What a sad, ridiculous cope. And let me guess, Easter doesn't come from Ostara and bunnies, eggs, flowers, and other Easter symbols were invented by christcucks too.
You fucking retards act like Europe had no culture before jews taught you to worship their torah and messiah because you can't handle the fact that jews lied to you as much about religion as they did about history and science.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:21:56 ago (+2/-1)*
Easter isn't a Christian holiday. Passover is the Christian observance that coincides with the pagan celebration of spring that's referred to as "Easter". The word "Easter" doesn't appear in the bible and the Bible forbids using pagan customs to lure in non-believers.
Tell that to every christian church that celebrates Easter because adopting Pagan holiday practices was the only way to get our ancestors to convert to some shitty jew worship religion. I'll wait.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 08:40:01 ago (+1/-0)
That's how you know it's a bullshit Church, fool. Constantine tried to bring paganism traditions into the Christian faith in a direct effort to destroy Christianity. Actual Christians, who read the book, know better.
What the Church does has nothing to do with the religion.
The only reason you practice christianity is because Constantine and other western leaders were pressured by jews into pulling Pagan traditions into christianity to appease the masses and help them convert. If he hadn't done that, you'd be practicing Paganism and would think christianity was some silly jew worship cult.
Utter horseshit. And, again, the Bible SPECIFICALLY FORBIDS using pagan rituals in Christianity to lure converts. SPECIFICALLY FORBIDS! And, just like the OP video suggests, you've been fed a fuck ton of bullshit about the so-called pagan roots in Christianity. And, you're only refutation to that video was you saying "nuh uhh".
The video covers that many Christmas traditions aren't sourced in Pagan faiths, which conversely means many Pagan traditions are not practiced by Christians. I'm not sure where you got, >You fucking retards act like Europe had no culture When it's apparent that the two groups have different traditions. With Pagans having the largest volume of traditions, as their traditions typically are orientated from which part of Europe they are from.
And yet they basically all did get sourced from Pagan faiths. This guy is basically saying "the tradition in its current form began under christianity, the previous Pagan practices that were 90% the same were totally different and didn't inspire the christian traditions in any way." Things like Yule trees and wassailing were Pagan practices where they simply changed the decorations and the songs sung when the people were converted (mostly by force/coercion) to christianity.
It's all just a sad cope to deal with the fact that jews used their economic power to pressure the leaders of our ancestors into forcibly converting our people so they could lie to us about religion. Rather than rejecting the holy book that contains the jewish torah and teaches people to worship the king of the jews, they want to cling to the one thing they were raised with that has a couple anti-jewish verses at the end after 1000 pages of calling jews the chosen ones. Spiritually, our people would be much better off throwing jewish bullshit in the garbage where it belongs and reconnecting with the beliefs of our ancestors.
Something I'll note here is that while christianity bastardized the holiday decorations, there are some things at the root of Pagan beliefs that they did not keep. Modern day Asatru Pagans regularly praise and venerate their own ancestors. There's a ritual called Sumbol where they pass a horn around the circle and everyone has to pick one of their ancestors to say something good about. It's a revival of ancient Nordic/Germanic Pagan practices where celebrating one's ancestors were an important part of their faith. Those rituals that celebrate our ancestors got tossed right out the window when the jews converted our ancestors to christianity, replaced by church services where we learn about jewish people's ancestors and ignore our own.
I think it's more that having an earlier Pagan belief system superseded by a new 'official' way of observing significant dates - doesnt automatically mean the new Christian festivals are all based on older pagan ones - meaning many were developed entirely from Christian foundations, as this video was pointing out. Two different belief/ observance systems wit5h som3e similarity and cross over but not simply rebranded wholesale from one to the other. The lady reminds me of a black africa built everything numpty.
