Degeneracy isn't harmful to a society until it's state endorsed and participation is mandated.
The issue is compelling things and restricting things, freedom lies in between, allowing people to experiment and find what is best without the government getting involved, that initially involves a stage where people become examples for those who follow.
The problem with libertarianism is that most cant get over that initial stage to see the long game, they point to the people getting hurt or the crisis time that sets in after the rails are cut away, and they declare that this is all that there is to judge the ideas by.
They'd rather things that tickle them in their bias, stuff we tried over and over that starts out well and ends horribly, because in their heads it's better than a system that expect to produce a disaster up front for the advantage of only improving with time.
Conservatives and liberals, they eat the marshmellow.
Degeneracy isn't harmful to a society until it's state endorsed and participation is mandated.
Almost stopped reading right there. Plenty of degenerates have spread perversion to the point that they're teaching shit in school and getting very little real push back. Letting mold grow in your home until the point that it's visible means that there's enough mold in the walls that you might have to tear the whole house down and start over.
There is nothing new under the sun. People already know what works for a civilization, and what it takes to bring one down from the inside. Tolerance is not a virtue.
Plenty of degenerates have spread perversion to the point that they're teaching shit in school and getting very little real push back.
Public schooling is the real menace here, it's been terrible since the 60s, but has gotten progressively worse over time.
Letting mold grow in your home until the point that it's visible means that there's enough mold in the walls that you might have to tear the whole house down and start over.
A better analogy is that there are multiple homes with different people living in them, some cultivate mold, others remove it. This is how it should be.
What you suggest is having someone go from house to house removing what they judge to be mold, and then acting surprised when the people you gave this power to start destroying houses or hauling out people's valuables.
But even worse is that you create apologists for real mold infestations because nobody has any example of what happens when mold is allowed to grow untreated.
There is nothing new under the sun.
I hate this quote, it is so evidently false in both a literal and figurative interpretation.
People already know what works for a civilization, and what it takes to bring one down from the inside.
Not completely, but yeah, unfortunately you just watch an "ex"-KGB agent tell you what subversion is and retardedly decide to take him at his word, bet you also trust in the protocals without any doubt, either of which could be fake leaks designed to mislead you.
But aside from that, you divide the world into two options, and reject the notion of other paths to take, I'm not telling you to put degeneracy in everyone's lives, nor am I agreeing with you that degeneracy should be cracked down on, I decide to allow people the freedom to choose, be it to destroy themselves or to make the better decision for themselves.
I want people to make bad decisions and suffer for them, but this is not that world, in this world people are forced into these decisions, so in that we have a shard enemy, however you want to bring about an ultimately destructive overcorrection that was what had created this situation to begin with. Compelling anything doesn't work, Prohibition doesn't work either, best option is to leave people the freedom to choose for themselves. It's eugenic and culturally purifying, we need to allow the bad so as to provide an example or people will fail to recognize what bad is.
Tolerance is not a virtue.
OK, on this I agree, but i feel as though you and I have a slightly different idea of what tolerance is with regard to this situation.
I feel as tough you are covering for a power game, you have a favorite set of ideas just as they do, and you worry that any other ideas but yours will become dominant in your society, just as they do. Both you and they want to prohibit what your ideology hates and compel what your ideology likes, both ideologies are simplistic with good vs evil narratives that produce a feeling of absolute certainty and moral righteousness in your cause. Both of you have something you want to see destroyed on the other side, blaming it for all the problems in the world.
I dislike your micromanaging but not anymore than theirs, I've lived through it and I can tell you that it does not have the effect you imagine it would.
It's what will keep the pendulum swinging, and eventually will bring back trannies into public schools as a late-term consequence of your cultural engineering.
Given the freedom to do so, people will eventually make the right choices, they just need others to show them the way, be it by swimming or sinking.
Public schooling is the real menace here, it's been terrible since the 60s, but has gotten progressively worse over time.
Side stepping the point. Degenerates, if allowed, go after kids. When children grow up without innocence, they cannot cherish or see the value in it. Abuse spreads like a virus.
