I've been a vaccine skeptic for a while. But after Covid, and witnessing how corrupt the drug industry is (in conjunction with our government), I don't trust any vaccines.
I just had a baby, and don't want any vaccines, but my wife is not convinced that's the way to go. My options are 1) battle, or 2) convince her I'm right. Option 2 is the cleaner option.
So I'm trying to research why I would not give my baby vaccines, and the search engines obviously are all corrupted...
Clearly, when the leading vaccine scientists refuse to be debates (you know, what science actually is), you should run the other way. And then, the drug companies were able to get legal immunity from the problems their vaccines cause (but they don't cause any, right!?!?). And why are they require to go to school if they work so well with no problems? Who would fight vaccines if they were actually as effective and harmless as they say? To me, this is a no brainer based on logic alone.
But, I'd like to also provide the research. If anyone has research showing problems with vaccines, lack of problems in unvaccinated communities (like the Amish), links between vaccines and allergies, etc - I'd really appreciate seeing what you have.
Or, does anybody know where I can search for this stuff and not have it censored? I know the other side is out there, but I can't find it. Help!
I'm looking for a European guy riding his bike through nature (using a GoPro) giving a brief review of the Israeli scientists anonymous publication of the vaccine testing and efficacy farce, "Turtles All the Way Down." If anyone has a link, cheers.
1) Read "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries. It has like 40 pages of references at the end. You'll find all the graphs and data you need in the book.
2) Watch the Vaxxed 1 and 2 documentaries. Watch them yourself first, and once you are familiar with the content watch with your wife.
Use Bing, Qwant and Yandex for searching. Bing is main stream, but it's still 10 times better than Jewgle. You won't find anything with jewgle. It's useless. Don't even bother.
I have more resources, but those should get you started. Especially the graphs in Humphries book, that show very clearly vaccines were not responsible for the decline in common diseases.
That's the illusion. That's the lie.
Once you know what to look for, you will find those graphs online too. The graphs are decent material to introduce to newbies. But Vaxxed 1 and 2 are good was well.
The final step after you understand the lie, is to understand that the injections actually make things worse. That's where you will want to find vaxxed vs unvaxxed research. Those will be the final nail in the coffin.
2) I see 3 movies, "Vaxxed From Cover Up To Catastrophe" 2016, "Vaxxed 2 The Peoples Truth" 2019, and "Vaxxed Nation" 2021. I'll watch all three, but which 2 were you referring to?
Thanks for the Search Engine suggestions. I couldn't remember Yandex, hadn't heard of Qwant, and since Bing is Microsoft, I figured it'd be just as censored, but it appears infinitely more helpful.
Definitely the push in the right direction I needed. Thank you so much!!
I number them in order of release. So 2016 is Vaxxed 1, then 2, then 3. I was talking about the 1st and 2nd, but it doesn't hurt to watch all of them. Good luck!
Quop, great post! Thank you. I've been also looking for exact facts (take the emotion out) to present to several dimwit relatives/friends coming to visit over the summer
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:36:51 ago (+1/-0)
Ideally, I can compile what I put together (I'm getting some info on Poal also), and share it with the community. I'm hitting some dead ends, but I'm finding some good stuff also.
My understanding of brave is that its a browser started by one of the founders of Mozilla who didn't like the direction of Firefox, so he branched off of Chrome to start Brave. He added in features like integrated BAT tokens, and made it not spy on you like other browsers - but I'm not under the assumption that Brave is a search engine. I haven't ever really used it though, so maybe there's something there. I just don't know enough to have an opinion.
I will tell you a simple litmus test for search engines, or any wiki or other type of information hub.
Type in something like "vaccine injury". If all you see is denial, references to "anti-vaxxers", "debunking anti-vaccine myths", and only official gov sources, then it's not an honest system.
It's a similar type of test when you search for jews, ADL, the holohoax, WEF, global banking cartel etc.
But vaccines are a great test, because it shows very quickly if the results are manually curated and under "official" narrative control or not.
I've never used Brave, but try some of those searches and see if you can find what you're looking for, or if the results only keep you boxed inside the Matrix. Then you know.
Part of the problem is not having enough information and confidence to stand up to health care professionals and say no.
I have it now , but I didnt when I was 30. Young moms lack that confidence, and are terrified that if they are wrong (little Johnny gets polio) that all their friends and family and physicians will try to shame them, which they will. No one wil shame them if they make their kids retarded because they worship the Fauci.
Truth My friend and his wife agreed not to vax. Next day wife takes kid in for a visit. He happens to call her just in time right to find out the doctor is preparing the syringe.