And yet there are clear examples of christians taking Pagan ideas and "christianizing" them - Easter being a very clear example, virgin mary symbolism in catholicism being another. When you look at the christmas tree, it's basically just a Yule tree with slightly different decorations - no, they didn't come up with that on their own, they took the tradition that was already there and tacked christianity onto it. Caroling as a practice of going through the streets singing did begin with wassailing Pagans and then turned into christians doing the same thing with different songs after they converted (usually by force/coercion). This guy is basically trying to deny the fact that those christian practices were rooted in the Pagan practices that came before. Sorry, but "this practice in its current form didn't exist until christianity, the previous practice that was 90% the same under Paganism was totally different" is a retarded cope, not a good argument.
Nope, you are completely missing the point, the topics brought up in this clip are not Pagan. It is like claiming every worldwide culture that has it's own festive rituals and religious inspired observances are totally Pagan because 'Pagans did it first'. Or that every car now made is stolen from the Model T Ford. that's ridiculous. Similarity is not causation. As the guy says in the video all cultures and religions 'sing', if the Christian carols are just reworded former Pagan songs then that might hold but it doesn't. As to Easter and Mary - those weren't even mentioned here -'whataboutism'.
Sorry, but "this practice in its current form didn't exist until christianity, the previous practice that was 90% the same under Paganism was totally different" is a retarded cope, not a good argument.
Nope, that's simply not what this guy or I are saying at all.
I brought up Easter as an example of another christian holiday that takes its traditions directly from Paganism.
And yes, that is exactly what this guy is saying. In many cases (Yule trees and wassailing being perfect examples) the place where the christian version of those traditions began was the same place Pagans were doing that exact thing and they simply put a minor spin on the same old tradition when they changed religions. The idea of christmas caroling is not just singing, but going through the streets door to door holding candles and singing. Lots of religions sing, even in groups, but few walk through the streets going from home to home singing to the people in each home, and that practice of christmas caroling began in England where they were already wassailing during the late fall under Paganism and simply changed what songs they were singing. Caroling as a group going through the streets is not widely practiced outside the British isles and countries like the US that were largely settled by the British. There's literally a direct line from wassailing to christmas caroling as a practice that only people who did wassailing really picked up on. Same with Yule trees turning into christmas trees - the Germanic and Nordic peoples who were already celebrating with Yule trees adopted the christmas tree tradition before anyone else, and the tradition didn't spread until a bunch of Germanic and Nordic immigrants brought it to America and it was popularized and spread through American culture. Direct line from one tradition to another. St Nick is another - the reindeer and present giving and basically everything but the name already existed in Pagan traditions focused around the same holiday, all they did was change the name - and Rudolph is jewish, so the jews tacked that part on.
You're coping hard as fuck to not have to admit that christianity is a jewish control scheme that incorporated whatever traditions and practices it needed to in order to trick people into worshiping jews and their jew god.
How about go point by point with what was said in the video and show us where it is incorrect - according to the sources provided. You're really just conflating one thing as coming from another becaus ethey are similar not realizing these things are historically and anthropologically common across multiple disparate groups.
It's also incredibly ironic that you're basically denying the uniqueness of christmas traditions in an attempt to dunk on your own ancestors. "There's nothing special about christmas traditions, it's just singing songs and having a tree! It's not unique or special!" And yet it is, each of those examples is far more unique and special than you or OP's video gives them credit for, and they became unique and special before those traditions got stolen by kikes and turned into christmas.
I don't understand your point, i never made any reference to the uniqueness or not of 'Christmas traditions'. Typical deflection.
YIt ios like saying a group of individuals go to africa - teach the natives a different way of doing things according to how the new arrivals do them and want them done - couple of hundreds years later you are on social media telling everyone 'these guys just rebranded how all the africans did things - it's not new or different at all'.