A better analogy is that there are multiple homes with different people living in them, some cultivate mold, others remove it. This is how it should be.
If I can see the mold in my neighbors house from my house, they have fucked up. Why should I have to look at their mold?
I hate this quote, it is so evidently false in both a literal and figurative interpretation.
Then take it in context. Every generation that falls for new-to-them levels of degeneracy thinks that they're shaking off the chains of parental oppression by giving up on family, doing drugs, and fucking outdoors. It's been done, recorded history shows it, then War has to come in and clean it up. If it weren't for the degeneracy, we'd have more recorded history.
Not completely, but yeah, unfortunately you just watch an "ex"-KGB agent tell you what subversion is and retardedly decide to take him at his word, bet you also trust in the protocals without any doubt, either of which could be fake leaks designed to mislead you.
Satanist's actions are proof, I don't need faith. It's why they call the Protocol's a "forgery" instead of a lie. "Forgery" is pilpul for, "it's not the original document", not, "we're not really doing those things." Hiding and lying in plain sight.
Both you and they want to prohibit what your ideology hates and compel what your ideology likes, both ideologies are simplistic with good vs evil narratives that produce a feeling of absolute certainty and moral righteousness in your cause. Both of you have something you want to see destroyed on the other side, blaming it for all the problems in the world.
There's a lot to be said here, define good and evil.
Given the freedom to do so, people will eventually make the right choices, they just need others to show them the way, be it by swimming or sinking.
If they're sinking they aren't making the right choice. What happens when there is no one left to show them the way? Many choices cannot be unmade, like cutting your tits and genitals off, or having your butt hole un-raped.
Side stepping the point. Degenerates, if allowed, go after kids. When children grow up without innocence, they cannot cherish or see the value in it. Abuse spreads like a virus.
I'm surrounded by the opposite problem, adults in middle age, still as idealistic as children, still as naïve and because of that they are the ones dragging the world into the abyss, all on the back of movie-inspired moralizing, innocence must die at some point. But then again, maybe there's a proper time for it to end, manchildren are an issue no doubt, but as someone who lost their innocence early getting jaded at a young age might not have been the best thing either.
If I can see the mold in my neighbors house from my house, they have fucked up. Why should I have to look at their mold?
You can move away, join a neighborhood that doesn't allow mold, or if you live in on, report it to their authorities to enforce the rules against mold growing, perhaps evict the neighbors from your community, and kick them into one that permits mold growing.
They have indeed fucked up and soon the disparate consequences faced by those who remove mold and those who grow it will be seen, this more than anything will generate the tradition against mold growing and that lesson would stick.
Then take it in context. Every generation that falls for new-to-them levels of degeneracy thinks that they're shaking off the chains of parental oppression by giving up on family, doing drugs, and fucking outdoors. It's been done, recorded history shows it, then War has to come in and clean it up. If it weren't for the degeneracy, we'd have more recorded history.
Take another look at history, what these bad behaviors and what effects they had, I feel as you are operating on a vague understanding of history rather than as having had studied it.
Satanist's actions are proof, I don't need faith. It's why they call the Protocol's a "forgery" instead of a lie. "Forgery" is pilpul for, "it's not the original document", not, "we're not really doing those things." Hiding and lying in plain sight.
I'm a bit more skeptical than you are, by which I mean paranoid, looking for other possibilities and keeping them in mind. Everything is a sliding scale of certainty and I know that the people who rule over us are trying to mess with us, and have been messing with us since before the day they took power. They work in half-truths far more often than they work in lies or secrets.
There's a lot to be said here, define good and evil.
Good is what makes you feel good, right? and evil is what makes you feel bad? Egoism says to be concerned only with your own experiences, whereas utilitarianism tells you to be concerned for the other experiences than just your own. The Christian Morality could be either of these two, for as the greatest being, God can bestow either the greatest pleasures for obedience or the greatest pains for disobedience, so it is important for you to obey him and to have others serve him as well.