Honey. What did we just agree?
"I don't know. They pushed me to do it."
Had he not have called, his kid may have ended up with with 3 shots.
Anyone who makes this choice WILL have to stand up to massive pressure. You have to do your own research in order to arm yourself in those brow beating sessions. The more I research it the more sure I am that Im right.
Thankfully (?) the vaccine industry has been exposed as a pack of scum bags to even the most uninvolved normies as a result of the covid vax, so hammering that fact home is a good strategy for people that arent good at medical speak.
That's exactly the problem. She knows how much pressure they're going to put on her, and she's terrified that she won't know how to respond and look like a crazy nutjob refusing vaccines without good reason. Its my job to arm her. I've received a lot of good ammo in this post.
I would recommend taking notes on things that you/she learn about vaccines.
I started researching this topic maybe 8 years ago or so and I started to change my mind on the subject right away. One of the things I realized was that measles, mumps and rubella can cause autism in severe cases. At least in some instances, this has been proven to be because of autoimmune encephalitis (the immune response mistakenly attacks the brain). I knew if that was possible, it was also possible that a vaccine induced immune response could do the same. Its been suggested that the potential for this encephalitis to occur is higher with the vaccines because an injected vaccine can go directly to the brain. Wild infections are introduced through the GI and respiratory tracts which have a different immune response from the rest of the body. Wild infections also do not have adjuvants which are thought to cause many autoimmune conditons by hyperactivating the immune system. Obviously vaccines do. Search for papers on ASIA on pubmed, which is “autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvants” or something like that. Its pretty much accepted that gulf war syndrome was caused by too much adjuvants from too many vaccinations before deployment. Gulf war syndrome is a pretty good argument against vaccines.
There is a frequency of febrile seizure in something like 1 in 1000 babies who get MMR. They act like thats no big deal but I think its a sign of brain inflammation and potential damage. Something like 1 in 50,000 get full blown measles after injection, according to Merck. If we know that measles can cause autism and the vaccine can cause measles, how can they claim there’s no link between MMR vaccine and autism?
Given that the fatality and risk of permanent injury from these diseases is so low how can vaccination be justified? For measles, risk of death or neurological injury was something like 1 in 10,000 like 50 years ago in the US. Severe cases of measles almost always occur in children with underlying conditions (e.g. mitochondrial disease) or children deficient in vitamin A. Most measles deaths today occur in countries like India where vitamin A deficiency is high. Ensuring proper intake of vitamin A is the best and safest prevention measure against measles and several other diseases. But you cant make billions of dollars off vitamin A sales.
Anyway I just looked up alot of studies on pubmed when I was researching this stuff. I realized there is a good chance that my autoimmune syndrome may have been caused by a vaccine too.
Lots of cases of particular vaccines being linked to widespread autoimmune disease outbreaks. I think there was a swineflu vax in france that caused thousands of cases of MS. The CDC et al. will claim “oh it was just a few specific vaccines” that had this problem. But theyre all using essentially the same ingredients in iteration after iteration of these vaccines. They just tweak the recipe a little bit. The viruses and bacteria we are immunized for evolve to resemble the proteins in our body through a process called molecular mimicry. They do this to evade our immune systems. This is one reason we can develop autoimmunity—our immune systems get confused about which proteins are the virus and which are “self” . This is why any vaccine could potentially be a trigger for an autoimmune disease.
That peanut allergy epidemic was caused by them and they totally deny it. They probably gave cancer to millions of people through the smallpox vax which was contaminated by the carcinogenic SV40 virus. They covered it up.
I cant find the article right now but the vet who first reported ASIA in sheep flocks vaccinated for bluetongue disease said he was absolutely stonewalled from publishing his study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30632098/
Its the same people doing the same shit they did with the covid vax. They were corrupt all along. They were doing bad science because they could make money off it. The safetynof vaccines is unknown. The reduction of infectious disease is due to improvement of sanitation, nutrition and medical treatments, not vaccines.
I could go on all night. But hopefully you have a few leads to follow. Good luck with the missus. And the kid, congratulations.
Its very simple. Neurotoxic chemicals like mercury, formaldehyde, thimerosal and aluminum cause neurological disorders. Early childhood vaccines are a cocktail of these neurotoxic chemicals. By all means blindly disregard this reality and destroy your child and live with the consequences…
I got this for my wife, it's not a fun read or anything but skimming through it you get a sense of a ton of information that has been suppressed.
I was in a similar situation and my wife is 100% on board with no vaccines now. Next thing she's worried about is the social stuff, schools and what not.
