If I could do it all over again I would try mechanical or chemical engineer. I went into computer engineering and work with a lot of electrical engineers. Both of those jobs suck. Unfortunately those fields have globohomo corps pushing people around and outsourcing H1b’s to pajeets. The amount of middle management idiots you have to deal with is also shit. With that said I don’t know too much about chemical or mechanical. I would imagine mechanical you absolutely can’t hire incompetent people or shit breaks and people die.
yes i was happy about that as well. since its more physical than other engineerings jobs as well as requiring a security clearance (which i have) i could go into defense and not have to compete with as many people
You should pick the field that most interests you in order to make the classes more bearable.
I want to stress this. For many years in my field, I actually did not mind going to work, because I was heavily interested in what I did. Do not pick the one that makes the most money in general. The more satisfied you are with your work, the better your mental state will be.
I’m going to advise chemical engineering. There are so many unknowns in this field. So much remains undiscovered. Many many very smart people have entered this field of engineering yet so much remains undiscovered. Try not to end up as a product producing pogue be a researcher AND KICK ASS!
You should at least consider looking into a two-year technician program in any of those fields as well. There's a genuine emergency in those fields due to a lack of anyone available to fill the positions. The pay is great and you're not stuck behind a desk all day.
My dad is a structural engineer. He’s almost 80 and people still line up to hire him. He’s also a millionaire about 10 times over. He does off shore oil rigs. That particular genre of engineering pays pretty well if you work for yourself.
That's a tough one. The jobs in computer or electric engineering for the most part suck shit.
With computer engineering you learn how to make computer chips and build a computer from chips upwards, a skill nobody will pay you for.
Working around chemicals sucks shit too, because a lot of it is poisonous
Also electric engineering is hard because you are not just learning the material you are competing with smart people for grades.
Most things you can build mechanically could be replaced by electronics, and most things built by electronics can be built in software.
So companies build most everything in software.
Software jobs suck in part because they foreigners don't have to pay for school. Foreign countries pay for them to come an steal US technology. And also suck because of Agile - a business fad.
[ - ] Garrett [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 12:55:24 ago (+1/-0)
im smart enough to get good grades. i was leaning towards mechanical because ive seen it has the best job growth projections even if the median salary isnt as high as for electrical engineering
Being smart isn't the issue. They are all super fun to learn. Most people who go into these have at least about a 128 IQ and can get good grades
Concerns are partly financial and partly how much fun is it. What is the least cost way you can learn it. And how can you be sure you will get to use that ability in a fun way.
A lot of enjoyment comes from how you can do something relevant to those important in your life.
They all have problems. If you learn something defined by physics, it does not change. Mechanical, Electrical. If you learn computer science - the theory maybe somewhat static, but software changes all the time so you are learning forever, including learning systems with over 400k lines of code. Often millions of lines.
Is there excessive competition in software? Maybe so but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
So there is the content you learn and then the jobs available.
Can a person become an expert on the material - (not really on software)
What is the most useful in daily life? How about in a survival situation?
Daily life - probably software then maybe mechanical, then electrical.
Survival - mechanical, electrical, or chemical are good for survival.
If you can crack plastic with zeolite to make fuel you will be a king in a survival situation.
So recommendation:
If you don't need money then take whatever you most enjoy. Or if you really really love one topic.
If you have to struggle to survive, there are more software jobs but you have to compete intensely every time you interview.
[ - ] Garrett [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:29:42 ago (+1/-0)
thats what im afraid of. that companies can just jerk me around because they have a million more applicants. whereas with engineering such as mech and electrical there r a ton of jobs and the coursework to complete undergrad is harder (imo) which weeds out a lot of people
If you're interested in mechanical, electrical, and computer engineering, you should look into electronics engineering technology. It's sort of a combination of those three.
There are some jobs where they have to hire US citizens. Security jobs etc. But you sit in a vault so those jobs kind of suck.
Consider creating some fake resumes and sending them out with a protonmail account.
For each of the kinds of jobs you want. And see how many responses you get with various kinds of education. Consider the years and cost.
Also look into a professional engineering license. With mechanical or electrical you can do that. And get paid to bestow blessings upon others work.
