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Notice: no option to ask the engineers why they say what they do. Matters of science are no longer about drawing conclusions from evidence, they are only about how many members of the priest caste support a dogmatic stance (nominally informed by evidence that only they have special access to).

submitted by AntiPostmodernist to whatever 7 monthsOct 3, 2023 22:15:26 ago (+47/-2)     (www.youtube.com)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UvZn5Ngt6Xs

It's all a matter of trust in things unseen, also known as "faith".

In what way is this not religious? Sounds like Medieval Age Catholicism.

"You don't get to talk to God or read the Holy Bible, only they (the priests) do, and you just trust in them to relate God's will to you correctly. To question them is to question the will of God".

The true poison is smugness and punishing anyone who displays ignorance or gets something incorrect. In order to continue to be right, we must feel free to be wrong. Not afraid of condemnation for saying something that isn't in total agreement with the consensus dogma.

That creates a playground for shills and con artists. Kill your condescension, show sympathy to those with whom you disagree or feel disappointment with, try to understand that everyone has reasons for thinking, speaking and acting as they do, reasons for why they make sense to themselves, behind every bit of foolishness is a spark of brilliance that can be salvaged and made to shine even brighter.

Carl Sagan put it best, rather than discouraging curiosity and unorthodox thought, promote scientific investigation practices and logical reasoning processes, obviously dumb questions like why the grass is green or the moon is round are always needed to be asked and answered.

It's good practice to follow the steps taken by the great minds that came before, that is the journey everyone should be encouraged to walk. It is your hostility, derision, humiliation, and condescension that discourages people from becoming educated and developing into great thinkers.

It's not just about believing the right things, a religion has been made in the mocking image of science, and they called it science when it is a pale imposter of the true discipline.


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[ - ] Belfuro 8 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 00:12:24 ago (+8/-0)

Yep.
Science for decades has been about protecting existing failed hypothesis.

Like the standard model of cosmology and physics.

What do you mean the universe doesnt observably match our predictions?

Option A. Throw out the falsified theories about gravity etc.

Option jew. Keep training goyim grads on falsified science and invent a magical, nonfalsifiable substance called dark matter to glue the model to reality. Oh and spend billions of goyshekels trying and failing to discover goy matter.

They deliberately denied us the stars.

(yes it's true, all the Einstein theories if gravity is full of shit. So is big bang)

Not even James Webb telescope destroying existing models with high clarity is dislodging entrenched psuedo science

[ - ] TheNoticing 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 10:03:12 ago (+1/-0)

"We were wrong about the facts surrounding X, but that's ok, and here's how it doesn't defy our laws of physics."

[ - ] MichaelStewart 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 03:20:53 ago (+0/-0)

I knew this science nigger was retarded when I saw the clip of him twirling his iPhone around without a case on it because hurr durr practice makes perfect, if I spin it around in my fingers like it's a coin I'll get so used to it that I'll never drop it.

Cool, I'll brush up on my pull-out method enough times and I won't have to pay child support to fat chicks!

[ - ] Wahaha 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 04:43:11 ago (+1/-0)

Just buy a new one everytime you drop it. If you have something from Apple surely that's how it works.

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 04:36:33 ago (+0/-0)

False, science changes all the time based on evidence.

[ - ] Belfuro 3 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 05:22:36 ago (+3/-0)

Science does, psuedo science doesn't.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 11:56:24 ago (+1/-0)*

"Studies show that transgenders have the brains of the other biological sex".

"What study days that?".

"Just studies, I can't give you the exact ones,you just have to trust me bro".

look it up myself to find what must be the study they referenced

it says nothing like the claim that was being asserted by the troon apologist

"I think I heard about a study somewhere that says I'm right and you're wrong, just trust me bro" - Modern "science advocates".

[ - ] TheYiddler 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 06:33:49 ago (+1/-1)*

General relativity is rock solid. What cosmology gets wrong is that it uses the inverse square pattern for gravity. Mass interacts with gravity, causing it to fall off slower than 1/r^2. This negates the need for dark matter.

While relativity is solid, Einstein did steal it.

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:45:05 ago (+0/-0)

Like the standard model of cosmology and physics.

It's a fair bit more predictive than Phlogiston Theory, Aether Theory, or any number of things that came before it. It's gotten us to the Moon, Mars, out of the Solar System (or at least to some semblance of interstellar medium).