I'll ask her what actually sold her on the idea, but I think some of it was a few natural health instagram accounts. I'll ask her for those too.
I will tell you flat out. Don't. None of my kids received even a single fucking dose of anything since birth having used a midwife services house and now travel alot so are exposed to whatevers. They are all extremely healthy, witty, street smart and intelligent. They know.
I feel like the best information will be in the fda.gov link, but it looks very technical. I'm going to have to save that for the morning when my brain isn't so tired. The last two links support vaccines, or debunk anti-vaccine rhetoric. They seem to be strange inclusions in this list.
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:53:55 ago (+1/-0)
So is the kid already born and is it male or female? Vitamin k is given immediately after birth. This is a clotting agent. The baby will develop this naturally after 72 hours or so. If you are not circumcising your son, there is no reason to have this. Make sure no one cuts your baby.
2. There is a hep vax that is also given to newborns immediately after birth. This is because of transmitted std exposure. If you and your wife are clean, and she has been faithful, there is no reason to get this.
When my son was born the nurse was yelling at my wife that she was a bad mother for not vaxxing our kid. Then she told a sob story about how her 2 kids were autistic. Lol. Wonder why.
A friend of mine has four kids, all adults now, and he did a partial vax to the first one, and then none to the rest, and they're all paragons of health.
I have two kids, and we didn't vaccinate them either. They're both very healthy and vigorous.
But apart from anecdotes, there are studies out there that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the prevalence of disease among them.
There is also the history of vaccines to look into, which will surely raise an eyebrow.
And lastly, you could start your wife's braincogs turning by asking simple questions like where is the autism among unvaccinated children? because there isn't any. If she wants to act, then the onus is on her, not you. She needs to convince you, and any argument from authority is fallacious.
Where are the studies that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated? I'm looking for them, but haven't found them. Though I have new search engines to use, so fingers-crossed!
She's going to put it on me to find the studies. I know, I can battle and tell her to (and I might if it comes to it), but I'd rather produce the studies myself. I'm looking.
What bushcuck says. There really arent any large double blind placebo controlled studies (with true placebos) that look at health outcomes for longer than a few weeks after vaccination. I couldnt believe they didnt exist. But they dont. Not publicly anyway. I suspect they wont perform this basic experiment publicly because they have done so privately and they know the answer. And its a bad one.
They (CDC, FDA etc) will say theres no evidence that vaccines cause autism but they refuse to perform the most fundamental experiment in science to prove safety. They stand on “retrospective” studies because they can cherry pick their data sets, its not a truly random experiment.
Perhaps later I will make a longer comment on this subject as Im sort of busy rn. But I was where your wife was a few years ago, and I “trusted science” i.e. the scientific establishment, and did not comprehend how deeply corrupt the peer reviewed study system was and how easily scientific studies could be gamed through deceptive statistics. I also did not understand how autism could possibly be caused by a vaccine and now that Ive researched it I do— through immune reactions that cause auto-immune inflamatory conditions resulting in encephalopathy. And there are lots of other autoimmune conditions that can be triggered by these vaccines. And allergies. Individual risks are going to hinge on genetic predispositions. Do you or your wife have family members with autoimmune conditions?
Its not just the covid vax. Its not just MMR. Theres alot of buzz about the hep vax. Ive seen bad stuff about dtap. Avoiding vitamin deficiencies and keeping away from shitskin communities is probably the best defense agaisnt infectious illness in kids. Any vaccine can trigger an autoimmune disease and there are particular reasons why a vaccine may be more likely to trigger autoimmunity in a child than a “wild” infection ( oral/respiratory innoculation vs intravenous injection, immune-provoking adjuvants)
It’s russian roulette with your baby. To an extent so is taking your baby out into the world. But I think unvaccinated is the lesser of two evils. The CDC/FDA/NIH has NEVER proven either safety or efficacy. There is no scientific basis for either of those claims. The onus is on the pro-vaxxers to to so, not on people advocating natural immunity approach.
I would never say “Don’t ever take a vaccine” or “vaccines never work” because I believe in some situations they do. But they always pose some risk and must be assesed for safety/necessity individually and when used within a multi-vaccine regime because they effect/interact with each other. There is no unbiased uncorrupt body that has properly vetted them for use on infants. We simply dont know how dangerous the current CDC vaccine protocol is for the average infant or your particular infant based on genetic risk. But we do know that risk is not zero and the government/big pharma/wall street has been engaged in a massive campaign to supress the dangers for decades. The covid vax fiasco was just another episode in this effort— all the usual suspects of the covid vax debacle are the same ones gaslighting parents about autism and allergies and other issues like SIDS, autoimmune diseases, cancer and neurodegenerative disease.