Your example is retarded jewish reversal bullshit. If you teach the natives how to do things, and they continue to do them, they are copying you, not you copying them. The Pagans did many of these things first, then the christians copied them, and the OP's video is trying to claim christians did not copy Pagans while adopting their traditions. The example of caroling and wassailing is the most obvious - so obvious that christmas carolers in England still sing songs about wassailing alongside songs about christmas when they go caroling. The christian tradition literally just took the Pagan tradition and changed some but not all of the songs and they still sing some of the old Pagan wassailing songs while going around singing christmas carols. It's that fucking obvious and you're still denying it. Since you're pulling bullshit jewish reversal psych tricks and not addressing clear and obvious facts, I'm just going to stop responding to your bullshit until you stop being retarded/jewish.
I'll admit is cute American culture when bunnies give eggs to kids or hide eggs, but this has nothing to do with European Eastern. Also you say something that Eastern is about flowers??? First time I hear this what do you do with flowers?
Think about everything you like about Christmas. All those things were stolen from White Pagans.
Santa Claus? You don't like "Saint Nicholas" the smelly rapist Sand-Nigger from the Middle East. You like the fat White guy who dresses up in a red robe and hangs out with his pet reindeer.
You hate all the "official" Christian Christmas activities, like attending Christmas mass.
So, you might as well just dump the Christ-Cuck shit and admit that you just like being White. Welcome to White Nationalist Paganism. It's OK to be White.
Where in the Bible does it say what color Santa's robe is? You don't actually give a fuck about "Christian Christmas". You only care about the fictional parts of Christmas that were invented to make "Christian Christmas" bearable.
Well your comment doesn't have much info about pagan Easter. I'll keep lurking and you keep updating me every hour or two about American paganism if you find anything worth to say by googling your fake American pagan holidays.
Odin did not deliver presents, but he did ride slepnir as a mount. Handing out presents was a tradition associated with many holidays, and the modern concept of Santa is indeed a bit older than America if I'm not incorrect.
12 days of Christmas references the number you can count to on one hand by the old counting/numbering system (index finger to pinky), its a round number, and Christmas was a hybrid between yule and saturnalia, the latter of which chose a 12 day holiday for their people in the cold of winter.
Saturn has little to do with mistletoe kisses, rather it was a tradition originating with the druids, not Greeks or Romans. They didnt kiss each other under the mistletoe, but did see it as good fortune since it rested upon the branches of an oak.
The five pointed star comes from hellenics, hermetics, and zororastrians, is indeed a symbol of the five classical elements air, earth, fire, water, and spirit, each of which had their assigned place on the star. It's a fitting symbol for the star of Bethlehem because the men who visited christ as a babe were Zororastrian magi. The concept of the Christmas tree does indeed date back to yule, but they didn't have yule trees as an equivalent to Christmas trees, they had one great oak that was never cut down and was decorated with hanging lanterns. Oak trees were sacred and represented the world tree in this ritual, each light was one of the nine worlds that rested upon its branches. Hanging a star at the top was merely a way to get the star if bethelhem up on a fittingly high place.
I'm not watching the rest of this video but a brief web search reveals both of these numbnuts as being wrong in some way. Each is just saying whatever they can to assert that the traditions are theirs and a bit of research reveals then to have emerged from a confluence of old traditions that bear little resemblance to the modern practices. Both of pagan and Christian origin, some even coming from the middle east and their religions.
Another American judeo-pagan explains European culture :)
We don't put Christmas lights and tree in November. In Europe you have Christmas tree for 12 days. Day Christ was born and toss tree day he was visited by Three kings.
Simple as fuck and was always like this in Europe.
We don't put Christmas lights and tree in November.
December, right? Yule and Saturnalia occupy the same time range as December, which is wintertime. The time when it is colder, sometime between the summer solstice and vernal equinox, containing the winter solstice within it.
In Europe you have Christmas tree for 12 days.
One hand of counting.
Day Christ was born and toss tree day he was visited by Three kings.
I have trouble comprehending what you are saying here.