Einstein's Special Relativity equations basically enable GPS to exist, so you're likely benefiting from SR now (and it's used on bulldozers to grade roads so you're benefiting from it sometime whether you believe in it or not). We've observed gravitational lensing (also predicted by General Relativity) from the sun and from distant black holes. Relativity is pretty good, and Einstein was just the last in a list of scientists to describe it (not like he laid all the groundwork for the entire theory and all that). Maybe he was the best to articulate it, but I mean, Newton vs. Leibniz, Edison vs. Tesla... breakthroughs like this always have more than one person working on them. At least Watson & Crick collaborated on DNA characterization I suppose...

falsified science and invent a magical, nonfalsifiable substance called dark matter to glue the model to reality

Now that, yes, I've always had a problem with. BILLIONS of dollars have been awarded to find dark matter with ZERO proof AT EVERY FUCKING STEP. And what's the excuse every fucking time? "Oh, we just need a bigger, more expensive detector!". It's a goddamn racket just like the race hustlers. "Oh there's racism out there! We just need more gibs to find it." It's only a matter of time before the dark matter zealots start falsifying data like the race hustlers.

Anyway that's why there are competing theories like Modified Gravity which I personally like because I mean... like you said, the current models are falling short of a full explanation of reality (which, we're not God, we'll never get the full understanding in this realm). But that doesn't mean we just discard them as useless - they've certainly proven some worth. We modify them, adapt them, bring them into accord with our observation of reality. GR/SR doesn't mesh with quantum mechanics, quantum mechanics literally rests on "random chance" which is about as wishy washy as you get with science (and yet we still make it useful, interestingly enough)...

So yea, our physics falls a little short of explaining the entirety of reality, but it sorta works gooder than the physics that was in place before it, so we're gonna run with it. Unless you've got something better to bring to the table? Which brings me to my final point - physics and all of science generally is only useful insofar as man can use it. Of what significance is the origin of the universe? How does that butter my bread? How does that drive me to work? What good does knowing that do?

But yea man, dark matter is definitely one of the dumber grifts in physics. Unless you count anthropogenic global warming aka climate change aka "whatever the new grift is" as in the realm of physics.

[ - ] deleted 6 points 7 monthsOct 3, 2023 22:34:04 ago (+6/-0)

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[ - ] FacelessOne 3 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 01:46:11 ago (+3/-0)

So your saying space is fake and gay, aliens are demons. Project blue beam incoming?

[ - ] deleted 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:23:21 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 04:37:16 ago (+0/-0)

What did the bible say about it?

[ - ] deleted 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:20:48 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] doginventer 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 08:39:08 ago (+0/-0)

But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:38

[ - ] Portmanure 4 points 7 monthsOct 3, 2023 22:23:32 ago (+4/-0)*

In the end it doesn’t matter. Bridges built on belief will fall. It already happened in Miami. Science doesn’t lie, scientist do.

https://wentworthreport.com/2018/03/19/diversity-fail-all-women-engineering-team-blamed-for-collapse-of-miami-pedestrian-bridge/

(Rest assured the spin doctors have been hard at work to hide the truth.)

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:13:38 ago (+1/-0)

It depends on if the engineer's paycheck depends on you not driving across the bridge (maybe the engineer works for OtherBridge, LLC).

The fact is everyone has competing interests that will affect the purity of their assessments. If a doctor has a pharma contract or a quota to meet, you might get prescribed a treatment you don't need (or worse, is bad for you [cough-oxycontin-cough]). And pharma of course is even worse - they knew oxycontin was crazy addictive, marketed it completely opposite, made a bajillion dollars, and paid a fraction of that in penalties. Honesty and purity didn't pay out there, did they?

Let's go even MORE direct - that walking bridge collapse in Miami. How many engineers signed off on that? All working for the engineering firm hired to build it. Why'd they sign off? Because it would've cost too much to rebuild it correctly.

Who said it would fail? The one engineer whose paycheck didn't depend on the success of the bridge - rather, it depended on the accuracy of his assessment (which was that the bridge was unsafe).

So there you have the anti-consensus argument - a team of a dozen (give/take) engineers said the bridge is safe, and one other said it wasn't. I guess Neil would be pulled from the rubble like the 6 others who died (of course they didn't know).

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 11:50:53 ago (+1/-0)

There also the fact that a consensus of 99 scientists or engineers is actually just the word of one or a small few.

One expert says something, maybe he gets checked and vindicated by another expert, but the rest of the experts who agree are simply agreeing with the first 1-3 experts whose work they never checked but whose word they simply trust in to be correct.

So it may look like 99 experts when in truth it's just the word of 3 experts at most.

We all do this, the large majority of what we believe in is based on trust, it comes from a long chain of trust between us and the source of the information.

Even within the professional communities of scientists and engineers, most are unable to personally verify everything with evidence or experimentation, they rely upon their colleagues for the majority of what they believe to be true eveb within their own specialized field.

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 12:45:53 ago (+0/-0)

Very true. In fact, as a budding young chemist, I was on the AGW train in the beginning. CO2 absorbed infrared and gets excited (raising temperature), I get that. Earth's blackbody radiation from being heated by the sun is emitted as infrared, okay. So more CO2 = more IR absorption = more excitement = more temperature. That tracks just as well now as it did then.