Vaccines are a “single payer model” which means neither the government or the seller have any interest in the wellbeing of the patient. As long as they maintain the lie, they have invented a fool proof racket. The people supposed to be policing the industry financially benefit from the crime.
Try searchvoat.co to look for studies that might have been posted. Maybe Ill look around later since I sense she needs to see something written by a PHd. If you read the studies on these issue, you can see that the immunologists discuss the risks associated with immunizations but they use more technical jargon and sometimes you have to read between the lines. These studies dont get published if they use clear language to say vaccines are harming kids. Funding is controlled by the NIH and corporations. Elsevier controls most of the journals and scientists must edit their verbiage to be “politically correct” if they want to be published. There is nothing objective about the current establishment.
Edit: this was supposed to be a brief comment lol.
You clearly put a lot into it. I don't know of any autoimmune conditions in our family.
You say they current assertion that vaccines do not cause autism is based on "retrospective" studies. What type of studies would actively test for autism?
I don't necessarily need studies/papers from a PHd, just trying to collect any ammo I can find. As I mentioned in a different comment, a large part of her hesitancy is that she knows they're going to come guns blazing and she's unprepared for that. I'll be there, and I'll do the talking, so I don't have to fully prep her. But I need to have a good argument to respond to the doctors.
I'm reading through a lot of documents/articles now. If you feel like searching and find something, I'll definitely take the time to look through it. I might have enough at this point though. I've already ordered 2 books, got 3 movies, and am reading a ton.
To be honest, I was hoping there'd be a smoking gun, like "here's the link to autism (or even allergies...)", but it looks like studies just don't exist so that the medical community can say "no studies link vaccines to anything".
You say they current assertion that vaccines do not cause autism is based on "retrospective" studies. What type of studies would actively test for autism?
A double blind randomized placebo control study with a sample size large enough for a narrow confidence interval, which measures health outcomes long enough to detect complications like autoimmune syndrome, autism and allergies. Theres nothing like this for any of the safety studies on the vaccines we a using now. This is the fundamental experiment of science: take a randomly selected placebo group and experimental group (vaccinated) and observe their health long enough to observe incidence of autism. You need to follow up with vaccinated babies for 10 or 15 years at least. None of these safety trials extend past a few weeks, which is too soon to diagnose autism and manynother diseases. Addiionally many safety trials use an adjuvant as the placebo, or another vaccine. Thats total phukery.
The CDC will point to retrospective studies and meta-analyses for their claims of long term safety. This is bullshit because the process of selecting data sets ( usually vaccination status and autism status from schools) is open to cherry picking and other deceptive statistical practices. A randomized placebo control study can still be fraudulaent but its not as easy to cheat.
Why wouldnt the CDC/FDA/NIH simply fund a large randomized study of unvaccinated and vaccinated kids which follows kids for 10 years? Theyve handed out billions for studies into less important subjects. Why dont they have the funding for this study? They could put this controversy to bed if they had that study. Why isnt it being performed?
To be honest, I was hoping there'd be a smoking gun, like "here's the link to autism (or even allergies...)"
Look up ASIA. Watch that Sharyl Attkisson video I posted. It is acknowleged that MMR causes autism in kids with mitochondrial disease. Shouldnt be hard to find that.
[ - ] qwop 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:48:22 ago (+1/-0)
Subscribe to Steve Kirsch's substack. He's currently on a mission to expose the vaxx fraud. You will get a lot of good material from there. Well worth it.
Evidence of Increase in Mortality After the Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine to Children Aged 6-35 Months in Guinea-Bissau: A Time for Reflection? -P. Aaby, 2018
Other thing to think about is the default mentally. The default for any vax should be no, unless there is a very specific reason for it. This is a moderate stance you can take. However, most of the vaccines are for very rare things that can still be treated with medical intervention. This means it takes a real good argument to be for a vax.
Then tell her to do her own research on the Amish and if they have sids or autism or any real issues with health. They have been living on average to the 70s for hundreds of years with no vaccines
Lots of good information already posted. Only thing I'd add is about greed and money and shareholder liability. All vaccine manufacturers are for profit corporations. Which means they owe a duty to their investors to maximize profits. Additionally as others have pointed out, they pay absolutely nothing for the injuries their products cause. When you combine a duty to maximize profits with zero concern for liabilities, you get a system that only makes a product just safe enough to get approved or that can ne bribed to approved.