Simple as fuck and was always like this in Europe.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 3 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 15:58:51 ago (+5/-2)
You fucking retards act like Europe had no culture before jews taught you to worship their torah and messiah because you can't handle the fact that jews lied to you as much about religion as they did about history and science.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:21:56 ago (+2/-1)*
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 20:32:34 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 08:40:01 ago (+1/-0)
What the Church does has nothing to do with the religion.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 10:09:04 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 13:31:04 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] s23erdctfvyg
[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 1 point 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:38:01 ago (+1/-0)
I'm not sure where you got, >You fucking retards act like Europe had no culture
When it's apparent that the two groups have different traditions. With Pagans having the largest volume of traditions, as their traditions typically are orientated from which part of Europe they are from.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 20:31:43 ago (+0/-1)
It's all just a sad cope to deal with the fact that jews used their economic power to pressure the leaders of our ancestors into forcibly converting our people so they could lie to us about religion. Rather than rejecting the holy book that contains the jewish torah and teaches people to worship the king of the jews, they want to cling to the one thing they were raised with that has a couple anti-jewish verses at the end after 1000 pages of calling jews the chosen ones. Spiritually, our people would be much better off throwing jewish bullshit in the garbage where it belongs and reconnecting with the beliefs of our ancestors.
Something I'll note here is that while christianity bastardized the holiday decorations, there are some things at the root of Pagan beliefs that they did not keep. Modern day Asatru Pagans regularly praise and venerate their own ancestors. There's a ritual called Sumbol where they pass a horn around the circle and everyone has to pick one of their ancestors to say something good about. It's a revival of ancient Nordic/Germanic Pagan practices where celebrating one's ancestors were an important part of their faith. Those rituals that celebrate our ancestors got tossed right out the window when the jews converted our ancestors to christianity, replaced by church services where we learn about jewish people's ancestors and ignore our own.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:39:29 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 20:25:29 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 22:43:02 ago (+0/-1)
As the guy says in the video all cultures and religions 'sing', if the Christian carols are just reworded former Pagan songs then that might hold but it doesn't.
As to Easter and Mary - those weren't even mentioned here -'whataboutism'.
Nope, that's simply not what this guy or I are saying at all.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 22:56:42 ago (+0/-1)
And yes, that is exactly what this guy is saying. In many cases (Yule trees and wassailing being perfect examples) the place where the christian version of those traditions began was the same place Pagans were doing that exact thing and they simply put a minor spin on the same old tradition when they changed religions. The idea of christmas caroling is not just singing, but going through the streets door to door holding candles and singing. Lots of religions sing, even in groups, but few walk through the streets going from home to home singing to the people in each home, and that practice of christmas caroling began in England where they were already wassailing during the late fall under Paganism and simply changed what songs they were singing. Caroling as a group going through the streets is not widely practiced outside the British isles and countries like the US that were largely settled by the British. There's literally a direct line from wassailing to christmas caroling as a practice that only people who did wassailing really picked up on. Same with Yule trees turning into christmas trees - the Germanic and Nordic peoples who were already celebrating with Yule trees adopted the christmas tree tradition before anyone else, and the tradition didn't spread until a bunch of Germanic and Nordic immigrants brought it to America and it was popularized and spread through American culture. Direct line from one tradition to another. St Nick is another - the reindeer and present giving and basically everything but the name already existed in Pagan traditions focused around the same holiday, all they did was change the name - and Rudolph is jewish, so the jews tacked that part on.
You're coping hard as fuck to not have to admit that christianity is a jewish control scheme that incorporated whatever traditions and practices it needed to in order to trick people into worshiping jews and their jew god.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar -1 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:25:08 ago (+0/-1)
You're really just conflating one thing as coming from another becaus ethey are similar not realizing these things are historically and anthropologically common across multiple disparate groups.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 23:22:57 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar -1 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:20:07 ago (+0/-1)
Typical deflection.
YIt ios like saying a group of individuals go to africa - teach the natives a different way of doing things according to how the new arrivals do them and want them done - couple of hundreds years later you are on social media telling everyone 'these guys just rebranded how all the africans did things - it's not new or different at all'.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:20:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 0 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 15:10:47 ago (+0/-0)
Christians came along with 'their ' own thing.