If they're sinking they aren't making the right choice. What happens when there is no one left to show them the way? Many choices cannot be unmade, like cutting your tits and genitals off, or having your butt hole un-raped.
Those who sink teach others how to swim, some die to teach others how to survive. We are talking about a tiny minority of people here, the genderbenders, they make up a small population and even with a the influence of authority figures trying to push them into it, the population is still vanishingly tiny, what increase there was is large only proportional to what the initial numbers were, furthermore the examples of how terrible a fate it is to be a tranny has an opposing effect on this growth, just on generation should be sufficient to discourage kids from following this path in any significant number (why do you think the establishment is so desperate?).
Keep in mind that they will likely end up dying without having had any children left behind, they are self terminating, and unable to recruit with enough effectiveness to pose a significant existential threat.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist -1 points 1.6 yearsSep 19, 2023 21:14:37 ago (+0/-1)
The issue is compelling things and restricting things, freedom lies in between, allowing people to experiment and find what is best without the government getting involved, that initially involves a stage where people become examples for those who follow.
The problem with libertarianism is that most cant get over that initial stage to see the long game, they point to the people getting hurt or the crisis time that sets in after the rails are cut away, and they declare that this is all that there is to judge the ideas by.
They'd rather things that tickle them in their bias, stuff we tried over and over that starts out well and ends horribly, because in their heads it's better than a system that expect to produce a disaster up front for the advantage of only improving with time.
Conservatives and liberals, they eat the marshmellow.
[ + ] Clubberlang
[ - ] Clubberlang [op] 1 point 1.6 yearsSep 19, 2023 22:52:20 ago (+1/-0)
Allowing evil within a society to exist will ultimately lead that society to become evil itself.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 20, 2023 02:07:02 ago (+0/-0)*
Said the one arguing for the further disenfranchisement of his people.
Said the one pretending that feminist intersectionality is not the root of the tree which bears this wicked fruit.
[ + ] allAheadFull
[ - ] allAheadFull 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 19, 2023 22:15:39 ago (+0/-0)
Almost stopped reading right there. Plenty of degenerates have spread perversion to the point that they're teaching shit in school and getting very little real push back. Letting mold grow in your home until the point that it's visible means that there's enough mold in the walls that you might have to tear the whole house down and start over.
There is nothing new under the sun. People already know what works for a civilization, and what it takes to bring one down from the inside. Tolerance is not a virtue.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 20, 2023 02:04:47 ago (+0/-0)
Public schooling is the real menace here, it's been terrible since the 60s, but has gotten progressively worse over time.
A better analogy is that there are multiple homes with different people living in them, some cultivate mold, others remove it. This is how it should be.
What you suggest is having someone go from house to house removing what they judge to be mold, and then acting surprised when the people you gave this power to start destroying houses or hauling out people's valuables.
But even worse is that you create apologists for real mold infestations because nobody has any example of what happens when mold is allowed to grow untreated.
I hate this quote, it is so evidently false in both a literal and figurative interpretation.
Not completely, but yeah, unfortunately you just watch an "ex"-KGB agent tell you what subversion is and retardedly decide to take him at his word, bet you also trust in the protocals without any doubt, either of which could be fake leaks designed to mislead you.
But aside from that, you divide the world into two options, and reject the notion of other paths to take, I'm not telling you to put degeneracy in everyone's lives, nor am I agreeing with you that degeneracy should be cracked down on, I decide to allow people the freedom to choose, be it to destroy themselves or to make the better decision for themselves.
I want people to make bad decisions and suffer for them, but this is not that world, in this world people are forced into these decisions, so in that we have a shard enemy, however you want to bring about an ultimately destructive overcorrection that was what had created this situation to begin with. Compelling anything doesn't work, Prohibition doesn't work either, best option is to leave people the freedom to choose for themselves. It's eugenic and culturally purifying, we need to allow the bad so as to provide an example or people will fail to recognize what bad is.
OK, on this I agree, but i feel as though you and I have a slightly different idea of what tolerance is with regard to this situation.