Of course they have been fudging the vaers database the past few years but you can still see a LOT of deaths and injuries.
Mostly though just find some youtube videos and other videos where heartbroken mothers are warning people what happened. The emotional appeal works a lot.
Tell here science is NOT consensus and the fact they don't debate shows you something is wrong. Also explain to her in western countries the "protections" from various vaccines are not worth it since those diseases are statistically not even present any more. Also, your child can always get them voluntarily and make that decision for herself later. Her body, her choice...right?
[ + ] Alex95percent
[ - ] Alex95percent 0 points 3 monthsJan 22, 2024 22:01:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 9 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 10:48:29 ago (+9/-0)*
1) Read "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries. It has like 40 pages of references at the end. You'll find all the graphs and data you need in the book.
2) Watch the Vaxxed 1 and 2 documentaries. Watch them yourself first, and once you are familiar with the content watch with your wife.
Use Bing, Qwant and Yandex for searching. Bing is main stream, but it's still 10 times better than Jewgle. You won't find anything with jewgle. It's useless. Don't even bother.
I have more resources, but those should get you started. Especially the graphs in Humphries book, that show very clearly vaccines were not responsible for the decline in common diseases.
That's the illusion. That's the lie.
Once you know what to look for, you will find those graphs online too. The graphs are decent material to introduce to newbies. But Vaxxed 1 and 2 are good was well.
The final step after you understand the lie, is to understand that the injections actually make things worse. That's where you will want to find vaxxed vs unvaxxed research. Those will be the final nail in the coffin.
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 2 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:10:26 ago (+2/-0)
https://dissolvingillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-and-The-Forgotten-History-FREE-Chapters-.pdf
2) I see 3 movies, "Vaxxed From Cover Up To Catastrophe" 2016, "Vaxxed 2 The Peoples Truth" 2019, and "Vaxxed Nation" 2021. I'll watch all three, but which 2 were you referring to?
Thanks for the Search Engine suggestions. I couldn't remember Yandex, hadn't heard of Qwant, and since Bing is Microsoft, I figured it'd be just as censored, but it appears infinitely more helpful.
Definitely the push in the right direction I needed. Thank you so much!!
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:17:25 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] stz77
[ - ] stz77 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 14:11:57 ago (+0/-0)
Do you have links to all those?
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 22:57:24 ago (+0/-0)
if you're looking for the actual movies, I don't have links to them.
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 2 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:13:42 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:36:51 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Leveraction
[ - ] Leveraction 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:15:09 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:36:12 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FuckShitJesus
[ - ] FuckShitJesus 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:20:25 ago (+0/-0)
Nothing Google produces is ever safe. Period.
[ + ] MynxiMe
[ - ] MynxiMe 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 18:45:28 ago (+0/-0)
Do a Yandex search vs Brave.
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:33:06 ago (+0/-0)
Type in something like "vaccine injury". If all you see is denial, references to "anti-vaxxers", "debunking anti-vaccine myths", and only official gov sources, then it's not an honest system.
It's a similar type of test when you search for jews, ADL, the holohoax, WEF, global banking cartel etc.
But vaccines are a great test, because it shows very quickly if the results are manually curated and under "official" narrative control or not.
I've never used Brave, but try some of those searches and see if you can find what you're looking for, or if the results only keep you boxed inside the Matrix. Then you know.
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 5 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:11:28 ago (+5/-0)*
Finally, watched vaxxed 2 with her. All she needed
I made mistake of reason and logic. You need both logic and emotion which that documentary brings.
Both are great but vaxxed 2 really brings out the devastating reality. 2019
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:57:55 ago (+0/-0)
I have it now , but I didnt when I was 30. Young moms lack that confidence, and are terrified that if they are wrong (little Johnny gets polio) that all their friends and family and physicians will try to shame them, which they will. No one wil shame them if they make their kids retarded because they worship the Fauci.
Emotions do play heavily in this argument.
[ + ] observation1
[ - ] observation1 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:01:21 ago (+1/-0)
My friend and his wife agreed not to vax.
Next day wife takes kid in for a visit.
He happens to call her just in time right to find out the doctor is preparing the syringe.
Honey. What did we just agree?
"I don't know. They pushed me to do it."
Had he not have called, his kid may have ended up with with 3 shots.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 21:02:11 ago (+1/-0)
Thankfully (?) the vaccine industry has been exposed as a pack of scum bags to even the most uninvolved normies as a result of the covid vax, so hammering that fact home is a good strategy for people that arent good at medical speak.