Go cope somewhere else
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] -2 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 16:22:06 ago (+1/-3)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 4 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 17:35:13 ago (+4/-0)*
All those things were stolen from White Pagans.
Santa Claus? You don't like "Saint Nicholas" the smelly rapist Sand-Nigger from the Middle East.
You like the fat White guy who dresses up in a red robe and hangs out with his pet reindeer.
You hate all the "official" Christian Christmas activities, like attending Christmas mass.
So, you might as well just dump the Christ-Cuck shit and admit that you just like being White.
Welcome to White Nationalist Paganism.
It's OK to be White.
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:31:47 ago (+0/-0)
You're talking about Roman Empire.
Why do you think They were muslims and kikes?
They were whiter than Americans and fought against kikes and muzzies.
What about Hadrian? Did he smell bad and was kike too?
Anyway in Europe you have three guys:
Western have Roman Saint Nicholas. North and non European Whites have Saint Klaus (Santa Clause who lives in Laplandia)
And Eastern Europe because of heavy oppression of church had Chad Freeze and his niece Snow girl
https://files.catbox.moe/cv9amt.jpg
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 18:56:11 ago (+1/-0)
Shut the fuck up nigger. You make excuses to worship Jews.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist -1 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:27:04 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:31:17 ago (+1/-0)
You don't actually give a fuck about "Christian Christmas".
You only care about the fictional parts of Christmas that were invented to make "Christian Christmas" bearable.
Let's just put "Santa's Robe" down as "Exhibit A"
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 17:05:57 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 1 point 5 monthsNov 7, 2023 14:52:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] -2 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 17:16:44 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 20:10:46 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 19:28:32 ago (+0/-0)
12 days of Christmas references the number you can count to on one hand by the old counting/numbering system (index finger to pinky), its a round number, and Christmas was a hybrid between yule and saturnalia, the latter of which chose a 12 day holiday for their people in the cold of winter.
Saturn has little to do with mistletoe kisses, rather it was a tradition originating with the druids, not Greeks or Romans. They didnt kiss each other under the mistletoe, but did see it as good fortune since it rested upon the branches of an oak.
The five pointed star comes from hellenics, hermetics, and zororastrians, is indeed a symbol of the five classical elements air, earth, fire, water, and spirit, each of which had their assigned place on the star. It's a fitting symbol for the star of Bethlehem because the men who visited christ as a babe were Zororastrian magi. The concept of the Christmas tree does indeed date back to yule, but they didn't have yule trees as an equivalent to Christmas trees, they had one great oak that was never cut down and was decorated with hanging lanterns. Oak trees were sacred and represented the world tree in this ritual, each light was one of the nine worlds that rested upon its branches. Hanging a star at the top was merely a way to get the star if bethelhem up on a fittingly high place.
I'm not watching the rest of this video but a brief web search reveals both of these numbnuts as being wrong in some way. Each is just saying whatever they can to assert that the traditions are theirs and a bit of research reveals then to have emerged from a confluence of old traditions that bear little resemblance to the modern practices. Both of pagan and Christian origin, some even coming from the middle east and their religions.
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] -1 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 20:02:34 ago (+0/-1)
We don't put Christmas lights and tree in November.
In Europe you have Christmas tree for 12 days. Day Christ was born and toss tree day he was visited by Three kings.
Simple as fuck and was always like this in Europe.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:22:28 ago (+0/-0)
December, right? Yule and Saturnalia occupy the same time range as December, which is wintertime. The time when it is colder, sometime between the summer solstice and vernal equinox, containing the winter solstice within it.
One hand of counting.
I have trouble comprehending what you are saying here.
cool.
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 0 points 5 monthsNov 4, 2023 17:08:24 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] TheBigGuyFromQueens
[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens -1 points 5 monthsNov 5, 2023 01:33:43 ago (+0/-1)