It says that religion alone gets you an exception to being denied the sovereignty to operate your business as you choose.
The freedoms of association and disassociation should extend to all and not be predicated upon the reasons given for association or refusal of association.
A business should have full discretion in who they choose to serve, what services are on offer, and on what terms services be delivered.
No particular reasoning should be required for refusal. Indeed, it should require no justification at all.
This court case makes refusal of service a matter of religious freedoms rather than a right that exists in all American citizens and requires no particular justification.
A white business owner who refuses to serve blacks should be permitted to do so if that is how they want to run their business.
They won't be able to if the only acceptable basis for such a refusal is that they have a religion that is against it.
I could find a passage in the Bible that says men who engage on gayness should be killed, but can't find one that says anything I could use to justify refusing to serve blacks.
On top on that, what if the store owner is a known atheist who doesn't want to serve gays? He can't use his religious beliefs to justify his refusal to the court because it's known that he doesn't hold such beliefs.
The proceeding court case on his refusal to bake the cake will hinge upon whether he's a homo-hating atheist or a spontaneous convert to some religion that forbids him from serving gays.
Not on whether or not he has the right to refuse service to gays in his own busines because HE chooses to of his own personal judgement.
As a known atheist that was also known to dislike homosexuals before his claims of conversion, and the convenience of the time when such claims of conversion were made before the court.
It'd most likely result in the court concluding that his sudden claims of religiousness were fabricated to allow him the state approved excuse for denial of service, and he'd be forced to bake the cake regardless of his unwillingness to do so.
/\ Gets it. Dont fall for the false victory. Its just an illusion. This is exactly like elon musk saying that saying cisgender can get you banned now. It seems like a good thing for about 2 seconds. Its all free speech, or no free speech. Censorship IS BLACK AND WHITE.
"The thing I like should be required by law and the thing I dislike should be banned"
"Wait, how the hell can they ban the thing I like and legally require the thing I dislike?"
When you set the precedent that you can't say the word cis, you set the stage for you being banned for saying the gamer word.
When you make a court case that says you don't have to bake the cake on grounds of religious freedom you set the precedent that if you lack the excuse of religious freedom (such as it being know that you are not of the right religion to make such claims), you'd have to bake the cake.
It also shuts rhe door to the true thing being argued for, which is the freedom of association in its fullness, where you can decide who you associate with and by extension decide who not to associate with.
[ - ] LawFag 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 15:28:15 ago (+1/-0)
This is an incorrect understanding of both the issue of the case and how the law works generally.
What you are talking about is the Fourteenth Amendment. This was not a Fourteenth Amendment case. In fact, this case walks back the over-expansive power of the Fourteenth Amendment in this particular area. The Fourteenth Amendment is what gives legislative power to desegregation-related legislation being applied to individuals instead of acting as a restraint against the government.
The entire approach to the subject is wrong. The manner of thinking is too petty and small-minded.
All modern wars are financial. We are in a financial war against our enemies. And they're winning. Why?
Because they have no reservations about pandering to us. They'll make what they know we'll buy. They sell it to us. They get rich from it. Then they use that capital to influence the masses, to campaign, to lobby, to buy companies, to drive policy, etc. That's how you win a financial war.
The fags want a dick cake? Great! Bake it. Charge them double for the custom job. Add a surcharge for skilled labor. And an administrative fee for adult content. Take the money and invest it in pushing a cause you believe in.
Never refuse to take money from the enemy. Utterly foolish. That's how you lose a financial war.
Buy from the right. Sell to the left.
Until we are rich enough to shape the future, and they are too poor to stop us.
How about if the baker has homophobia? Doesn't the admiral-in-a-dress consider that to be a mental disorder? Can't he refuse service because he's terrified of queers? You can't prosecute someone for a disability.