I feel as tough you are covering for a power game, you have a favorite set of ideas just as they do, and you worry that any other ideas but yours will become dominant in your society, just as they do. Both you and they want to prohibit what your ideology hates and compel what your ideology likes, both ideologies are simplistic with good vs evil narratives that produce a feeling of absolute certainty and moral righteousness in your cause. Both of you have something you want to see destroyed on the other side, blaming it for all the problems in the world.
I dislike your micromanaging but not anymore than theirs, I've lived through it and I can tell you that it does not have the effect you imagine it would.
It's what will keep the pendulum swinging, and eventually will bring back trannies into public schools as a late-term consequence of your cultural engineering.
Given the freedom to do so, people will eventually make the right choices, they just need others to show them the way, be it by swimming or sinking.
[ + ] allAheadFull
[ - ] allAheadFull 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 20, 2023 03:21:02 ago (+0/-0)
Side stepping the point. Degenerates, if allowed, go after kids. When children grow up without innocence, they cannot cherish or see the value in it. Abuse spreads like a virus.
If I can see the mold in my neighbors house from my house, they have fucked up. Why should I have to look at their mold?
Then take it in context. Every generation that falls for new-to-them levels of degeneracy thinks that they're shaking off the chains of parental oppression by giving up on family, doing drugs, and fucking outdoors. It's been done, recorded history shows it, then War has to come in and clean it up. If it weren't for the degeneracy, we'd have more recorded history.
Satanist's actions are proof, I don't need faith. It's why they call the Protocol's a "forgery" instead of a lie. "Forgery" is pilpul for, "it's not the original document", not, "we're not really doing those things." Hiding and lying in plain sight.
There's a lot to be said here, define good and evil.
If they're sinking they aren't making the right choice. What happens when there is no one left to show them the way? Many choices cannot be unmade, like cutting your tits and genitals off, or having your butt hole un-raped.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist 0 points 1.6 yearsSep 20, 2023 18:18:02 ago (+0/-0)
I'm surrounded by the opposite problem, adults in middle age, still as idealistic as children, still as naïve and because of that they are the ones dragging the world into the abyss, all on the back of movie-inspired moralizing, innocence must die at some point.
But then again, maybe there's a proper time for it to end, manchildren are an issue no doubt, but as someone who lost their innocence early getting jaded at a young age might not have been the best thing either.
You can move away, join a neighborhood that doesn't allow mold, or if you live in on, report it to their authorities to enforce the rules against mold growing, perhaps evict the neighbors from your community, and kick them into one that permits mold growing.
They have indeed fucked up and soon the disparate consequences faced by those who remove mold and those who grow it will be seen, this more than anything will generate the tradition against mold growing and that lesson would stick.
Take another look at history, what these bad behaviors and what effects they had, I feel as you are operating on a vague understanding of history rather than as having had studied it.
I'm a bit more skeptical than you are, by which I mean paranoid, looking for other possibilities and keeping them in mind. Everything is a sliding scale of certainty and I know that the people who rule over us are trying to mess with us, and have been messing with us since before the day they took power. They work in half-truths far more often than they work in lies or secrets.
Good is what makes you feel good, right? and evil is what makes you feel bad?
Egoism says to be concerned only with your own experiences, whereas utilitarianism tells you to be concerned for the other experiences than just your own.
The Christian Morality could be either of these two, for as the greatest being, God can bestow either the greatest pleasures for obedience or the greatest pains for disobedience, so it is important for you to obey him and to have others serve him as well.
Those who sink teach others how to swim, some die to teach others how to survive. We are talking about a tiny minority of people here, the genderbenders, they make up a small population and even with a the influence of authority figures trying to push them into it, the population is still vanishingly tiny, what increase there was is large only proportional to what the initial numbers were, furthermore the examples of how terrible a fate it is to be a tranny has an opposing effect on this growth, just on generation should be sufficient to discourage kids from following this path in any significant number (why do you think the establishment is so desperate?).
Keep in mind that they will likely end up dying without having had any children left behind, they are self terminating, and unable to recruit with enough effectiveness to pose a significant existential threat.