycogen is 3-4 parts water), so really you're looking at much less than 4 kcals/gram once you have glycogen sitting in your body. Like maybe as low as 1 cals/gram. Meanwhile, fats repel water, so not only does fat yield ~9kcals/gram, it does so more efficiently because you aren't carrying around a bunch of water weight with it. Adipose is ~10% water, so you net about 8 kcals/gram of fat vs. 1-2 kcals/gram carbs.
All of that to say - for endurance, keto makes a lot of sense. Less weight to carry around in terms of external and internal fuel. Being lighter makes it easier to run for a long time, etc. But it's not just for sedentary people.
For your gut issues, you should try the FODMAP diet. It worked for me until I could get my SIBO under control using the antibiotic rifaximin in the form of heliotherapy.
If you're trying to build muscle, particularly if you don't care too much about putting on fat - bulk like a bodybuilder. High-carb/high protein/high intensity workouts is the way to go - this is time tested, and basically keeping your insulin up is the best way to ensure nutrient delivery to muscles in hypertrophy. I should note that my keto story started long after I began lifting and basically hit my natural peak. On the way to the peak - I went through multiple bulk/cut cycles where in the bulk I'd drink 1 gallon/milk per day and eat lots of meat, and I didn't much count carbs (this was back when protein powders generally all tasted like shit). I remember a lot of PB+J or honey sandwiches too. Then the cut would be all egg whites and chicken breasts.
I tended to eat very clean on the keto diet. Lots of whey protein (cause the powders got good finally), tuna, chicken... And I was doing it years before "keto" became a more mainstream idea. In fact, I only learned about keto from some people who were on the Keto (TM) diet, and they noticed I tended to avoid carbs in general. So I just call it "keto" because that's what everyone can recognize, but you're right - the term has gotten so broad as to mean something like what I did vs. some asshole slamming burgers and bacon and drowning it in oil cuz "muh keto." So it's not like I went seeking to follow a keto diet; rather, I tailored my diet and ended up on something resembling what would be called "keto." I recommend everyone do something similar to find their own path (which it seems like you're doing). Keto or something like it might not work for you, but giving it conscious thought is important, and that's more than what most people do.
They insinuate that mainstream diet advice is perverted and captured by industry (((?))) which sounds plausible the more I think about it
Yes and no - more yes than no. I think about the Food Guide Pyramid. The foundation just happens to be the cheapest, easiest, most mass-produced shit. Now, just 100 years ago, grains and cereals made sense because people were just more active. So we got really good at mass producing grains and cereals (10k+ years of agriculture aside). Times changed, but the industry didn't want to (because it's cheaper not to). I don't think it's too much more complex than that, but there may be nefarious intent somewhere. But aside from that, idk what "mainstream diet advice is" outside of the USDA (or maybe the WEF pushing bugs, but that doesn't seem mainstream). I don't think there's a "big paleo" or "big keto" industry out there pulling too many strings - I think mostly people just want an easy/simple answer to a fairly complex question, and fad diets (for lack of a better term) offer that.
Calories in vs. calories out is a great place to start though - that's the real foundation of any food guide pyramid worth a shit.
Keto is more than a fad. Calorie types are important for consistent metabolism. Like you state yourself, your high fat diet improved endurance. Keto helps control appetite and maintain energy levels which is why it's so effective for weight loss and maintaining a healthy weight.
Keto doesn't have to be >70% fat. Simply not shying away from fats is a huge improvement in overall diet.
Okay, well I am currently in the 1200 lbs club as a manlet at a bodyweight of 176 if you think that establishes credibility. Ive also a decade of experience with various diets, including keto and carnivore.
If you dont eat carbs, your body will still synthesize them via gluconeogenesis.
We can agree that for long, slow bouts of exercise, fatty acids are a great energy source.
But for high intensity bodybuilding or powerlifting or even sprinting, keto is trash.