One play is to aim to be a sinecure for a content of unchanging knowledge and be able to develop deep knowledge of the topic such that there is a high barrier to competition. And that knowledge would be relevant to those around you.
Knew someone who opened a shop selling food near a bus stop to students. Those students would spend lots of time and money and eventually get out and make a salary. The food store owner was making a lot more than they would.
Maybe read rich dad poor Dad. Think about your financial situation, what really makes you money. Or is it learning because it's just awesome.
Electrical is Make circuits, learn analysis optimizations, learn optimizing math (Laplace transforms) abstract that whole thing into linear analysis, then digital signal processing. Communication math.
Or power engineering, move away from civilization to where power is generated, and your kids live by nobody. Or make an electrical company performing electrical work.
And then you can make filters or control waveforms and transmit them.
Another thing to think about is if the company owns all the machinery used for innovation, if so there is less you control.
There's also Thermodynamics, and biotech. Interesting topics for personal reading
Think of it in terms of trading a specific thing with a specific person or group of people.
Such as - hey just made this new software, do you want to try it?
Hey just made this new circuit, want to try it?
Hey just made this new mechanism, want to try it?
Which one are people most likely to give you personally the most money for?
There's also solar. There are lots of bits, you can obtain all your energy for your house. The guy would pipe heat from the attic out through the dryer for example.
All these capabilities allow you to save time, or control your environment to save time or impress people.
Consider though what will you spend the time you have saved upon?
And know that your youth is the most valuable time, as you have the most opportunity.
I have a friend that studies computer engineering. So you can write binary and build a computer. Very limited scope of work. Computer science (programming) is where the jobs are. A cs degree is a golden ticket.
If you want money, go with CS. I have worked with phds in electrical engineering and while they made maybe 100-120, they would be in the 300k range if they were in software. I am in software with no cs degree and I still do quite well.
It's test software, automation, then development. And along the way people are trying to stop you. People only want to give you the job you already did.
No, just get the degree - ideally a master's too.
Or you can take electrical - computer engineering and then read CS books and get CS jobs.
I signed up for 2 weekend certificates in web dev. By the end of it, I had a job. But to be fair, it took a lot of time before the classes started and such. I don't expect that you will have the issues I did.
I think you should dig deep inside yourself and try to determine what really blows your dress up (so to speak). Go with what you love and you can't go wrong. I know a civil engineer who designs septic systems. He LOVES it, and that love and brought him a lot of business and wealth. (works for himself and hires others)
Septic systems for christs sake. He designs and lays out like subdivisions etc. I would totally fail in that game, because I find it boring. Find what you love.
Good luck Garrett, always appreciated your presence and wisdom on voat. If I hadn't sold my company, I'd hire a guy like you in a heartbeat.
Depends on where you live. Chemical engineering is where it’s at where I live. Pick a good university for chemical engineering. Don’t just go to any school. This actually is a thing. There is a somewhat unknown university where I live with the exception of the engineering department. A Chem E from this podunk university actually holds some decent weight out there in the real world.
Oil refineries and chemical plants is a huge part of it. At least around here. There are places in the lumber and forest product industries for as well. The end result is that there are many more open doors for a Chem E than the others.
[ + ] Localuser
[ - ] Localuser 3 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:36:37 ago (+3/-0)
With that said I don’t know too much about chemical or mechanical. I would imagine mechanical you absolutely can’t hire incompetent people or shit breaks and people die.
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[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 3 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:03:55 ago (+3/-0)
You should pick the field that most interests you in order to make the classes more bearable.
There is a need for all types of engineers, and the pay varies more on the talent and opportunity than the field.
Even a talented civil engineer can make good money and have a good living.
[ + ] GrayDragon
[ - ] GrayDragon 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 17:03:39 ago (+0/-0)
I want to stress this. For many years in my field, I actually did not mind going to work, because I was heavily interested in what I did. Do not pick the one that makes the most money in general. The more satisfied you are with your work, the better your mental state will be.
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[ + ] Cantaloupe
[ - ] Cantaloupe 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 12:48:47 ago (+1/-0)*
With computer engineering you learn how to make computer chips and build a computer from chips upwards, a skill nobody will pay you for.
