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How can a Christian both believe in free will and guided will?

submitted by heytheremyfriends to Rants 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 13:22:31 ago (+2/-0)     (Rants)

Most of this rant is guided towards the wokeist monstrosity that is modern day liberalism wrapped up in perverted, severely misinterpreted Church ideals.

This is something that I ponder about, and it's made more apparent today based off the complete destruction of my home country. Many Christians believe in free will, salvation must come from within, you must believe in God. All of this makes complete sense. But when it comes to lifting a finger to help a fellow Christian, or trying to keep their entire community from going to crap, they stop believing in free will. At that point it becomes part of God's plan, and we have to sit back and do nothing whilst the country burns.

My gf for example has gotten upset at me numerous time for being too generous and wanting to help people. It was money and time i could afford to spend, so i didnt mind at all. And if my help is what allows someone to be guided to Christ through their own journey, than Im happy. But this goes back to the crux of the matter, the Bible says it is up to us to go out and help others. When someone does just that, the Christian community immediately recoils in horror.

Sure they might do a church day here and there, but really it goes back to the issue of a "look at me and what im doing". Surprising no one, the way the modern day church helps people is the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus said we should do. In my case, I only tend to help White people, and people in dire need of help. I give them a job of some kind, and than i pay them for the service. I can say they did something to earn that time and money. It is NOT freely given, but rather given as a factor of determination by the other person. When I help, i dont care about whether someone knows, i just do it. And if people commend me for it, that's fine. And if i dont, that's not a big deal either. We're still friends to this day, and that's what matters. Some of these people DID come to Christ through my actions, which is what the intent was the entire time. I didn't force it down their throat, i let themselves be guided to Him.

This goes into the second issue: the nature of committing to destructive ideals of the common population. Murder is a great example of this. The concept has been so badly butchered. It used to be murder had intent, as in you wanted to kill someone UNPROVOKED. However, murder as a concept has gone from the unprovoked killing of the innocent, to the provoked killing of criminals. I was talking to my gf and her family one dinner day, and we ran into a massive issue over the definition of murder. They conflated killing an innocent bystander in cold blood to caste doctrine self defense.

Of course these people live in a massive liberal shithole, but it boggled the mind how they could conflate self defense from armed assault with non escalating conversation holding. I think it's CT/NYC/NJ and a host of other liberal dumps where self defense is illegal. The problem is when someone comes with a gun and tries to kill you, you can't do anything. Shooting back is considered a crime, so its either death by criminal or death by court.

And they aren't the only people to think this, I've heard believers say self defense from getting shot at is a sin ... Get shot to prove how tolerant you are? Virtue about pacifism with your life, to prove what exactly? This then begs the question, how can modern day woke Christianity (i dont even see it as Christianity, just some perverted jewish reformation) ever move forward if it preaches an extinction doctrine?

I've also heard lying is a sin. I agree, it "can" be. But there are many many cases where not lying to prove a point will get you killed or maimed. I once had a pastor tell me all forms of lying is a sin. The question asked was if someone puts a gun to your head and asks you if you called the cops before they broke in, what do you say? The pastor didn't have a formal answer to this conundrum, just a hur dur, we hope this never happens to you. Sacrifice your family to the greater good? You'll die in a massive firefight, with no way to defend yourself, but at least you can say you didn't commit a sin.

And the OT and NT both have examples of people doing just that and Jesus forgiving them (Peter denying Jesus, and the prostitute lying about the location of the two men). The Bible even says that a sin is based off intent. It is not the lying that is the problem, it is deceiving an innocent individual that becomes the sin. If someone has absolved themselves of any responsibility or morals towards you as a person, why do we now need to honor them? Praying for your enemies can be done from a distance. You pray for their repentance, pray for them to become better people. Praying doesn't mean let yourself get shot by criminals to prove acceptance to misguided tolerance


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[ - ] Love240 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 13:56:34 ago (+2/-0)

Many Christians believe in free will, salvation must come from within, you must believe in God.

I don't quite like that phrasing. The free will to believe is still our choice, yes, however salvation comes from God imputing righteousness.

When someone does just that, the Christian community immediately recoils in horror.

Those aren't Christians, or at the least, they are not being Christian.

Surprising no one, the way the modern day church helps people is the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus said we should do.

This is why I agree with the New Independent Fundamental Baptist (which is Paul's also) stand-point on this, that there are local Churches that make up the body of Christ individually, that there is not a central authority other than the Lord Jesus.

We should not think of 'the Church' as including all who claim the name of Christ, but rather, as the body, we treat the members outside of the local Church individually based on their testimony as brethren or not, just as we treat those within.

I spent a lot of time meeting individual Christian brethren within their own homes, and was blessed and hope to have been a blessing to them. Yet it is not good to confuse the proclamations of organizations outside of our own local Church as if it were 'the Church'. This leads to confusion.

In my case, I only tend to help White people, and people in dire need of help.

