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What would victory have looked like ?

MSM and hollywood=fonda=politically correct pretending a war can be fought without innocent people dying. That same mindset, now says men can be women.

The US has not fought a war for our freedom since the Revolutionary War. EACH and every conflict since then has been one of intimidation, escalation and land grabbing for a specific group.

The FF August 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Incident led the US into the Vietnam War.

Don't get too carried away with this "US Lost the VN War" stuff, the Vietnam War was as choreographed as the First and Second World Wars, the American Civil War, the activities of Napoleon Bonaparte & Oliver Cromwell and the ongoing War on Terror. Jews did 911.

History records Zionists started those conflicts to serve their own ends, Zionist atrocity perped against the Palestinian, Egyptian and Lebanese people at the height of the VN war in 1967 & 1968 went unreported while VN war news hogged the headlines.

Ho Chi Minh was a willing player in the near elimination of VC infrastructure in the Southern provinces of Annam and Cochin in the 1968 Tet Offensive, while the Northerners from Tonkin hereinafter the NVA or North Vietnamese Army, refused to deploy the forces they had at their disposal..

Who later claimed to have won the war .. only used their main combat tank and infantry units at the end against the ARVN, the Army of the Republic of Vietnam conscripts who were left holding the kitty after the Yankees had gone home.

https://i.postimg.cc/TPq2hYbx/HMAS-Sydney-in-Vung-Tau-Harbor.jpg

If the NVA had deployed their forces when the Australian battalions were being changed over, and HMAS Sydney was anchored in Vung Tau Harbor like it was up to three times per year for seven yrs, they would have sunk the ship and inflicted thousands of casualties which would have spelled the end of Australia's commitment to the war .. they never lifted a finger or fired a shot.

https://i.postimg.cc/59P0w0RN/Nui-Thai-Vai-2.jpg

The Australian base at Nui Dat was overlooked by a jungle covered hill with a number of summits and saddles called Nui Dinh, it would have been small beer to locate mortar tubes and artillery to give the Australians the full Dien Ben Phu treatment, the year I was there from November 1969 not one enemy round came over the wire!

NVA units failed to intercept Australian platoons that sallied forth from Nui Dat from 1965 until 1972, while the kill ratio of approximately 1,000 "enemy" per battalion per year meant the three infantry battalions in situ accounted for a total of around 24,000 Vietnamese dead.

Australia's Defense Minister had in 1967 spurned the advice of a Sandhurst trained Colonel with the Australian Engineers, and allowed some twenty thousand M16 Jumping Jack Land Mines to be laid across an eleven kilometer swathe of some of the best farming and grazing land in Phuoc Tuy province.

The mines were laid in daylight by the Australians allegedly there after to be located and removed by the Viet Cong after nightfall, who allegedly relaid them to cause 57% of Australia's 508 fatalities in Vietnam. The Colonel was removed from his post in Vietnam who there after took his case directly to the Australian Parliament, and was left standing alone in the rain outside of Parliament House in Canberra.

Edit: The story the mines were being dug up and replanted by VC units is bullsh*t .. an Australian private from the Engineers who was sent home from Vietnam under arrest in 1969 asserted his unit was continuing to lay mines, even after the Government had ordered the cessation of mine laying activities, and those very same mines that had been surreptitiously laid by Australians were blowing other Australians to pieces! MT in Vietnam.

The armed forces racially integrated in 1948. Have they even "won" a war since then? What a cohenincidence.

I also respectfully disagree, we didn't lose, we left 2 years before Saigon fell. I would classify it as a utter waste of men and money by people that don't give a shit about either. Robert McNamara is a war pig of the highest order.

No, we didn't.
It was never intended to be won. Vietnam was a diversion from the progressive takeover by Lyndon Johnson.
The "incident" never happened in 1964. Film from nose cams of the F-4s sent in support showed no boat trails. Proved fake by 1969.
Agent Orange was 'applied' only in the south. Many tactically strategic areas in the north were off limits - no aircraft could fly over or attack the dumps/staging areas.

At home, the "great society" was in the process of destroying inner city communities. No one bothered to make that newsworthy, since Vietnam was the headliner.

If the intent was to win, we could have deployed an invasion force to Hanoi. The VC/NVA would have been hung out to dry, and within weeks it would have been done: this from a multi-tour officer.

Incidentally, a large percentage of the VC force was forcibly inducted into the fight.
Note that the first incursion of US troops met absolutely no resistance.

That’s not true. The jews didn’t want a win. It was just to make money.

Well, we did manage to kill like half a million of them or whatever in the meantime.

And ultimately Vietnam ended up more aligned with us than anyone else. We buy almost literally half of everything they export.

There. FIFY
"The real value of a conflict, the true value, is in the debt that it creates. If you control the debt, you control everything."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFqx2sROwsE

USA is a corporation.
Primary purpose of corporation is to make money.
Primary purpose of war is to destroy human capital.
The USA has every and all business to be engaged in war every second of every day.
How do you not understand this?

The only way to stop war is to stop joining the fight. Unfortunately with AI, humans are no longer needed.

The CIA killed JFK because he opposed the war.

Lost? They achieved everything they wanted. Including opening up the US to more communist immigrants.

@Seadevil110 hits the nail on the head. Wars abroad serve only to distract the heritage population from the efforts of the elites to irreversibly transform society into something more malleable for them to control. Every western civilization has done this, but it's only the Romans who were perceptive enough to call it as simply...

Divide et Impera.

Militarily we creamed them. 58k US dead vs over a million VC. But we had no business being there.

bUt wE wErE FiGhTiNg cOmMuNiSm!!

Bring the war home.

https://zlibrary-asia.se/book/3699317/527852