Burning ketones places a lot of burden on both the adrenals and the lungs. Burning fat as a primary fuel source requires elevated stress hormones like adrenaline to liberate the fatty acids, and you'll find your lungs working harder since you'll have little anaerobic energy. This high stress environment, in the long run, will absolutely lower your testosterone levels and thyroid hormones.
Okay, well I am currently in the 1200 lbs club as a manlet at a bodyweight of 176 if you think that establishes credibility. Ive also a decade of experience with various diets, including keto and carnivore
Breaking 300 lbs. in bench and 400-500 lbs. in squat and deadlift (I assume those are your rough numbers, but you may be a chicken-legged bench freak), especially weighing in the 170-190 lbs. range (where I lived as a non-manlet over 6'), isn't something to scoff at, nor is it something that happens accidentally (assuming natty). Though you manlets drive me nuts with your smaller ROM and better leverage for lifting heavy shit; I've got big ol' gibbon arms. Great for climbing trees, not so much power lifting.
I've never heard of any adrenal issues associated with ketosis. Kidney stones is about as close as I've heard, and that's just proximity. Lungs... yea maybe, but still, I've never seen any research suggesting adverse effects. Might as well say eating carbs "puts a lot of burden on the pancreas." Like yea, you'll have to produce more insulin than no-carbing it, but... it's well within functional parameters generally.
But for high intensity bodybuilding or powerlifting or even sprinting, keto is trash.
Thought I made that clear. I mentioned I sac'd some lbs. in the weight room, but that comes with any calorie-restricting diet basically. I wasn't keto when I put up my biggest lifts, but I was keto when I put down my fastest distance times, including as short as 5k (low 18s IIRC; I remember it "felt" like a sprint).
I also recall reading some research that a keto diet can help fight cancer - tumors much prefer glucose as an energy store, and cancerous tumors need a lot of energy in fast. So when you restrict sugar, you help to starve the cancer. Can't find it, not gonna look for it, but the reasoning checks.
I knew plenty of guys who didn't go keto - my roommate, e.g. But he could barely run a mile too. I just found that, as I dialed in my diet to meet my physique and athletic goals, I got closer and closer to something that could later be called "keto."
Don't forget the differences between fructose, sucrose, glucose, and how our bodies process these sugars.
Fructose requires you to have fiber in order for your body to properly process it into energy instead of alcohol which destroys your liver. That's why fruits that have edible skins are fantastic as a snack for easy energy generation. The skin has enough fiber to help you process the fructose in the flesh of the fruit.
There's so much more involved, but that's the simplest way to explain it.
Yes. Fructose is a primary fuel for the liver and for sperm. Liver glycogen is important for maintaining blood sugar levels.
Overconsumption of fructose without physical activity may contribute to fatty liver, but dietary choline attenuates this. Various B vitamins (like Thiamine) provide the cofactors necessary for healthy fructose metabolism.
This sounds like such bullshit. Fruits are relatively low in sugar. They don't cause the huge glycemic spike like a soda might. Fiber has lots of benefits, but there is way more than the skin.
Consider sugarcane. The quintessential source of sugar, but when raw its not super sweet.
Calories matter and fruits are relatively low in them.
You are retarded if you think sugar itself is any different than Complex carb
No, you are retarded for not understanding the differences and how important they are.
The short explanation is as follows. Simple sugar goes straight into action, all of it all at once. It is like reving your engine and dropping the clutch. A complex sugar needs to first get broken down, then it gets used and only at the rate at which it is converted. It does not all get converted all at once because there is a bottleneck. It is like rev limiting your engine to 2k rpm. You take a lot less stress on your system, you go further, you keep going longer and you dont crash.
If you pair simple sugars with a balanced meal, the digestion will also be slowed.
Additionally, if muscle glycogen stores are depleted, quick absorption of glucose may even be preferable.
Stop thinking in a vacuum. A glass of juice or a spoonful of white sugar isn't going to put you on dialysis.
