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Is lucifer satan?

submitted by we_kill_creativity to AskGoats 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 09:45:08 ago (+3/-0)     (AskGoats)

I'm curious what Goats think about this.


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[ - ] mxcviel 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 25, 2023 15:55:11 ago (+0/-0)

where I am, Catholics use satan more as a job title, for one who is currently top devil, and that is changing, so lucifer is considered just one of them, like beelzebub, azazel... depends on an era, or their task. Or at least I was taught so.

[ - ] yesiknow 3 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:10:25 ago (+4/-1)

The fucking Theosophists cliche is "It's not that lucifer".

It's a made up cult to attack Christianity so the jews can take the globe into communist slavery. The instigators deliberately chose lucifer, and suck in the stupid who want so bad to be smart with that tired old game of intellectual superiority.

They'll say bad stupid Christians have it all wrong, but they know better. Their entire schtick is they know better. They even have that dimwitted blob amy jew schumer talking down to White girls like they're total morons in tampax commercials.

[ - ] FacelessOne 3 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:17:58 ago (+3/-0)

Reminds me of Sabbatean Franks. Willing to convert to whatever the dominant religion in their host nation is because doing evil is actually doing good. Mental Gymnastics to excuse their slavery to carnal lust.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 15:20:24 ago (+2/-0)

@FacelessOne...the good old (((DONMEH))) club...so many people are clueless as to just how evil the kike is.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity [op] 2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:19:11 ago (+2/-0)

The fucking Theosophists cliche is "It's not that lucifer".

Well, I think it's more nuanced than that. I believe their claim is that lucifer, rather than "falling from God's grace" as some form of punishment, was actually making a great sacrifice for humanity. The idea is that lucifer is more akin to prometheus than satan. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with them or you, just trying to facilitate an important conversation.

It's a made up cult to attack Christianity so the jews can take the globe into communist slavery.

take the globe into communist slavery.

I personally think that isn't the endgame, but rather a means to the endgame. Which is why I believe the theosphists you speak of are more or less unwitting patsies is a game larger than they comprehend.

[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 13:05:02 ago (+1/-0)

The Theosophists themselves don't actually exist. It's the Lucis Trust at the UN. They use it as a template for conversion to the New Age crap which is Luciferian. Like Woodstock in the 1960's. That was all peace an love no self defence, drugs are good propaganda. The morons who went to it were rarely interviewed because they said they didn't know any of the bands and couldn't hear the music. They didn't think they more enlightened than a small town guy, that came after, from the propaganda

[ - ] we_kill_creativity [op] 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:03:03 ago (+0/-0)

The Theosophists themselves don't actually exist. It's the Lucis Trust at the UN. They use it as a template for conversion to the New Age crap which is Luciferian.

It's funny you bring up the Lucis Trust, because I'm currently reading their publication "The Externalization of the Hierarchy", and, having just finished part one, it's what prompted me to even make this post.

I'm confused by your statement though, because the book was written, supposedly, by Alice A. Bailey, who claimed as her inspiration and background the very same Theosophists you say don't actually exist. Specifically, she mentioned Blavatsky.

They could easily just be lying about that, but the reading I've done over the years makes it pretty clear that the Theosophists predate the Lucis Trust.

[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:32:39 ago (+1/-0)

No. Those Theosophists are all dead. Blavatsky's books were not written to be read. They're mind numbingly stupid and deliberately over wordy. Baily was just as ridiculous.

Yu can't tell a karma imbecile that calls themselves a buddhist that it's theosophy they're actually following because it makes no sense to them, and they can't read those idiotic books.

Actual Buddhists don't recognize what White chicks and man bun dorks call buddhism, and their version of Karma is simply blackmailing the universe

[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:19:10 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:38:27 ago (+0/-1)

to the endgame

a) Player (inception) Game (life) End (death) aka motion plays each game towards end.

c) being moved towards death implies ones need to resist outcome... others suggest progressivism (towards outcome) as the inversion thereof.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity [op] 2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 12:37:37 ago (+2/-0)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'm just genuinely curious: are you a human being?

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 12:52:28 ago (+0/-2)

a) if I write "nigger; kike; cunt; faggot", then nobody would ask me if I'm a bot, yet whenever I challenge what others ignore; then my humanity is called to question.

b) how could I describe perceivable sound to those who ignore it for suggested words; without being perceived as miscommunication?

c) HU'MAN, adjective (Latin humanus; Heb. form, species) + AN'IMAL, noun (Latin anima, air, breath, soul) implies being form (life) animated within flow (inception towards death)...others suggest the words "human" and "animal" to distract one from being animated (animal) form (human).

Therefore...everything perceivable represents both human (form) and animal (flow).

[ - ] we_kill_creativity [op] 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 13:46:34 ago (+1/-0)

So are you a living human or not?

[ - ] soupnazi 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 13:49:13 ago (+1/-0)

You are trying to describe perceivable sound to us? Bro, you are hearing things.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:08:55 ago (+0/-1)

SOUND, adjective (Latin sanus) - "entire; unbroken; whole"... https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/sound

Others trick one with descriptions to ignore being within it, hence temporary growth (life) within ongoing loss (inception towards death) representing a sound-wave with the frequency of choice to adapt (resonance) or ignore (dissonance).

