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how Calvinism destroyed an entire society

submitted by heytheremyfriends to Rants 1.6 yearsSep 28, 2023 13:25:06 ago (+1/-0)     (Rants)

Calvinism is akin to mind poison. It inverts the principals of free will to guided will, making the assumption you can never be in control of anything. Because everything is under the control of God, salvation is granted to you. That job promotion? Wasn't you, or hard work, it was God. That cultural decline leading to all out collapse? God did it. It removes any sense of self and puts it back onto God. If you did something wrong, it was good because it's in God's plan. And since God's plan is perfect, you can go die in a hole for not understanding it. If you have no free will, everything is pre determined, and everything you do, have done, or ever will do has already been planned out for you.

This line of thinking is what has lead to the catastrophic universalism and appeal to apathy in the current church and believers. Let your society go to complete shit, because that's what God wants. Let migrants kill and murder whoever they want, and let your politicians rob you blind because trust the plan. It tricks the believer into thinking apathy and complete destruction of society is a good thing, whilst upholding any kind of moral or just law is verboten.

It leads to absolutely awful and one sided arguments that should never be. Get raped and are now pregnant? Forgive your rapist, and keep the baby. I've had believers openly tell me to force myself back into shitty situations because i was too harsh on the other person. I even had one go out of their way to NOT turn someone in who was embezzling tons of cash and committing fraud. Imagine someone telling you to go out of your way to accomodate criminals. This was at around the same time I started doing a much deeper study into the scriptures.

And this is a big problem, because this line of thinking is what turns a lot of people away from modern day Christianity. It's not the faith in God that people don't like, it's the asinine idea that the only way to please God is to throw away your country, throw out your heritage, throw out your ideals, and replace it with feel good virtue signalling nonsense. Rapists and child molesters belong in a wood chipper. They do not belong in a civilized society.

The thing is most people I know who are racially aware are very believing in God. They believe in the spiritual realm, and the concept of heaven, hell, evil, and good. Heck I would say those people have a much better understanding of who God is, than most sunday school christians.

A lot of times I feel like im hiding my power level at church meetings. I know the questions, and people are very happy by the answers I give. BUT if i deviate from the standard boilerplate questions, good luck getting any meaningful answers back.


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[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 28, 2023 14:13:38 ago (+0/-0)

so far your rant hasnt provided scriptural proof that calvinism is wrong. its just a pointless rant. btw, yes God is fully in control of all things including satan and his minions.

read the scriptures and you will see the truth.

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


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Bible Verses About Calvinism
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John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw >him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


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Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be >conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn >among many brethren.


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Ephesians 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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Romans 9:16
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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Acts 7:51
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
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Ephesians 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
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Romans 10:5-13
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Romans 9:13-14
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
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Romans 8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
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Ephesians 1:11
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
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Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
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Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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John 1:13
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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John 12:32
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
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Deuteronomy 30:11-20
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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Romans 10:17
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Ephesians 2:1
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
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Romans 9:17
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
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Romans 5:8
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Ephesians 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
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2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Matthew 18:3
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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[ - ] heytheremyfriends [op] 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 28, 2023 14:43:40 ago (+0/-0)

My problem is as such, most factions of the church are anti calvinist and have a very distorted view of what it is, and how it works. It feels like every christian group is too busy fighting each other

[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 28, 2023 20:39:01 ago (+0/-0)

humanity is too depraved by sin to even acknowledge God that's why jesuschrist happened and yes it even takes an act of God to "make you" even believe in the gospel.

no wonder salvation is a free gift from God, nobody cant earn it because we all are equally depraved and it takes the mercies of God to reach us and save us from ourselves