[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 08:10:27 ago (+1/-0)
Shaun is presenting that water baptism is the same as the OT washing with water (mikveh.) To prepare to come before God: 1st step is having a heart prepared by repentance, 2nd step is having a body prepared by washing with water. e.g. Genesis 35 KJV:
2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
and: 2 Chronicles 30 KJV:
13 And there assembled at Jerusalem much people to keep the feast of unleavened bread in the second month, a very great congregation. 14 And they arose and took away the altars that were in Jerusalem, and all the altars for incense took they away, and cast them into the brook Kidron. 15 Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the LORD. 16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites. 17 For there were many in the congregation that were not sanctified: therefore the Levites had the charge of the killing of the passovers for every one that was not clean, to sanctify them unto the LORD. 18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one 19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary. 20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.
and he also references Leviticus chapters 12 to 15 detailing the external cleansings of the Israelites to avoid the breaking out of plague.
And John the Baptist as the son of a priest would have been serving in the temple but the Pharisees and Sadducees had changed the observances to leave out the mikveh, such that the people had to go out into the wilderness to access this observance.]
N.B. Comments: 2 Kings 5 KJV: 10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
Comments: @One_Amlak 18 hours ago (edited) “YAH said to Moses, “Go to the people, and sanctify (Baptize) them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, and be ready for the 3rd day; for on the 3rd day YAH will come down in the sight of all the people on Mount Sinai. : Moses went down from the mountain to the people, and sanctified (Baptized) the people; and they washed their clothes. He said to the people, “Be ready by the 3rd day. Don’t have sexual relations with a woman.”” Exodus 19:10-11, 14-15
I would also reference the flood and the parting of the Red Sea as OT archetypes baptism.
a) BABTIZE (Greek baptizein) - "immerse; dip into water"
b) being implies vessel (life) within water (inception towards death), hence being ascending (inception); steering (life); immersing (death).
c) others suggest baptism (immersion) as the inversion of ascension, hence ritualistic drowning.
d) others suggest PRACTICE (to follow a course of action) as the inversion of needing to resist (life) course of action (inception towards death) by reacting.
e) new, néwos, now...others suggest nihilism (out of nothing aka new) as the inversion of being within the momentum aka perceivable moment-um aka "now" of everything moving.
f) one can only exist now (life)...not before (inception) or after (death).
Suggested nihilism (0) progressivism (for) and collectivism (5) tempts one to ignore being within everything, needing to resist being moved forwards, and express apartheid within wholeness.
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper 2 points 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 06:31:44 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 08:10:27 ago (+1/-0)
To prepare to come before God:
1st step is having a heart prepared by repentance,
2nd step is having a body prepared by washing with water.
e.g. Genesis 35 KJV:
2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:
3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
and: 2 Chronicles 30 KJV:
13 And there assembled at Jerusalem much people to keep the feast of unleavened bread in the second month, a very great congregation.
14 And they arose and took away the altars that were in Jerusalem, and all the altars for incense took they away, and cast them into the brook Kidron.
15 Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the LORD.
16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
17 For there were many in the congregation that were not sanctified: therefore the Levites had the charge of the killing of the passovers for every one that was not clean, to sanctify them unto the LORD.
18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one
19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.
20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.
and he also references Leviticus chapters 12 to 15 detailing the external cleansings of the Israelites to avoid the breaking out of plague.
And John the Baptist as the son of a priest would have been serving in the temple but the Pharisees and Sadducees had changed the observances to leave out the mikveh, such that the people had to go out into the wilderness to access this observance.]
N.B.
Comments: 2 Kings 5 KJV: 10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.
Comments: @One_Amlak 18 hours ago (edited) “YAH said to Moses, “Go to the people, and sanctify (Baptize) them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments, and be ready for the 3rd day; for on the 3rd day YAH will come down in the sight of all the people on Mount Sinai. : Moses went down from the mountain to the people, and sanctified (Baptized) the people; and they washed their clothes. He said to the people, “Be ready by the 3rd day. Don’t have sexual relations with a woman.”” Exodus 19:10-11, 14-15
I would also reference the flood and the parting of the Red Sea as OT archetypes baptism.
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 08:38:12 ago (+0/-0)
I don't care if you do. If John the Baptist were around, I would.
[ + ] Mtsouth
[ - ] Mtsouth 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2023 09:34:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2023 09:59:34 ago (+0/-0)
Also I have had this since old voat and before. I probably would not pick it again. But I don't worry about it too much.
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[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 26, 2023 10:01:09 ago (+0/-0)
That's what I always thought, but tell that to baltists
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[ + ] bonghits4jeebus
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[ + ] ImplicationOverReason
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b) being implies vessel (life) within water (inception towards death), hence being ascending (inception); steering (life); immersing (death).
c) others suggest baptism (immersion) as the inversion of ascension, hence ritualistic drowning.
d) others suggest PRACTICE (to follow a course of action) as the inversion of needing to resist (life) course of action (inception towards death) by reacting.
e) new, néwos, now...others suggest nihilism (out of nothing aka new) as the inversion of being within the momentum aka perceivable moment-um aka "now" of everything moving.
f) one can only exist now (life)...not before (inception) or after (death).
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer [op] 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 05:56:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] ImplicationOverReason
[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 24, 2023 06:29:43 ago (+1/-2)