The Lord God saith, be not respecters of persons. I'm not saying don't help Whites. Just that if a one you perceive needs help is not White, that is not a reason to withhold that which you can give.

Some of these people DID come to Christ through my actions, which is what the intent was the entire time. I didn't force it down their throat, i let themselves be guided to Him.

This is often derided as 'lifestyle evangelism'. If you have had some result, well Glory to God. I do not find it to be particularly effective, as most people are so self-absorbed, it doesn't really register. I find they must be confronted in their sin and unbelief. That the gospel may be preached and that they be won by the power of the word of God.

RE: self-defense; they have gone astray and regard not the word of God in this manner, I agree. We must obey God rather than men.

This then begs the question, how can modern day woke Christianity (i dont even see it as Christianity, just some perverted jewish reformation) ever move forward if it preaches an extinction doctrine?

I agree, it is not Christian.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Praying doesn't mean let yourself get shot by criminals to prove acceptance to misguided tolerance

Agreed. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 15:48:32 ago (+0/-0)

The Lord God saith, be not respecters of persons. I'm not saying don't help Whites. Just that if a one you perceive needs help is not White, that is not a reason to withhold that which you can give.
Agreed. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
These two quotes are contradictory. Most non-Europeans in European lands are invaders, know they are invaders, and are of the intention to do evil. To help them is to harm the innocent and is no different to letting yourself get shot.

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 4, 2023 10:41:26 ago (+0/-0)

Only a matter of time before fast and furious comes to Europe and the full civil war happens. Im sure the US will have one soon. Based off all the metrics, there is simply no way for the US or Europea to keep surviviing without popping the diversity pimple.

[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 4, 2023 13:11:15 ago (+0/-0)

If we were to know the mind of God, we wouldn't have free will, and that's just me coming from a deist/theist perspective

[ - ] Kozel 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 15:50:38 ago (+0/-0)

doublethink.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 15:43:07 ago (+0/-0)

But when it comes to lifting a finger to help a fellow Christian, or trying to keep their entire community from going to crap, they stop believing in free will. At that point it becomes part of God's plan, and we have to sit back and do nothing whilst the country burns.
It's copium for being lazy or fearful. To put it bluntly, the entire "iT Is PaRt oF God's PLaN" when confronted by a problem that can be dealt with, is the sin of sloth.

But this goes back to the crux of the matter, the Bible says it is up to us to go out and help others. When someone does just that, the Christian community immediately recoils in horror.
Sure they might do a church day here and there, but really it goes back to the issue of a "look at me and what im doing".
Which can be summarized as the sin of greed and pride. They seek to put themselves on a pedestal proclaiming how great they are and they seek ever more admiration.
They feed invasive niggers because it's fashionable, damning their nations.
You feed Europeans because you recognize you share a common future with them, and they need help.

This goes into the second issue: the nature of committing to destructive ideals of the common population. Murder is a great example of this. The concept has been so badly butchered. It used to be murder had intent, as in you wanted to kill someone UNPROVOKED. However, murder as a concept has gone from the unprovoked killing of the innocent, to the provoked killing of criminals. I was talking to my gf and her family one dinner day, and we ran into a massive issue over the definition of murder. They conflated killing an innocent bystander in cold blood to caste doctrine self defense.
God made man a living being first and foremost. So, murder will always be the act of killing without need. I'm not sure why they can't understand this, perhaps they do but are too cowardly to defend themselves, and so envious they try to prevent you from doing what God made man to do. Or perhaps it is just more greed and pride like the above.

You can guess my feelings about the remaining part.

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 14:56:17 ago (+0/-0)

the OT is a falsehood

don't read it like it's real, read it like a bunch of kikes made up a book to give them claim to the title "The nation of Israel"

[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 15:19:57 ago (+0/-0)

Not entirely too sure about this one, the claim of kikes being chosen was not made until the 1800s, and there were two distinct Bible before that time. Neither of them made any mentions of jews being God's chosen people

[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 13:31:21 ago (+0/-0)

It's like the government and taxes. Better get it right or else.

[ - ] Master_Foo -1 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 14:50:14 ago (+1/-2)

Christians don't really care about what they believe.
They are NPCs.

The point of Christianity is to remove all critical thinking skills from the host, so that he can use any excuse available to him to.
1. Protect Jews
2. Protect Jews
3. Protect Jews
4. Protect Jews
5. Protect Jews

See: @Love240

[ - ] AryanPrime 2 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 14:57:38 ago (+2/-0)

^^^See how the actual kike tries to gaslight people away from any discussion about Christianity and it's true doctrines, which include waging genocidal warfare on the kikes

You would think supposed "kike haters" like the kike larper above me, would like Christianity proper then? if it calls for the destruction of kikes

So why does it hate it so? oh yea, it's a kike

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.6 yearsOct 3, 2023 15:45:16 ago (+0/-0)

Christianity and it's true doctrines

Who cares what Rabbi Jebus and Saul the Pharisee think?