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:02:13 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJul 1, 2023 00:20:00 ago (+0/-0)
I started researching this topic maybe 8 years ago or so and I started to change my mind on the subject right away. One of the things I realized was that measles, mumps and rubella can cause autism in severe cases. At least in some instances, this has been proven to be because of autoimmune encephalitis (the immune response mistakenly attacks the brain). I knew if that was possible, it was also possible that a vaccine induced immune response could do the same. Its been suggested that the potential for this encephalitis to occur is higher with the vaccines because an injected vaccine can go directly to the brain. Wild infections are introduced through the GI and respiratory tracts which have a different immune response from the rest of the body. Wild infections also do not have adjuvants which are thought to cause many autoimmune conditons by hyperactivating the immune system. Obviously vaccines do. Search for papers on ASIA on pubmed, which is “autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvants” or something like that. Its pretty much accepted that gulf war syndrome was caused by too much adjuvants from too many vaccinations before deployment. Gulf war syndrome is a pretty good argument against vaccines.
There is a frequency of febrile seizure in something like 1 in 1000 babies who get MMR. They act like thats no big deal but I think its a sign of brain inflammation and potential damage. Something like 1 in 50,000 get full blown measles after injection, according to Merck. If we know that measles can cause autism and the vaccine can cause measles, how can they claim there’s no link between MMR vaccine and autism?
Given that the fatality and risk of permanent injury from these diseases is so low how can vaccination be justified? For measles, risk of death or neurological injury was something like 1 in 10,000 like 50 years ago in the US. Severe cases of measles almost always occur in children with underlying conditions (e.g. mitochondrial disease) or children deficient in vitamin A. Most measles deaths today occur in countries like India where vitamin A deficiency is high. Ensuring proper intake of vitamin A is the best and safest prevention measure against measles and several other diseases. But you cant make billions of dollars off vitamin A sales.
Anyway I just looked up alot of studies on pubmed when I was researching this stuff. I realized there is a good chance that my autoimmune syndrome may have been caused by a vaccine too.
Lots of cases of particular vaccines being linked to widespread autoimmune disease outbreaks. I think there was a swineflu vax in france that caused thousands of cases of MS. The CDC et al. will claim “oh it was just a few specific vaccines” that had this problem. But theyre all using essentially the same ingredients in iteration after iteration of these vaccines. They just tweak the recipe a little bit. The viruses and bacteria we are immunized for evolve to resemble the proteins in our body through a process called molecular mimicry. They do this to evade our immune systems. This is one reason we can develop autoimmunity—our immune systems get confused about which proteins are the virus and which are “self” . This is why any vaccine could potentially be a trigger for an autoimmune disease.
That peanut allergy epidemic was caused by them and they totally deny it. They probably gave cancer to millions of people through the smallpox vax which was contaminated by the carcinogenic SV40 virus. They covered it up.
I cant find the article right now but the vet who first reported ASIA in sheep flocks vaccinated for bluetongue disease said he was absolutely stonewalled from publishing his study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30632098/
Its the same people doing the same shit they did with the covid vax. They were corrupt all along. They were doing bad science because they could make money off it. The safetynof vaccines is unknown. The reduction of infectious disease is due to improvement of sanitation, nutrition and medical treatments, not vaccines.
I could go on all night. But hopefully you have a few leads to follow. Good luck with the missus. And the kid, congratulations.
[ + ] Imsickofmakingusernames
[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames 2 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:38:18 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] iamthelightning
[ - ] iamthelightning 2 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 12:07:47 ago (+2/-0)
I got this for my wife, it's not a fun read or anything but skimming through it you get a sense of a ton of information that has been suppressed.
I was in a similar situation and my wife is 100% on board with no vaccines now.
Next thing she's worried about is the social stuff, schools and what not.
I'll ask her what actually sold her on the idea, but I think some of it was a few natural health instagram accounts. I'll ask her for those too.
Godspeed.
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:00:01 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] kammmmak
[ - ] kammmmak 2 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:51:58 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] MynxiMe
[ - ] MynxiMe 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 18:44:27 ago (+1/-0)
https://www.ageofautism.com/2013/12/vaccine-side-effects-what-every-mom-should-know.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114674/
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Analysis-A-short-history-of-when-vaccines-went-15530841.php
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-side-effects-and-adverse-events
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/thimerosal-vaccines-questions-and-answers
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/autism-studies.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2014/02/22/is-the-cdc-hiding-data-about-mercury-vaccines-and-autism/
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:05:45 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JzCiBv39IvqH/
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:15:18 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:53:55 ago (+1/-0)
Vitamin k is given immediately after birth. This is a clotting agent. The baby will develop this naturally after 72 hours or so. If you are not circumcising your son, there is no reason to have this. Make sure no one cuts your baby.
