In that moment, Jesus was talking directly to His disciples - especially the ones who were still interested in following the Talmudic laws; Simon/Peter was a Sadducee, and Jesus was directing him to become a pillar against those Satanists, and by doing so, would irrevocably create a deadly hostile environment for his child rapist friends and family.
If you want out of jew worship, deprogram yourself like you did with the holocaust. Look into Josephus Flavius and how he created the Jesus story based on Titus Vespasian's conquest of Judea and destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Titus wanted a religion that would keep the jews pacified, and Josephus gave him one that would subvert and control Rome instead of Judea.
Then you can start exploring spirituality outside the jew book like the Thule and Vril societies that created the Nazi party. We need more people who are prepared to do spiritual warfare against the jews.
Look into Josephus Flavius and how he created the Jesus story based on Titus Vespasian's conquest of Judea and destruction of the temple in Jerusalem.
Too late. Look at Saul the Pharisee. His letters actually make up almost 1/3 of the New Testament, and predate the destruction of the temple. He is the one who spread (((Christiantiy))) to the gentiles.
I theorized that for a while myself. However, there is very limited evidence of Saul's actual existence. The first historian to mention anyone from the gospels or acts was Josephus Flavius, working for Titus Vespasian after the destruction of the temple. I don't want to say you're wrong but my current theory is that both Jesus and Saul were created by Josephus and the Flavians, their works spread to willing jewish subversives who were already spread throughout the Roman Empire as merchants.
However, there is very limited evidence of Saul's actual existence.
Umm, his letters? The churches he founded?
The first historian to mention anyone from the gospels or acts was Josephus Flavius, working for Titus Vespasian after the destruction of the temple.
Gospels and Acts are clearly fiction written after the fact. I'm talking about the early church, and Saul's letters to his flock are pedestrian history. Some of them have had stuff inserted, some are probably later ones forged in his name, but the early letters establishing the churches and talking about practical matters is about as historical as you're going to get with early Christianity. They are also clearly written before the temple was destroyed.
If Josephus was starting Christianity, it would have come through in his writings. Instead, what we have is a flagrant Christian insertion, the "Testimonium Flavianum".
There are no surviving copies of his original letters from prior to the destruction of the temple. The earliest historical mentions of him and his letters from other sources were from after Josephus' work in the late first century. No contemporary historians during his lifetime documented his existence. Thus, it is entirely possible that he was made up, just as Jesus likely was.
There are no surviving copies of his original letters from prior to the destruction of the temple.
Same could be said for the writings of Josephus. You just don't get originals from antiquity.
The earliest historical mentions of him and his letters from other sources were from after Josephus' work in the late first century.
Easily explained by Saul not being of note until after Christianity spreads. But if Josephus was inventing Christianity and Saul the Pharisee, why not write him, and the rest of Christianity, into his works? Instead, we have an infamous forgery, the "Testimonium Flavianum". You haven't addressed this.
You've acknowledged that many of Saul's letters and Acts are fake - why not all of them?
If the Testimonium Flavianum is fake, keep in mind that Josephus' writings are the earliest historical record that mentions literally anyone from the gospels. The next mention of anyone from the gospels in any surviving historical document would not be until after 100 AD, an entire human lifetime after Jesus supposedly lived. If it's fake, then there is less historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, not more.
You've acknowledged that many of Saul's letters and Acts are fake - why not all of them?
Because the fake ones are obvious takeoffs from the real ones, with the purpose of riding on Saul's authority, while the originals are often pedestrian and deal with practical matters, as compared to obvious fiction like the gospels or Acts. Of course it's not impossible that they are all faked, but they don't fit the pattern of fakery.
If the Testimonium Flavianum is fake, keep in mind that Josephus' writings are the earliest historical record that mentions literally anyone from the gospels. The next mention of anyone from the gospels in any surviving historical document would not be until after 100 AD, an entire human lifetime after Jesus supposedly lived. If it's fake, then there is less historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, not more.
Indeed, and that's why there's a contingent of researchers who believe Jesus is entirely a creation myth. See this Richard Carrier presentation for the argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHX8CAdcEng
But if even Jesus never existed, Christianity is real, and Saul the Pharisee is the one we have historical evidence for spreading it among the gentiles.
I'll check the video out after work. Regardless of which of us is right about shapeshifter Saul, the Jesus myth is fiction spread by jews to subvert Rome. The Flavian dynasty was very involved in the early church - members of Vespasian's family were among the first church leaders. As Chiro pointed out to me the other day, Constantine's arch contains no judaic symbolism but a lot of Roman Pagan symbolism. It's possible the Flavian dynasty believed they were paganizing Judea, but the jews subverted the church and instead judaized Rome.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2023 11:15:35 ago (+1/-0)
Regardless of which of us is right about shapeshifter Saul, the Jesus myth is fiction spread by jews to subvert Rome.