Just as salt, we have God/evolution given taste buds for sugar. If you actually taste the sugar you are consuming, you may find you have your fill of it sooner than a complex carbohydrate with no flavor.
Cola is deceptive because the bitterness masks the sugar and makes it easier to over consume. Plus the body can build a tolerance to sugar. You may have your full, but a ham planet still wants more.
The op literally uses sugar/sweets - ie in my mind that's processed/ refined sugar and candy etc and all the additives that come with it.
I completely reworked my diet due to the holo-cov lockdowns - lost 30kgs and feel immeasurably better - all my bio-metrics have significantly improved or dropped and stabilized. Dont do candy or refined/ processed sugar - get all my sugar from raw fruits and mostly raisins. Dont do coffee or black tea (other than a one triple shot homemade expresso with full cream as a morning ritual and then organic green tea or filtered water). Processed sugar is for chumps as is all forms of goy slop. Free range/ grass fed meat and butter with organic raw foods for the win.
Same I did the same about 15 years ago for health reasons. Anything loaded with sugar is now disgusting, straight poison and I can identify anything that has it in it.
Sugar and bottled / tap water / anything pre corporate bottled were the top two health determinants I had to eliminate entirely with no remorse just to survive.
I quit sugar 13 years ago as part of a diet and exercise regimen I undertook to lose 100 lbs (yeah I used to be a fat fuck, but only for a couple years). I allow myself some cake or pie and an occasional soda but for the most part I avoid refined sugars like the fucking plague. Sugar is the fat drug.
I quit, well cut my sugar and carbs by about 90% almost 2 years ago and have never felt better!... i lost 30lbs. and my periphereal neuropathy is almost all the way gone
I quit years ago. I didn't feel any big difference for my body or general health. Still I didn't come back and when I do have something sweet from time to time (very seldom) I don't like it.
[ - ] dassar 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:33:12 ago (+1/-0)
Keep at it, i'm three years in to a completely reworked diet and lifestyle - literrally dropped 30kgs by diet and stretching alone before begining to actually work out about 6 months ago, i noticed some things didnt seem to be changing or getting better after several weeks / months at first but took me 6-9 months before they were noticable.
Why should we “quit” sugar? Because the current zeitgeist and propaganda tells us to? You guys sound the same as the old generations in the 90s “quitting” fat. In 30 years, “new science” will “discover” how wrong the current anti-sugar dogma is. And you guys will be stood with tomatoes on your faces.
[ - ] MynxiMe 1 point 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 00:37:12 ago (+1/-0)
I have a MS patient who kept developing bleeding ulcers. We took her off of most carbs per family request and her ulcers cleared up. It's not just that it is sugar, it is over processed and chemically doused poisonous sugar.
I don't eat lollies because they noticably make me feel like ass later on. Soda doesn't, and it helps animate my brain into a state of high activity sometimes, but it's probably not good for the gut in the long run.
Yes but how are you going with food generally? Are you carrying padding? I suck on sweets so as to stop me raiding the cupboard which I try to keep free of junk food but I do keep dry biscuits there (crackers) and there's always cheese handy...and coffee...and Voat. You get the picture?
[ + ] fritz_maurentod
[ - ] fritz_maurentod 6 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 10:41:51 ago (+6/-0)
[ + ] JustALover
[ - ] JustALover 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 11:05:48 ago (+2/-0)
One tiny block of that shit and afterwards I never want to see chocolate again.
[ + ] Stonkmar
[ - ] Stonkmar 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:33:15 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] cj71
[ - ] cj71 6 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 10:02:47 ago (+12/-6)
You are retarded if you don't understand that sugar is the body's preferred fuel for physical activity.
You are retarded if you don't understand that there is a threshold of sugars you can enjoy in order to build up muscle and liver glycogen without turnover into fat.