But the experts were talking runaway CO2 turning us into Venus... Now hold on there - ice core data says CO2 was higher in the past; why didn't it run away then? Wait, ice core data definitively proves that, without exception, CO2 is a lagging indicator of temperature increase? Well hell, the first time the temperature increased, you'd have a runaway feedback loop where the temp. increase raises the CO2 levels which increases the temperature which releases more CO2...

Somehow that's never happened. I wonder why? Then you couple that with the myriad of failed predictions, the constant changing of goalposts and models, even fucking backfilling data, and... you don't have to be an expert to know not to trust the "experts" on this one.

There is something to be said for trusting the experts. There's a lot more to be said for retaining your faculties of reason in lieu of trusting the experts. Those same faculties of reason are the ones that suggest, generally, you can trust experts (who've proven themselves to be experts), so they should always rule the day.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 13:22:25 ago (+1/-0)

I think one of the worst things to happen to science was this attitude that developed towards people who got things wrong.

We treat it as if it's some grace offense, responding to questions or incorrect statements with aggression or derision, often attacking those who asked the question or made the incorrect claim.

This really got bad within the new atheist community, where anyone who was wrong about anything or who asked a question was punished for having done so.

As a result everyone was buried into group think and intimidated away from exploring the truth on their own, and as a result a science fell away from inquiry and discussion into just accepting dogma as a matter of faith.

This produced the kind of dynamic we see tearing the world apart today. We need people to ask questions with obvious answers and to receive those answers, this must be a continual process, we need people to feel free to state what they believe to be true and not be afraid of getting attacked as they are corrected.

We need to be friendly and respectful towards people who express curiosity about even what seems most obvious to us, and we need people to make incorrect claims so that they can be corrected.

Attacking them for doing these things only intimidates them away from doing such things and produces a culture where science becomes a matter of faith rather than free investigation and peer consultation.

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 14:18:05 ago (+0/-0)

Well assessed, well put.

[ - ] edmundo 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 05:56:37 ago (+1/-0)

I tell you what I'd do. Take the god damn truck and use a remote steering device to check the bridge. This is what a real experiment is. Asking opinions is not an experiment, it's just that - asking for opinions. Nothing more.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 20:12:34 ago (+0/-0)

Exactamundo senior!

[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 19:57:05 ago (+0/-0)

ask yourself what came before "peer review" in science

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 20:17:06 ago (+0/-0)

The same, except that everybody was considered a peer. No cloistered brotherhood of "experts" safeguarding their secrets and telling outsiders that they were unqualified to participate in the scientific endeavor.
Everything was a matter of public record and all knowledge was made as accessible as it could possibly have been.
Peer review fails because gatekeeping the accessibility to participation in the scientific world means that most works go without replication or falsification.

[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 21:14:28 ago (+0/-0)

no, it was reproducibility

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 21:31:54 ago (+0/-0)

You know what I meant.

[ - ] Rebooted 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 12:23:10 ago (+0/-0)

Tyson is of the new religion, Science (capitalized). The very framing of his question demonstrates a complete lack of understanding for the rational method and the engineering disciplines which emanate from it.

[ - ] Version6 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:00:57 ago (+0/-0)

Member when the sun moved around the earth? Didn't somebody die for saying it was the other way around? The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 08:12:42 ago (+1/-1)

So moon landing
Nukes
Globe earth
Dark matter
Light is a wave and photon
Covid 1984

How many things does the science have to lie about before you realize most of it is ablie

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 7 monthsOct 5, 2023 19:39:25 ago (+0/-0)

Remember how scientists covered up the fact that obesity was tied to the consumption of neosugars, and had successfully done so over the course of decades?

[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 05:12:48 ago (+0/-0)

THERE. IS. NO. SUCH. THING. AS. A. NIGGER. SCIENTIST.

IT. IS. SCIENTIFICALLY. IMPOSSIBLE.

THAT'S. ACTUAL. SCIENCE.

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 03:54:47 ago (+0/-0)

Facts don't matter. Because of information sharing on the internet, people will always find whatever narrative suits them and go with that

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 16:56:19 ago (+1/-0)

Post-truth world. We are drowning in information, so we just grab onto whatever confirms our biases and tae faith in that, while at the same time denying that we believing as we do on the basis of faith.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior -1 points 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 08:27:54 ago (+0/-1)

If nukes where real and what they have recently been described as we would have more nukes being seen by the public.

Neal da bike their Tyson said recently that modern nukes don't have 10,000 year radioactive wasteland as the after effect. There has never been a nuclear wasteland any where.

So if new nukes don't leave a waste land someone would go to the Nevada desert or Siberia and for new years explode a nuke people would pay big money to see it.

But guess what nukes are fake and gay but trust your local kike scientist

[ - ] Version6 1 point 7 monthsOct 4, 2023 09:03:59 ago (+1/-0)

Well there is supposed to be an Arctic nuke test in the next year or two. We'll be able to see what happens then. (Russia has announced it will test)