Yes, that's the main takeaway. And Saul the Pharisee works on both a historical and theological level. Christcucks really reeeee! when you talk about Saul the Pharisee and Rabbi Jebus, because they are fundamental to the New Testament.
How do you hate what you do not know? Hearing of is not knowing,dont play yourself the fool. Support your claim against MY GOD you dont believe in. Keep to the facts know I will come well suported with. This aint Disney clown shoes,I WILL LEARN YOU. You are a coward to truth going in. You live on others lies. Only 4 Billion on my team to contend with if you respond at all. BRING IT ON YOU FUCKING PUNK!
Don't believe in? Oh, no, you have it all wrong. I was raised to believe in your jew god, and at this point I do believe the jews have a real god who they have tricked billions of goyim into worshiping (not just christians, but muslims and others too). I mean, really, when you look at all the control schemes jews have created - communism, central banking, wokeism, neoconservatism, feminism, Ayn Rand - but you can't fathom the idea that the biggest social control scheme on earth is their creation as well, you should rethink your commitment to a religion that shares its holy books with jews.
I will not worship your evil jew god and I will continue to develop my relationship with the Gods of my ancestors to stand against your wicked jew god.
I have no religion I follow no religion The risen Christ is real. You can stand all you want your god has already lost. Jesus holds all the keys. God of creation is not a jew. He was long before the tribes split and the slang term jew was applied to one of the tribes. Dont be so fucking stupid you burn the ignorance card on intro
So when you say you worship Jesus, do you mean the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Or are you merely adopting the name they used when appropriating a much older, completely non-jewish spiritual phenomenon? Many non-jewish religions believed in a cycle of death and resurrection going back at least as far as Tammuz in ancient Mesopotamia. Many non-jewish religions have stories of a crucifixion, including the Nordic/Germanic myth of Odin/Wotan being crucified and stabbed with a spear as a sacrifice to himself for the sake of self improvement. Why cling to the jewish name of Jesus when you could instead use the name Wotan and not be attached to the jewish appropriation of ancient Aryan spirituality?
Jesus is real None of that long winded circle jerking has a play. You love your sin Stay there Because theres not a fuck to give for you. NOT A FUCK TO GIVE FOR YOU UNTIL YOU REPENT and Christ is your Lord
So you worship a jew. Good luck with your jew worship. Not sure how anyone can think they're jew-aware and still worship a jew from a holy book all about jews but if you let yourself get tricked by jews that's on you.
[ + ] Sheitstrom
[ - ] Sheitstrom 11 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 05:45:35 ago (+11/-0)
A priest cannot support gay pride and be ignorant of its Satanic nature.
[ + ] SilentByAssociation
[ - ] SilentByAssociation 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 06:46:06 ago (+3/-0)
...the queen of sins and the sin of queens.
[ + ] KillAllNazis
[ - ] KillAllNazis -7 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:39:31 ago (+1/-8)
Stop believing in a Magic Sky Daddy.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 5 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 13:42:55 ago (+5/-0)
This is reddit-tier.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 14:31:32 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Thisismyaccount
[ - ] Thisismyaccount 4 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:45:22 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 8 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 05:52:29 ago (+11/-3)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 4 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 06:05:19 ago (+5/-1)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -4 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 06:44:28 ago (+0/-4)
Religion is division
Divison is not Christ
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 06:55:44 ago (+4/-1)
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
You know not what you speak.
[ + ] SumerBreeze
[ - ] SumerBreeze 3 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 08:33:20 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -2 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 10:00:19 ago (+0/-2)
His return will be the same
[ + ] NuckFiggers
[ - ] NuckFiggers 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 12:46:27 ago (+2/-0)
the Bible talked about this
[ + ] NuckFiggers
[ - ] NuckFiggers 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 12:48:40 ago (+2/-0)
the Bible talked about this
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 06:42:59 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] HamsaOfDeath
[ - ] HamsaOfDeath -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:58:20 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 09:57:53 ago (+1/-1)
The true church is not a building.
Its an assembly of spirit filled people.
The body of Christ,not the building.
[ + ] Razzoriel
[ - ] Razzoriel 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 11:16:59 ago (+1/-0)
Corruptions in its varied degrees do not represent the original.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 16:32:55 ago (+1/-0)
Congratulations, you are proof that the purpose of Christianity is to protect Jews.