Keto is for sedentary, slow energy burn. Any high performing athlete with muscle mass knows that low carb diets are shit for performance. Keto is fine if you plan on sitting around all day on your ass and going on walks.
When your stomach acid breaks down a potato or rice, the unsweet chains of carbs are broken down into simple glucose which is sweet. Simply not tasting sweet doesn't change the net metabolic effects.
Organic orange juice is different than a God damn little Debbie cake. It's the combinations of sugars and fats which may cause people to overeat and get fat, but at the end of the day, it's calories in calories out.
[ + ] InYourFaceNancyGrace
[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 8 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 11:27:30 ago (+10/-2)
Eh, I was a >1000-lb. club (1200 lb., but who's counting) athlete with a sub-6 mile who ran distance as well (marathons and 1/2s, 5-10k runs felt like sprints). Not elite - 1:20 half marathons and 3:30 fulls, but better than most non-pros. I wasn't pure keto, but I limited my carb intake to ~30-50g/day. There were/are two schools of thought on the low-carb matter, both with merit:
1.) Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates, and
2.) Ketone bodies serve just as well as glucose (provided the appropriate machinery is in place)
Naturally, I'd experimented with high-carb solutions, but I found it to be a hassle. Getting enough glycogen for the weight room was easy: high intensity, low volume work to build strength doesn't take a huge store of calories. However, on long runs, unless I carried food with me, I hit a wall where my body had depleted its glycogen, but the machinery for burning fats efficiently wasn't spun up yet (the proteins/genes hadn't been expressed because the glucose pathway was working fine an hour ago). Switching to keto cost me a few lbs. in the weight room, but my times on distance runs were actually improved because I never hit the wall. By meting out my carbs judiciously, I was able to maintain weight room strength and not compromise long-term aerobic strength without carrying external fuel with me for long runs.
Fat is an excellent energy source - it isn't to be underestimated. Carbs are 4 kcals/gram, and they hold water (glycogen is 3-4 parts water), so really you're looking at much less than 4 kcals/gram once you have glycogen sitting in your body. Like maybe as low as 1 cals/gram. Meanwhile, fats repel water, so not only does fat yield ~9kcals/gram, it does so more efficiently because you aren't carrying around a bunch of water weight with it. Adipose is ~10% water, so you net about 8 kcals/gram of fat vs. 1-2 kcals/gram carbs.
All of that to say - for endurance, keto makes a lot of sense. Less weight to carry around in terms of external and internal fuel. Being lighter makes it easier to run for a long time, etc. But it's not just for sedentary people.
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[ - ] deleted 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:15:50 ago (+4/-1)
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:48:25 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 01:06:13 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] InYourFaceNancyGrace
[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:32:37 ago (+1/-0)
I tended to eat very clean on the keto diet. Lots of whey protein (cause the powders got good finally), tuna, chicken... And I was doing it years before "keto" became a more mainstream idea. In fact, I only learned about keto from some people who were on the Keto (TM) diet, and they noticed I tended to avoid carbs in general. So I just call it "keto" because that's what everyone can recognize, but you're right - the term has gotten so broad as to mean something like what I did vs. some asshole slamming burgers and bacon and drowning it in oil cuz "muh keto." So it's not like I went seeking to follow a keto diet; rather, I tailored my diet and ended up on something resembling what would be called "keto." I recommend everyone do something similar to find their own path (which it seems like you're doing). Keto or something like it might not work for you, but giving it conscious thought is important, and that's more than what most people do.
Yes and no - more yes than no. I think about the Food Guide Pyramid. The foundation just happens to be the cheapest, easiest, most mass-produced shit. Now, just 100 years ago, grains and cereals made sense because people were just more active. So we got really good at mass producing grains and cereals (10k+ years of agriculture aside). Times changed, but the industry didn't want to (because it's cheaper not to). I don't think it's too much more complex than that, but there may be nefarious intent somewhere. But aside from that, idk what "mainstream diet advice is" outside of the USDA (or maybe the WEF pushing bugs, but that doesn't seem mainstream). I don't think there's a "big paleo" or "big keto" industry out there pulling too many strings - I think mostly people just want an easy/simple answer to a fairly complex question, and fad diets (for lack of a better term) offer that.