[ - ] deleted 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:21:20 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:40:56 ago (+1/-3)

But christianity is also jewish communism. Like D vs R, they lures you into "my golem is better than your golem" thinking. Reject all jewish control schemes.

[ - ] yesiknow 3 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 12:59:19 ago (+3/-0)

And you;re probably a muslim.

I don't think i'll reject anything on your say so, especially since you don't know what Christianity is because you ignored all the New Testament (The Christian part of the Bible) warnings about Jews.

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 21:32:55 ago (+0/-1)

Islam is also jewish, just a bit different form. In some ways worse, as it created a population that has all the problems of both inbreeding and outbreeding. The idea that I must follow some jewish religion when I literally just said to reject all jewish control schemes is absurd - I worship Odin and the Gods of my ancestors.

Just because the new testament contains a few minor warnings about jews - while being written by, for, and about jews - does not mean it is an anti-jewish message. Richard Spencer's mentor was a jew, and jews run many alt-right, supposedly pro-white and anti-jewish sites - unz.com is run by a jew, Daily Stormer's webmaster is a jew, Mike Enoch is a jew and runs therightstuff.biz and their whole podcasting crew, etc. The jews love to control their own opposition.

[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 23:36:32 ago (+1/-0)

We know jews are all over the e star sites controlling shit. That doesn't mean we drop the morals of the New Testament because those fucks are there. Assessing information is a matter of clear thinking. You're out of your mind if you think that Odin crap is ever going to be anything but a few.

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 23:55:21 ago (+0/-1)

anything but a few

9/11 conspiracies started as only a few. Doubting the covid narrative started as just a few. Believing the jews were destroying the west was as rare 20 years ago as worshiping Odin is today. Besides, if you decide your religion based on popularity, you've missed the entire point of spirituality.

The jews have lied to you about a metric fuckton of shit from covid and 9/11 to the holocaust to slavery. Martin Luther claimed the jews lied to him when he went to them for help translating the bible into German, but he didn't realize it until after his translation was published. If we are in a spiritual war against the jews, of course they would lie to you about religion - they've been lying to us about religion for at least 500 years since Luther. Do you really think that's as far back as it goes? Of course not - they didn't convert people away from Paganism by having a better religion, they did it through coercion, by killing and torturing Pagans who refused to convert. Despite that they still had to Paganize christianity - easter is named for Ostara/Ishtar, the spring fertility goddess, and christmas traditions mostly come from Yule and Saturnalia. More people celebrate the Pagan holidays that judeo-christians stole than actually read their jew books, which is why the jews had to steal them and couldn't destroy them.

Even the morality that supposedly comes from the new testament is no better than the morality of Pagan philosophers like Plato, and contains plenty of commie cuckery. The kike king said to give up your earthly possessions and Acts describes early christian communities as socialist compounds where everyone shared everything equally and universally. What you think of as "christian morality" is more likely Germanic/Nordic Pagan morality - monogamous marriage, honor and fidelity to your people, that sort of thing. The christian bible has incestuous polygamy which the jew god calls good in Genesis, while your savior the kike king never married or had kids and wasn't even conceived naturally. Meanwhile you're taught to act out cannibalistic rituals every sunday where you eat the flesh and drink the blood of your kike king. What the fuck do you even worship, and why is it worth preserving when it's nothing but jewy bullshit?

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 14:22:43 ago (+1/-2)

christianity is also jewish communism

Abrahamism (father of multitude) aka tikkun olam (healing the world by bringing together) aka e pluribus unum (out of many; one) aka collectivism aka community-ism (communism) aka society-ism (socialism) aka united states; united nations; european union; uniformity; university; unicode; universal basic income aka mass migration; miscegenation; melting pot aka "There comes a time when we heed a certain call...When the world must come together as one" etc.

Nature sets itself apart (from whole into each partial), while those within tempt each other back together. Being alive implies being moved from inception "towards" death, so when others suggest "towards getting" (together), then they invert being growth (life) within loss (inception towards death).

Living within the process of dying implies apartheid within wholeness. Each so called jew represents "diaspora" aka diametric-sporadic aka center of surrounding. In other words...a jew tempts its surrounding together; which in return allows a jew to remain apart. Same shit with being parasite within host; ghetto within commonwealth; city-center within suburbs; high-rise within down-town or chosen ones within ones who ignore choice etc.

[ - ] texasblood 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 21:10:43 ago (+2/-1)

STFU KIKE.
You chirp just to hear yourself.
The Bible kicks science ass and you jew fucks keep peddling your bullshit religion.

[ - ] texasblood 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 09:55:10 ago (+2/-1)*

Lucifer isnt a proper name in the Bible.
Some religons teach his name was Lucifer in heaven and then changed to satan after the fall from Gods grace.

[ - ] we_kill_creativity [op] 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:08:06 ago (+1/-0)

Some religons teach his name was Lucifer in heaven and then changed to satan after the fall from Gods grace.

So that would indicate lucifer is satan?