2. There is a hep vax that is also given to newborns immediately after birth. This is because of transmitted std exposure. If you and your wife are clean, and she has been faithful, there is no reason to get this.
When my son was born the nurse was yelling at my wife that she was a bad mother for not vaxxing our kid. Then she told a sob story about how her 2 kids were autistic. Lol. Wonder why.
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[ - ] deleted 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 12:36:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:34:23 ago (+1/-0)
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[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:09:59 ago (+1/-0)
I have two kids, and we didn't vaccinate them either. They're both very healthy and vigorous.
But apart from anecdotes, there are studies out there that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the prevalence of disease among them.
There is also the history of vaccines to look into, which will surely raise an eyebrow.
And lastly, you could start your wife's braincogs turning by asking simple questions like where is the autism among unvaccinated children? because there isn't any. If she wants to act, then the onus is on her, not you. She needs to convince you, and any argument from authority is fallacious.
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:12:32 ago (+0/-0)
She's going to put it on me to find the studies. I know, I can battle and tell her to (and I might if it comes to it), but I'd rather produce the studies myself. I'm looking.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 4 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:44:06 ago (+4/-0)
They (CDC, FDA etc) will say theres no evidence that vaccines cause autism but they refuse to perform the most fundamental experiment in science to prove safety. They stand on “retrospective” studies because they can cherry pick their data sets, its not a truly random experiment.
Perhaps later I will make a longer comment on this subject as Im sort of busy rn. But I was where your wife was a few years ago, and I “trusted science” i.e. the scientific establishment, and did not comprehend how deeply corrupt the peer reviewed study system was and how easily scientific studies could be gamed through deceptive statistics. I also did not understand how autism could possibly be caused by a vaccine and now that Ive researched it I do— through immune reactions that cause auto-immune inflamatory conditions resulting in encephalopathy. And there are lots of other autoimmune conditions that can be triggered by these vaccines. And allergies. Individual risks are going to hinge on genetic predispositions. Do you or your wife have family members with autoimmune conditions?
Its not just the covid vax. Its not just MMR. Theres alot of buzz about the hep vax. Ive seen bad stuff about dtap. Avoiding vitamin deficiencies and keeping away from shitskin communities is probably the best defense agaisnt infectious illness in kids. Any vaccine can trigger an autoimmune disease and there are particular reasons why a vaccine may be more likely to trigger autoimmunity in a child than a “wild” infection ( oral/respiratory innoculation vs intravenous injection, immune-provoking adjuvants)
It’s russian roulette with your baby. To an extent so is taking your baby out into the world. But I think unvaccinated is the lesser of two evils. The CDC/FDA/NIH has NEVER proven either safety or efficacy. There is no scientific basis for either of those claims. The onus is on the pro-vaxxers to to so, not on people advocating natural immunity approach.
I would never say “Don’t ever take a vaccine” or “vaccines never work” because I believe in some situations they do. But they always pose some risk and must be assesed for safety/necessity individually and when used within a multi-vaccine regime because they effect/interact with each other. There is no unbiased uncorrupt body that has properly vetted them for use on infants. We simply dont know how dangerous the current CDC vaccine protocol is for the average infant or your particular infant based on genetic risk. But we do know that risk is not zero and the government/big pharma/wall street has been engaged in a massive campaign to supress the dangers for decades. The covid vax fiasco was just another episode in this effort— all the usual suspects of the covid vax debacle are the same ones gaslighting parents about autism and allergies and other issues like SIDS, autoimmune diseases, cancer and neurodegenerative disease.
Vaccines are a “single payer model” which means neither the government or the seller have any interest in the wellbeing of the patient. As long as they maintain the lie, they have invented a fool proof racket. The people supposed to be policing the industry financially benefit from the crime.
Try searchvoat.co to look for studies that might have been posted. Maybe Ill look around later since I sense she needs to see something written by a PHd. If you read the studies on these issue, you can see that the immunologists discuss the risks associated with immunizations but they use more technical jargon and sometimes you have to read between the lines. These studies dont get published if they use clear language to say vaccines are harming kids. Funding is controlled by the NIH and corporations. Elsevier controls most of the journals and scientists must edit their verbiage to be “politically correct” if they want to be published. There is nothing objective about the current establishment.
Edit: this was supposed to be a brief comment lol.