Calories in vs. calories out is a great place to start though - that's the real foundation of any food guide pyramid worth a shit.
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:53:27 ago (+1/-0)
Keto doesn't have to be >70% fat. Simply not shying away from fats is a huge improvement in overall diet.
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[ + ] Ragnar
[ - ] Ragnar 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:56:09 ago (+2/-1)
You seem to be the latter
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 01:03:04 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] cj71
[ - ] cj71 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:08:24 ago (+3/-0)
If you dont eat carbs, your body will still synthesize them via gluconeogenesis.
We can agree that for long, slow bouts of exercise, fatty acids are a great energy source.
But for high intensity bodybuilding or powerlifting or even sprinting, keto is trash.
Burning ketones places a lot of burden on both the adrenals and the lungs. Burning fat as a primary fuel source requires elevated stress hormones like adrenaline to liberate the fatty acids, and you'll find your lungs working harder since you'll have little anaerobic energy. This high stress environment, in the long run, will absolutely lower your testosterone levels and thyroid hormones.
[ + ] InYourFaceNancyGrace
[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 14:45:28 ago (+2/-0)
Breaking 300 lbs. in bench and 400-500 lbs. in squat and deadlift (I assume those are your rough numbers, but you may be a chicken-legged bench freak), especially weighing in the 170-190 lbs. range (where I lived as a non-manlet over 6'), isn't something to scoff at, nor is it something that happens accidentally (assuming natty). Though you manlets drive me nuts with your smaller ROM and better leverage for lifting heavy shit; I've got big ol' gibbon arms. Great for climbing trees, not so much power lifting.
I've never heard of any adrenal issues associated with ketosis. Kidney stones is about as close as I've heard, and that's just proximity. Lungs... yea maybe, but still, I've never seen any research suggesting adverse effects. Might as well say eating carbs "puts a lot of burden on the pancreas." Like yea, you'll have to produce more insulin than no-carbing it, but... it's well within functional parameters generally.
Thought I made that clear. I mentioned I sac'd some lbs. in the weight room, but that comes with any calorie-restricting diet basically. I wasn't keto when I put up my biggest lifts, but I was keto when I put down my fastest distance times, including as short as 5k (low 18s IIRC; I remember it "felt" like a sprint).
I also recall reading some research that a keto diet can help fight cancer - tumors much prefer glucose as an energy store, and cancerous tumors need a lot of energy in fast. So when you restrict sugar, you help to starve the cancer. Can't find it, not gonna look for it, but the reasoning checks.
I knew plenty of guys who didn't go keto - my roommate, e.g. But he could barely run a mile too. I just found that, as I dialed in my diet to meet my physique and athletic goals, I got closer and closer to something that could later be called "keto."
[ + ] Ragnar
[ - ] Ragnar 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:58:27 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 5 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 11:23:52 ago (+5/-0)
Fructose requires you to have fiber in order for your body to properly process it into energy instead of alcohol which destroys your liver. That's why fruits that have edible skins are fantastic as a snack for easy energy generation. The skin has enough fiber to help you process the fructose in the flesh of the fruit.
There's so much more involved, but that's the simplest way to explain it.
[ + ] cj71
[ - ] cj71 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:38:30 ago (+2/-0)
Overconsumption of fructose without physical activity may contribute to fatty liver, but dietary choline attenuates this. Various B vitamins (like Thiamine) provide the cofactors necessary for healthy fructose metabolism.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:11:53 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:41:54 ago (+2/-0)
Consider sugarcane. The quintessential source of sugar, but when raw its not super sweet.
