I disagree. I view race like I do species. It is natural for them to be in competition with one another in the darwinian game of natural selection. Humans are a part of nature, there is nothing that we do which could be considered unnatural. Let's all fight for our own demographics and see who ends up the last race standing.
In group preference is natural and normal and is practiced by every living creature on Earth except for parasites. Anybody who calls that natural and normal way of living 'racism' has an agenda that is opposed to nature
Really though without Divine knowledge of the entirety of God's plan how could one be so prideful?
It's one of the same stupid argument that atheists make. "Oh why would a 'supreme gawd' make us eat and breathe through the same hole? That just increases the likelihood of choking! It's bad design! Checkmate, Theists!"
Isaiah 45:9 - what does the clay tell the potter?
Saying something is "bad design" without knowing the context or purpose of the design is just retarded.
Ah, the old "No u" comeback. Aristotle himself would quake at the depth of argument from such a clearly-abounding intellect.
The universe exists and functions in an orderly manner. While we don't have statistical evidence of the improbability, we can use rationality, logic, and other metaphysical attributes to understand the unlikeliness of it (e.g. the Fine Structure Constant being what it is, among other things). The mere fact that metaphysical things like Mathematics exist (paraphrasing Galileo: "Math is the language of God") and work so well tells us there is something beyond the physical world in which we exist. It's not that much of a stretch from there to conceptualize a creator, either through Deism or Theism. There are a number of excellent arguments in favor of both conclusions; I won't rehash them here, but if you examine them, I think you'll have trouble refuting at least a few of them. But people much smarter than you or I (or the modern atheists) have been debating this for millennia; I recommend you look to them first.
I've never had enough faith to be an atheist; best I could do was agnosticism.
[ - ] Kozel 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 2, 2023 16:55:50 ago (+1/-0)
The universe exists and functions in an orderly manner.
[citation required]
While we don't have statistical evidence of the improbability
correct
We can use rationality, logic, and other metaphysical attributes to understand the unlikeliness of it
your guess is not a fact
The mere fact that metaphysical things like Mathematics exist and work so well tells us there is something beyond the physical world in which we exist.
It doesn't say any of that. You made that up or paraphrased ideas of another man who made it up.
It's not that much of a stretch from there to conceptualize a creator, either through Deism or Theism.
This is literally the greatest stretch you can make. And you have no basis for doing it.
There are a number of excellent arguments in favor of both conclusions
There is not one argument to support your imagination (not conclusion, not hypothesis, you mince words)
But people much smarter than you or I (or the modern atheists) have been debating this for millennia
If any of this was factual or had a shred of evidence the debate would not have lasted for a millennia. If there were any good arguments this debate would have been settled.
This isn't even a debate. You have absolutely nothing to back up your claims. I'm not making claims. I'm refuting unfounded claims of make believe. Prove what you say is true or admit that you like having imaginary friends.
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It's one of the same stupid argument that atheists make. "Oh why would a 'supreme gawd' make us eat and breathe through the same hole? That just increases the likelihood of choking! It's bad design! Checkmate, Theists!"
Isaiah 45:9 - what does the clay tell the potter?
Saying something is "bad design" without knowing the context or purpose of the design is just retarded.
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The universe exists and functions in an orderly manner. While we don't have statistical evidence of the improbability, we can use rationality, logic, and other metaphysical attributes to understand the unlikeliness of it (e.g. the Fine Structure Constant being what it is, among other things). The mere fact that metaphysical things like Mathematics exist (paraphrasing Galileo: "Math is the language of God") and work so well tells us there is something beyond the physical world in which we exist. It's not that much of a stretch from there to conceptualize a creator, either through Deism or Theism. There are a number of excellent arguments in favor of both conclusions; I won't rehash them here, but if you examine them, I think you'll have trouble refuting at least a few of them. But people much smarter than you or I (or the modern atheists) have been debating this for millennia; I recommend you look to them first.
I've never had enough faith to be an atheist; best I could do was agnosticism.
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[ - ] Kozel 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 2, 2023 16:55:50 ago (+1/-0)
[citation required]
correct
your guess is not a fact
It doesn't say any of that. You made that up or paraphrased ideas of another man who made it up.
This is literally the greatest stretch you can make. And you have no basis for doing it.
There is not one argument to support your imagination (not conclusion, not hypothesis, you mince words)
If any of this was factual or had a shred of evidence the debate would not have lasted for a millennia. If there were any good arguments this debate would have been settled.
This isn't even a debate. You have absolutely nothing to back up your claims. I'm not making claims. I'm refuting unfounded claims of make believe. Prove what you say is true or admit that you like having imaginary friends.
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[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 1 point 1.7 yearsAug 2, 2023 17:06:02 ago (+1/-0)
Cogito ergo sum holy shit.
Really... given that and the rest of your "I can't grasp it" statements...
I'll just concede bud. You win pigeon!
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