Working around chemicals sucks shit too, because a lot of it is poisonous
Also electric engineering is hard because you are not just learning the material you are competing with smart people for grades.
Most things you can build mechanically could be replaced by electronics, and most things built by electronics can be built in software.
So companies build most everything in software.
Software jobs suck in part because they foreigners don't have to pay for school. Foreign countries pay for them to come an steal US technology. And also suck because of Agile - a business fad.
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 12:55:24 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Cantaloupe
[ - ] Cantaloupe 2 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:02:19 ago (+2/-0)*
Concerns are partly financial and partly how much fun is it. What is the least cost way you can learn it. And how can you be sure you will get to use that ability in a fun way.
A lot of enjoyment comes from how you can do something relevant to those important in your life.
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett [op] 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:09:58 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Cantaloupe
[ - ] Cantaloupe 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:11:04 ago (+0/-0)*
Is there excessive competition in software? Maybe so but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
So there is the content you learn and then the jobs available.
Can a person become an expert on the material - (not really on software)
What is the most useful in daily life? How about in a survival situation?
Daily life - probably software then maybe mechanical, then electrical.
Survival - mechanical, electrical, or chemical are good for survival.
If you can crack plastic with zeolite to make fuel you will be a king in a survival situation.
So recommendation:
If you don't need money then take whatever you most enjoy. Or if you really really love one topic.
If you have to struggle to survive, there are more software jobs but you have to compete intensely every time you interview.
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:29:42 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:31:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Cantaloupe
[ - ] Cantaloupe 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 13:38:23 ago (+0/-0)*
Consider creating some fake resumes and sending them out with a protonmail account.
For each of the kinds of jobs you want. And see how many responses you get with various kinds of education. Consider the years and cost.
Also look into a professional engineering license. With mechanical or electrical you can do that. And get paid to bestow blessings upon others work.
One play is to aim to be a sinecure for a content of unchanging knowledge and be able to develop deep knowledge of the topic such that there is a high barrier to competition. And that knowledge would be relevant to those around you.
Knew someone who opened a shop selling food near a bus stop to students. Those students would spend lots of time and money and eventually get out and make a salary. The food store owner was making a lot more than they would.
Maybe read rich dad poor Dad. Think about your financial situation, what really makes you money. Or is it learning because it's just awesome.
Electrical is
Make circuits, learn analysis optimizations, learn optimizing math (Laplace transforms) abstract that whole thing into linear analysis, then digital signal processing. Communication math.
Or power engineering, move away from civilization to where power is generated, and your kids live by nobody.
Or make an electrical company performing electrical work.
And then you can make filters or control waveforms and transmit them.
Another thing to think about is if the company owns all the machinery used for innovation, if so there is less you control.
There's also Thermodynamics, and biotech. Interesting topics for personal reading
Think of it in terms of trading a specific thing with a specific person or group of people.
Such as - hey just made this new software, do you want to try it?
Hey just made this new circuit, want to try it?
Hey just made this new mechanism, want to try it?
Which one are people most likely to give you personally the most money for?
There's also solar. There are lots of bits, you can obtain all your energy for your house. The guy would pipe heat from the attic out through the dryer for example.
All these capabilities allow you to save time, or control your environment to save time or impress people.
Consider though what will you spend the time you have saved upon?
And know that your youth is the most valuable time, as you have the most opportunity.
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[ + ] Cantaloupe
[ - ] Cantaloupe 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 20:01:05 ago (+0/-0)*
It's test software, automation, then development. And along the way people are trying to stop you. People only want to give you the job you already did.
No, just get the degree - ideally a master's too.
Or you can take electrical - computer engineering and then read CS books and get CS jobs.
Both are hard paths
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[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 20:15:09 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] beece 0 points 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 15:30:49 ago (+0/-0)
Septic systems for christs sake. He designs and lays out like subdivisions etc. I would totally fail in that game, because I find it boring. Find what you love.
Good luck Garrett, always appreciated your presence and wisdom on voat. If I hadn't sold my company, I'd hire a guy like you in a heartbeat.
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[ - ] Cantaloupe 1 point 7 monthsOct 14, 2023 20:09:20 ago (+1/-0)
Always a big let down
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