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submitted by HeyJames to NutziHiveKickers 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 15:58:02 ago (+8/-3)     (NutziHiveKickers)

Did you know that when adjusting an engine with mechanical lifters, truly the only way to accurately go about it is with a dial indicator?

Yes, an indicator placed at the right position on the lever can accurately measure the movement of the rocker arm better than a feeler gauge (which is largely subjective). I have seen crusty old guys who can just tap the rocker back and forth and adjust it based on the noise it makes. I can tell if it is way off but am not able to provide a precise measurement. I am jealous of that skill honestly.

One thing I do a little different than many people is intentionally give more clearance than necessary on the exhaust valve. This is after observing the exhaust clearance tolerance becoming way too tight in between services on certain machines, which is of course an indicator of valve seat recession.

My profesional opinion on this is that the increased back pressure from modern turbocharged emissions equipped engines will cause a little more exhaust valve seat wear than normal. I don't know if manufacturers keep this in mind when they design valve seats or not but I imagine they must as it would be stupid not to. Actually since they sell reman components, I doubt they give a shit. Caterpillar themselves sell engines at near breakeven because they know they'll always make a killing in parts. And I always do recommend getting OEM cat parts or actually IPD is pretty decent as well.

I'm sure @Rotteuxx as a metal worker has some useful info to add as far as valve seat materials and heat wear etc.


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[ - ] killallkikes 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:10:19 ago (+0/-0)

scavenging my friend

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:02:47 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] HeyJames [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:10:36 ago (+0/-0)

Oh I don't do dial lash settings on every engine. Just the ones that the OEM requires it.

Material wise for valve seats depends on fuel type. Gas and diesel engines will have different materials. Again I'm not a machinist so I can't really elaborate on that. Not sure that you're correct about adjusting cold. I have always adjusted hot and that seems to be the rule of thumb.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:20:59 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] HeyJames [op] -1 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:23:46 ago (+0/-1)

Yeah you're definitely wrong about that. You're probably used to setting zero clearance on automotive hydraulic lifter engines or something

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:28:36 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] HeyJames [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:29:34 ago (+0/-0)

I have never heard anyone say it's better to adjust mechanical lifter engines cold lol

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:28:02 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] HeyJames [op] 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:31:26 ago (+0/-0)

Why are you so mad that dial indicators are more accurate

[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 16:28:52 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] HeyJames [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 16:51:15 ago (+1/-0)

He's not a machinist? I thought you were a machinist @rotteuxx

[ - ] OoklaTheMok 1 point 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:02:27 ago (+1/-0)

I'm a machinist in a fabrication shop. Every fab shop that I have worked at have CNCs to cut the sheet metal. Whether it be a CNC punch press, A 3-axis laser CNC or a water jet CNC. I personally run a 5-axis laser CNC that I can either cut sheet metal with or weld steel together without adding additional material. So, he may run a CNC for his fab shop, it just depends on how large his shop is. Just my 2 cents.

[ - ] HeyJames [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 17:16:27 ago (+1/-0)

Ahh okay. I've toured an engine shop before. I have installed plenty of engines but haven't worked in a specialty engine machine shop. The process of re-seating a cylinder head is pretty cool actually

[ - ] Thyhorrorcosmic103 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 12, 2023 04:11:08 ago (+0/-0)

You run a CNC laser and you call yourself a machinist? Boy, they sure have lowered that bar.

[ - ] OoklaTheMok 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 12, 2023 16:13:31 ago (+0/-0)*

It's not the only type of CNC I've ran, just the latest. What's wrong with a 5 axis laser? They send me the blueprints and the steel, I make a fixture and program the machine from the slave and make said part. I've been a machinist for 25 years running cambores to lathes. Where's the beef?

[ - ] Thyhorrorcosmic103 0 points 1.8 yearsSep 12, 2023 19:15:04 ago (+0/-0)

You’re pretty sensitive, maybe you are a machinist.

What is 2 times the square root of the deviation of X squared plus the deviation of Y squared?

[ - ] FacelessOne 5 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 16:02:15 ago (+6/-1)

Dial gay

[ - ] HeyJames [op] 6 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 16:03:25 ago (+7/-1)

Lol dial is gay. Dial indicators in reality are much more useful than @dial_indicator

[ - ] HeyJames [op] 2 points 1.8 yearsSep 11, 2023 16:01:35 ago (+2/-0)

Anything you want to add to this is more than welcome @PostWallHelena

Let's talk about mechanical engine valve adjustment for a bit