Businesses have always reserved the right to NOT serve who they do not want to. Private business. The owners right. The people saying this is bad are not changing my mind. If YOU own the business you do NOT have to serve those you do not wish to. This is not a gvnmnt NGO. This is a private business. Anyone whining otherwise is sus as Fuck to me. I don't care how long you have posted, or your numbers.
[ + ] gaperglory
[ - ] gaperglory 6 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 12:18:28 ago (+6/-0)
This is exactly like elon musk saying that saying cisgender can get you banned now. It seems like a good thing for about 2 seconds. Its all free speech, or no free speech. Censorship IS BLACK AND WHITE.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 13:05:35 ago (+1/-0)
"Wait, how the hell can they ban the thing I like and legally require the thing I dislike?"
When you set the precedent that you can't say the word cis, you set the stage for you being banned for saying the gamer word.
When you make a court case that says you don't have to bake the cake on grounds of religious freedom you set the precedent that if you lack the excuse of religious freedom (such as it being know that you are not of the right religion to make such claims), you'd have to bake the cake.
It also shuts rhe door to the true thing being argued for, which is the freedom of association in its fullness, where you can decide who you associate with and by extension decide who not to associate with.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 5 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 13:05:16 ago (+5/-0)
That's how private businesses work. Once you agree others have authority over you, you're inextricably complicit and must submit.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 13:07:01 ago (+2/-0)
Try doing that today and see yourself on the pointy end of a legal action.
[ + ] Sector7
[ - ] Sector7 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 14:18:14 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FluffyBunnySlippers
[ - ] FluffyBunnySlippers 3 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 12:59:36 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] LawFag
[ - ] LawFag 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 15:28:15 ago (+1/-0)
What you are talking about is the Fourteenth Amendment. This was not a Fourteenth Amendment case. In fact, this case walks back the over-expansive power of the Fourteenth Amendment in this particular area. The Fourteenth Amendment is what gives legislative power to desegregation-related legislation being applied to individuals instead of acting as a restraint against the government.
[ + ] Name
[ - ] Name 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 19:28:40 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 14:24:06 ago (+1/-0)*
All modern wars are financial. We are in a financial war against our enemies. And they're winning. Why?
Because they have no reservations about pandering to us. They'll make what they know we'll buy. They sell it to us. They get rich from it. Then they use that capital to influence the masses, to campaign, to lobby, to buy companies, to drive policy, etc. That's how you win a financial war.
The fags want a dick cake? Great! Bake it. Charge them double for the custom job. Add a surcharge for skilled labor. And an administrative fee for adult content. Take the money and invest it in pushing a cause you believe in.
Never refuse to take money from the enemy. Utterly foolish. That's how you lose a financial war.
Buy from the right. Sell to the left.
Until we are rich enough to shape the future, and they are too poor to stop us.
[ + ] Puller_of_Noses
[ - ] Puller_of_Noses 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 13:35:23 ago (+1/-0)
Doesn't the admiral-in-a-dress consider that to be a mental disorder?
Can't he refuse service because he's terrified of queers?
You can't prosecute someone for a disability.
[ + ] MynxiMe
[ - ] MynxiMe 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 19:12:04 ago (+0/-0)
Private business.
The owners right.
The people saying this is bad are not changing my mind.
If YOU own the business you do NOT have to serve those you do not wish to.
This is not a gvnmnt NGO.
This is a private business.
Anyone whining otherwise is sus as Fuck to me.
I don't care how long you have posted, or your numbers.
[ + ] allAheadFull
[ - ] allAheadFull 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 17:17:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 14:06:00 ago (+0/-0)
Yeah its a technicality. Use it. Use the loophole. We already know kikes dont fight fair. So?
[ + ] Razzoriel
[ - ] Razzoriel -1 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 17:46:37 ago (+0/-1)
Thats gays discriminating against gays
[ + ] GodDoesNotExist
[ - ] GodDoesNotExist -2 points 2.0 yearsJun 30, 2023 13:50:27 ago (+0/-2)*