[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 21:08:19 ago (+1/-1)

If you got Jesus in house it doesnt matter what the name is.
Defeated at the cross isnt a sequel.
He is DONE on that day.

[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:16:12 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:38:31 ago (+2/-1)

If the control scheme was created by jews, what is the goal of their control?

Perhaps we need a non-jewish control scheme for the masses.

[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:54:43 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 21:34:02 ago (+1/-0)

I'd have everyone take a genetic test, and anyone who is 50% or more jewish would be executed. Anyone 10%-49% jewish would be kept under observation for jewish behaviors and possibly executed if they exhibit jewish behavior.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:31:27 ago (+0/-2)

I think that religion is just a form of control.

a) RELGION (Latin religio; to bind anew), hence choice (consent) binding itself to choice (suggested) when ignoring balance (perceivable). The result of ignoring balance (need/want) implies imbalance (want vs not want) aka reasoning.

b) temporary form (life) is controlled within ongoing flow (inception towards death).

conform to keep going

Ongoing (inception towards death) doesn't keep temporary (life)...it sets "free" will of choice to establish resistance (growth) within temptation (loss).

[ - ] deleted -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:40:40 ago (+1/-2)

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[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:06:06 ago (+0/-2)

the definition you are given will paint what I said in a way that suggests non conformity.

a) nature offers perceivable sound; those within tempt each other to ignore that for suggested words.

b) those adapting to sound represent PHONETICIANS (from phonics; sound); those consenting to word based "definitions" represent DEAF-PHONETICIANS.

Why can't someone just exist, and not have the demand to conform?

a) others suggest CONFORM (togetherness) to distract one from being apart from other ones within wholeness.

b) natural order (inception towards death) demands adaptation from those living within. How does growth adapt to loss? It needs to resist; while being tempted to want to ignore resisting.

The path of least resistance within motion implies going with the flow instead of resisting as form. Others suggest demands to tempt one to conform by consent.

I want...

Wanting suggested tempts one into a conflict of reason (want vs not want) against others. Both sides tempt one to ignore being choice in-between need (perceivable) and want (suggested) balance.

In short...want (suggested fiction) tempts one to ignore need (perceivable reality).

I dont..

"don't" aka doing nothing implies ones consent to suggested nihilism (nothingness), while ignoring "everything" perceivable. One cannot do nothing; while being (life) done within everything (inception towards death). One can ignore that tho...

religious fortitude

Religion (being bind anew) implies submission to others; hence spending ones resistance on others, who wield it as fortitude (strength; force). Those bind by others represent order followers, hence following the suggested orders as directed by others; while ignoring to resist natural order.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:10:57 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:27:59 ago (+0/-1)

You going to give part of yourself as to definitions and others words?

a) whole gives towards partial; partial represents recipient of given whole. Other partials tempt one to take suggested given by others, hence establishing a parasitic substitute.

b) others suggest "insane person" to tempt one to ignore being "in sanus" (within sound) and "per sonos" (by sound).

c) SOUND, adjective (Latin sanus) - "entire; unbroken" aka whole (perceivable) for each broken partial (perception) within.

It's less about giving parts of self to others; as about giving up participation within whole. The few trick the many to ignore reality (perceivable sound) for fiction (suggested words). Ones consent to suggested gives others the power of ones consent to define (idolatry); redefine (revisionism) and contradict (talmudic reasoning) the suggested at will. Words over sound represents spell-craft. Your grammar represents their grimoire (incantation), and your ABC (Latin abecedary) represents their ABraCaDabra etc.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:39:29 ago (+1/-1)

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[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:50:36 ago (+0/-1)

a) OBSERVE, verb (Latin observo; ob and servo, to keep or hold)...suggested (information) tempts one to want to hold onto; perceivable (inspiration) needs to be let go.

b) everything (perceivable) is offered to everyone (perception) at any moment (momentum of motion)...one can choose to adapt to perceivable (resonance within sound) or ignore for suggested (dissonance within sound).

c) sound cannot be held onto; words tempt one to hold onto and fight others over definitions.

d) others suggest definite (affixed) as the inversion of perceivable implication (if/then), hence within motion. Affixed represents ones willing ignorance of being within motion.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason -2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 10:25:52 ago (+0/-2)

a) all represents one in ENERGY (Greek; work) - "internal/inherent power".

b) everything "was" perceivable before one can suggest what anything within "is".

c) consenting to suggested (luciferianism; satanism) tempts one into a conflict of reason (yes vs no)...whatever side one chooses keeps the conflict going, while depleting self.

d) SATAN (adversary) LUCIFER (light)...oneself represents the adverse reaction within enacting light.

[ - ] UncleDoug -4 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 11:47:49 ago (+0/-4)

They are one and the same, both fake and gay jewish story time characters, both plagiarised from other mythological sources.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 13:45:14 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] UncleDoug -1 points 1.7 yearsAug 20, 2023 15:00:30 ago (+0/-1)

The notion of Hell predates Christianity by thousands of years by Egyptian and sources of Jewish mysticism such as the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah mentions seven different divisions of Hell (including, 'Gehinnom' and 'Sheol' meaning Hades or underworld is the most common) and seven divisions of Heaven.

Those plagarists certainly do.