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how do front end developers do front end crap?

submitted by heytheremyfriends to Rants 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 10:00:22 ago (+3/-0)     (Rants)

I've been doing some front end to back end integration for my friend's side project. I noticed that when you account for me doing the backend stuff (identity, databasing, modelling, etc) and then when you factor in that I'm the only one who can integrate the data services to the frontend, and you further account having to do validation and round trip debugging, Im pretty much doing all the work. So I decided to get down and dirty with the front end, as he had suggested NextJS. I just have no words sometimes for the cryptic bullshit i have to witness, hidden conventions, file loaders for everything, what the fuck is the difference between babel and gulp. Im trying to link data not gulp dowm some sprite niggas.

And as sad as it is, i can fully see why front end devs make less money: when you take away their fancy front end toys, they cant really do much else. Full stack was just a jewish way of shoving two jobs into the price of one. But then you see idiotic crap like the NextJS convention bragging about inline SQL ... as if backend systems never warned about non sanitized data. It's like Full Stack being made by front end devs ends in a complete disaster. A good example, one of the requirements for the project was a multi tenant environment that could simulate virtualized tenants/organizations within the app. Good luck coding that shit in the front end with your shitty NodeJS system


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[ - ] StealthNinjaTaliban 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 10:57:48 ago (+1/-0)

Front end is all just graphic, user interface, and designing logical menus. Im extremely unimpressed when a girl tells me she does front end development like thats an accomplishment.

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 11:47:52 ago (+1/-0)

I've worked in places where the FE team can't even say that. We were using SSR to dynamically generate content based off data templates. All the FE team did was pretty much place the dynamic content in a grid.

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 13:48:49 ago (+0/-0)

This is where you get pretty websites with dogshit functionality.

[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 10:28:10 ago (+1/-0)

I'd do backend work over frontend any day of the week. Too much bullshit to deal with on the front end because of multiple clients and shitty specs. At least on the backend you control what software you are dealing with.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 12:20:49 ago (+1/-0)

At the first firm I worked for, all I wanted was to get something resembling HTML to render. I'll deal with making it look nice and render properly on a computer, phone, smart fridge or 85" 8k TV.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 12:17:46 ago (+0/-0)

Front-end developer...I write HTML, CSS and vanilla Javascript like its 2006.

All that packaged bullshit is useless bloat that's unnecessary to accomplish almost everything.

Best dev practices will always be MVC - let me fuck with the view, backend can build the model and basic controllers. If the project is overly complicated (I can't replicate and modify an existing function to suit this new need) I will bug my backend friends...if not, its on me to finish it to the point the client is all happy with their pretty pile of 1s and 0s.

PHP and WordPress is garbage and is the start of "need to use package managers" era of "development". These template builders are truly only worth $30k a year.

I miss .NET

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 12:51:01 ago (+1/-0)

.NET now has Blazor and WASM which I love. It allows me to use mediator and adapter patterns and do a ton of cool stuff. The problem is whne you mix a thin client model on top of the server, the entire architecture changes in the process.

[ - ] bobdole9 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 13:20:28 ago (+0/-0)

Microsoft fucking things up trying to "fix your code"?

TOTALLY UNLIKE MICROSOFT.

At least they're trying to make life less miserable for users.

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 13:44:53 ago (+0/-0)

At least MS sort of went for a semblance of integration when tying all the azure crap together. The same can't be said for the front end eco systems which is garbage duct taping together more garbage. WCF used to be rock solid as did WebAPI

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 13:51:18 ago (+0/-0)

All that packaged bullshit is useless bloat that's unnecessary to accomplish almost everything.

It's an effort to allow less intelligent diversity hires do the job. In a bullshit-jewy-business sort of way, they can look like they do it for awhile until everything doesn't work and it's all fucked up.

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 14:27:25 ago (+0/-0)

reminds me of asians, its VERY process oriented, but as soon as you delve out of the process, it breaks apart. A good example (shows how old i am), when WPF and Silverlight were around, Prism allowed you to override the module loader with MEF, Unity, and even let you specify the granularity of the folder locators, out of the box. Good luck doing any of that crap in Angular or React without having to boil into the depths of hell that is Babel, Gulp, NPM, PNPM, Yarn, whatever the fuck flavor of the day bullshit

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 2, 2023 14:30:55 ago (+0/-0)

whatever the fuck flavor of the day bullshit

And that's how you know it for what it is. When it becomes part of the FotD bullshit spouted by know-nothing MBAs. Or, you know, idiot diversity hires.