ProTip: You aren't really a Christian. Deep down you know Christianity conflicts with your White instincts.
You are a White-Nationalist. The Jews just never gave you that option.
Heil Odin! o/
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker -1 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:09:09 ago (+2/-3)
Then you can start exploring spirituality outside the jew book like the Thule and Vril societies that created the Nazi party. We need more people who are prepared to do spiritual warfare against the jews.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 2 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:20:19 ago (+3/-1)
Too late. Look at Saul the Pharisee. His letters actually make up almost 1/3 of the New Testament, and predate the destruction of the temple. He is the one who spread (((Christiantiy))) to the gentiles.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 20:23:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 21:17:25 ago (+0/-0)
Umm, his letters? The churches he founded?
Gospels and Acts are clearly fiction written after the fact. I'm talking about the early church, and Saul's letters to his flock are pedestrian history. Some of them have had stuff inserted, some are probably later ones forged in his name, but the early letters establishing the churches and talking about practical matters is about as historical as you're going to get with early Christianity. They are also clearly written before the temple was destroyed.
If Josephus was starting Christianity, it would have come through in his writings. Instead, what we have is a flagrant Christian insertion, the "Testimonium Flavianum".
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 21:45:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 22:20:55 ago (+0/-0)
Same could be said for the writings of Josephus. You just don't get originals from antiquity.
Easily explained by Saul not being of note until after Christianity spreads. But if Josephus was inventing Christianity and Saul the Pharisee, why not write him, and the rest of Christianity, into his works? Instead, we have an infamous forgery, the "Testimonium Flavianum". You haven't addressed this.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2023 07:06:53 ago (+0/-0)
If the Testimonium Flavianum is fake, keep in mind that Josephus' writings are the earliest historical record that mentions literally anyone from the gospels. The next mention of anyone from the gospels in any surviving historical document would not be until after 100 AD, an entire human lifetime after Jesus supposedly lived. If it's fake, then there is less historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, not more.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2023 07:30:27 ago (+0/-0)
Because the fake ones are obvious takeoffs from the real ones, with the purpose of riding on Saul's authority, while the originals are often pedestrian and deal with practical matters, as compared to obvious fiction like the gospels or Acts. Of course it's not impossible that they are all faked, but they don't fit the pattern of fakery.
Indeed, and that's why there's a contingent of researchers who believe Jesus is entirely a creation myth. See this Richard Carrier presentation for the argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHX8CAdcEng
But if even Jesus never existed, Christianity is real, and Saul the Pharisee is the one we have historical evidence for spreading it among the gentiles.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2023 11:05:32 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 27, 2023 11:15:35 ago (+1/-0)
Yes, that's the main takeaway. And Saul the Pharisee works on both a historical and theological level. Christcucks really reeeee! when you talk about Saul the Pharisee and Rabbi Jebus, because they are fundamental to the New Testament.
[ + ] fritz_maurentod
[ - ] fritz_maurentod [op] 1 point 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 07:17:16 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 09:53:07 ago (+2/-2)
Its fruitless banter from a God hater.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 20:23:33 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 4, 2023 22:02:50 ago (+0/-0)
Hearing of is not knowing,dont play yourself the fool.
Support your claim against MY GOD you dont believe in.
Keep to the facts know I will come well suported with.
This aint Disney clown shoes,I WILL LEARN YOU.
You are a coward to truth going in.
You live on others lies.
Only 4 Billion on my team to contend with if you respond at all.
BRING IT ON YOU FUCKING PUNK!
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 4, 2023 22:10:44 ago (+0/-0)
I will not worship your evil jew god and I will continue to develop my relationship with the Gods of my ancestors to stand against your wicked jew god.
Please stop worshiping jews and the jew god.
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -1 points 1.8 yearsAug 5, 2023 18:51:45 ago (+0/-1)
I follow no religion
The risen Christ is real.
You can stand all you want your god has already lost.
Jesus holds all the keys.
God of creation is not a jew.
He was long before the tribes split and the slang term jew was applied to one of the tribes.
Dont be so fucking stupid you burn the ignorance card on intro
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 5, 2023 19:02:04 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 5, 2023 22:12:40 ago (+0/-0)
None of that long winded circle jerking has a play.
You love your sin
Stay there
Because theres not a fuck to give for you.
NOT A FUCK TO GIVE FOR YOU UNTIL YOU REPENT and Christ is your Lord
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsAug 5, 2023 22:20:22 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -1 points 1.8 yearsAug 4, 2023 22:04:05 ago (+0/-1)
What the fuck wrong with you dipshit??
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1.8 yearsJul 26, 2023 20:20:40 ago (+0/-0)