[ + ] jammicsmith
[ - ] jammicsmith [op] 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:24:49 ago (+0/-0)
You say they current assertion that vaccines do not cause autism is based on "retrospective" studies. What type of studies would actively test for autism?
I don't necessarily need studies/papers from a PHd, just trying to collect any ammo I can find. As I mentioned in a different comment, a large part of her hesitancy is that she knows they're going to come guns blazing and she's unprepared for that. I'll be there, and I'll do the talking, so I don't have to fully prep her. But I need to have a good argument to respond to the doctors.
I'm reading through a lot of documents/articles now. If you feel like searching and find something, I'll definitely take the time to look through it. I might have enough at this point though. I've already ordered 2 books, got 3 movies, and am reading a ton.
To be honest, I was hoping there'd be a smoking gun, like "here's the link to autism (or even allergies...)", but it looks like studies just don't exist so that the medical community can say "no studies link vaccines to anything".
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJul 1, 2023 01:04:55 ago (+0/-0)
A double blind randomized placebo control study with a sample size large enough for a narrow confidence interval, which measures health outcomes long enough to detect complications like autoimmune syndrome, autism and allergies. Theres nothing like this for any of the safety studies on the vaccines we a using now. This is the fundamental experiment of science: take a randomly selected placebo group and experimental group (vaccinated) and observe their health long enough to observe incidence of autism. You need to follow up with vaccinated babies for 10 or 15 years at least. None of these safety trials extend past a few weeks, which is too soon to diagnose autism and manynother diseases. Addiionally many safety trials use an adjuvant as the placebo, or another vaccine. Thats total phukery.
The CDC will point to retrospective studies and meta-analyses for their claims of long term safety. This is bullshit because the process of selecting data sets ( usually vaccination status and autism status from schools) is open to cherry picking and other deceptive statistical practices. A randomized placebo control study can still be fraudulaent but its not as easy to cheat.
Why wouldnt the CDC/FDA/NIH simply fund a large randomized study of unvaccinated and vaccinated kids which follows kids for 10 years? Theyve handed out billions for studies into less important subjects. Why dont they have the funding for this study? They could put this controversy to bed if they had that study. Why isnt it being performed?
Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes—A review -Helen V. Ratajczak 2011
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/1547691X.2010.545086
Look up ASIA. Watch that Sharyl Attkisson video I posted. It is acknowleged that MMR causes autism in kids with mitochondrial disease. Shouldnt be hard to find that.
[ + ] deleted
[ - ] deleted 3 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:24:00 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 1 point 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 13:48:22 ago (+1/-0)
Example:
https://files.catbox.moe/pe502o.png
Another one:
"We Can’t Find an Autistic Kid Who Was Unvaccinated"
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1674233704326078465
I will dig up a study for you if I can find it. I posted it here on Voat also earlier. Might have been in a comment.
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 14:11:57 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=649f195005459
[ + ] carnold03
[ - ] carnold03 0 points 10 monthsJul 1, 2023 04:42:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 21:41:31 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vVYF0FbTb5xA/
Evidence of Increase in Mortality After the Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine to Children Aged 6-35 Months in Guinea-Bissau: A Time for Reflection? -P. Aaby, 2018
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2018.00079/full
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 21:03:50 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/1547691X.2010.545086
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:56:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:55:19 ago (+0/-0)
Then tell her to do her own research on the Amish and if they have sids or autism or any real issues with health. They have been living on average to the 70s for hundreds of years with no vaccines
Probabky have very low cancer rates as well
[ + ] fritz_maurentod
[ - ] fritz_maurentod 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:39:03 ago (+0/-0)
The book "The real Anthony Fauci" is also an eye opener.
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 15:28:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 23:09:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 10 monthsJul 1, 2023 01:26:07 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsJul 1, 2023 01:39:34 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] WTFisthisshit
[ - ] WTFisthisshit 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 14:43:05 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] stz77
[ - ] stz77 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 14:03:42 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation
Search for vaccine injuries here by vaccine type, etc.
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php
Of course they have been fudging the vaers database the past few years but you can still see a LOT of deaths and injuries.
Mostly though just find some youtube videos and other videos where heartbroken mothers are warning people what happened. The emotional appeal works a lot.
Tell here science is NOT consensus and the fact they don't debate shows you something is wrong. Also explain to her in western countries the "protections" from various vaccines are not worth it since those diseases are statistically not even present any more. Also, your child can always get them voluntarily and make that decision for herself later. Her body, her choice...right?
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 10 monthsJun 30, 2023 11:05:32 ago (+0/-0)