Calories matter and fruits are relatively low in them.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 17:04:46 ago (+3/-0)
Sugarcane is meant to be eating with its fibrous fronds, but humans can't digest it well.
Our bodies are evolved to the natural world, not processed foods.
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 02:32:01 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:57:43 ago (+4/-1)
No, you are retarded for not understanding the differences and how important they are.
The short explanation is as follows. Simple sugar goes straight into action, all of it all at once. It is like reving your engine and dropping the clutch. A complex sugar needs to first get broken down, then it gets used and only at the rate at which it is converted. It does not all get converted all at once because there is a bottleneck. It is like rev limiting your engine to 2k rpm. You take a lot less stress on your system, you go further, you keep going longer and you dont crash.
[ + ] cj71
[ - ] cj71 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:24:10 ago (+2/-0)
Additionally, if muscle glycogen stores are depleted, quick absorption of glucose may even be preferable.
Stop thinking in a vacuum. A glass of juice or a spoonful of white sugar isn't going to put you on dialysis.
Just as salt, we have God/evolution given taste buds for sugar. If you actually taste the sugar you are consuming, you may find you have your fill of it sooner than a complex carbohydrate with no flavor.
[ + ] TheYiddler
[ - ] TheYiddler 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:59:53 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Ragnar
[ - ] Ragnar 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 10:34:22 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] Ragnar 4 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:51:59 ago (+4/-0)
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[ - ] paul_neri -4 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 17:07:09 ago (+0/-4)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 22:48:35 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 22:50:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:23:46 ago (+2/-0)
I completely reworked my diet due to the holo-cov lockdowns - lost 30kgs and feel immeasurably better - all my bio-metrics have significantly improved or dropped and stabilized.
Dont do candy or refined/ processed sugar - get all my sugar from raw fruits and mostly raisins.
Dont do coffee or black tea (other than a one triple shot homemade expresso with full cream as a morning ritual and then organic green tea or filtered water).
Processed sugar is for chumps as is all forms of goy slop.
Free range/ grass fed meat and butter with organic raw foods for the win.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri -1 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:29:31 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 22:44:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] letsgetit
[ - ] letsgetit 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 19:18:23 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] CoronaHoax
[ - ] CoronaHoax 5 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 09:44:14 ago (+5/-0)
Sugar and bottled / tap water / anything pre corporate bottled were the top two health determinants I had to eliminate entirely with no remorse just to survive.
[ + ] Bonlio99
[ - ] Bonlio99 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 11:02:57 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Metanoid
[ - ] Metanoid 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 15:13:17 ago (+2/-0)
Sugar is the fat drug.
[ + ] fnbs
[ - ] fnbs 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:53:49 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] EAT_MY_ASS_FUCKFACE
[ - ] EAT_MY_ASS_FUCKFACE 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:00:13 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] edmundo 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 11:06:17 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] stonecoldben
[ - ] stonecoldben 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 12:50:14 ago (+1/-0)
Started carnivore for the last 4 months and it's the same thing pretty much. Not much difference. If anything my resting heartbeat has gotten faster.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 13:33:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Ragnar
[ - ] Ragnar 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 10:39:15 ago (+3/-1)
You guys sound the same as the old generations in the 90s “quitting” fat.
In 30 years, “new science” will “discover” how wrong the current anti-sugar dogma is. And you guys will be stood with tomatoes on your faces.
[ + ] MynxiMe
[ - ] MynxiMe 1 point 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 00:37:12 ago (+1/-0)
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[ + ] Conspirologist
[ - ] Conspirologist [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 15:21:49 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] Barfcock19
[ - ] Barfcock19 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 09:50:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] registereduser
[ - ] registereduser 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 10:46:05 ago (+4/-4)
You sound like a faggot.
Faggots should be burned alive for entertainment.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri -1 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2023 16:25:26 ago (+1/-2)
[ + ] Conspirologist
[ - ] Conspirologist [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2023 00:15:19 ago (+2/-2)