I've heard the same story from woman's side and men's it is pure insanity and it makes no sense. I hear the same story over and over and have experienced it first hand both ways
Being nice to someone signals that they have more social status than you. Being a dick signals they have less. This is subconscious and most people react to this without realizing it.
So when you're a dick she thinks she's getting a sweet deal. When you're nice she wonders if she's "settling"
I was just being stupid with the question. I know men like crazy. He says I've taken years off of his life but he smiles as he says it.
Btw ..tried the tallow thing again and just beautiful... I think it was just a lot the first time I tried it because I didnt know what I was doing. Thanks for the competition inspiration.
this is the simple answer that sounds right which I would used to give but i'm gonna disagree with it now. women specifically favour the worst types of men.. many of these men are not resolute and generally just go with her flow. he fits the bill of what is being popularised through media. he's violent, tatted, degenerate, his rudeness is 'funny', he's fun to be around at parties. he fits the bill as a dominant chimpanzee in general social settings. but beyond that he doesn't have any firm opinions on anything, has no direction in life, follows her lead on everything (what to watch on tv, where to go during the day on wknds, etc.) cause he's totally mindless and just doesn't care. modern women will choose him over a dominant resolute disciplined soldier.
would a woman of the past? definitely not so much. so while i'd like to say it's just women reflecting their own wicked nature onto a man and finding a connection, it's mostly just them emulating modern media. most of the time the 'treating them bad' part comes as part of a response to the woman purposely creating drama to again emulate what modern media produces.
These kinds of traits will seem shiny, but are like gold plated jewlery - it's all fun and games till the chips are down and you gotta hauck it at the pawn shop, then you learn it's worthless - and women work this out with these types of guys and soon ditch them.
As for what you said about 'goes with her flow' you are right, but this too is fools gold.
It's an oxymoronic trait that women think they want, but it's actually unattractive (sometimes even on a subconscious level) - over time this attitude from the male will result in the woman loosing interest and walking out or cheating repeatedly.
A degree of synergy is required, and both will to some extent move towards the other. For long term success you need to have things you each do / are interested in alone, and stuff you do together.
those things do not equal that. if two men are equal in strength and all other ways but one is a tatted degenerate, women will prefer him.
women conform to norms and pressure men to do likewise. female chimps do this too (they attack any male who attacks the dominant male, and any challenger must groom the pack of females first and gradually win them over, and only then can he have the privilege of the challenge, and if he starts proving superior then the pack of females will quickly side with him) when she creates drama and the normal guy 'puts his foot down' and doesn't play ball, she finds that boring. sure, she prefers that to a normal guy who doesn't even do that and just submits, but moreso she prefers the degenerate who plays the game with her, argues, calls her a bitch, comes back with flowers. he is behaving like men should behave, according to how she's been taught through media.
the only reason women 'mature' and accept the normal guy is because of pressure from other social influences which she then conforms to, and because she has to.
women are very primitive. they prefer primitive dominance to modern dominance. a violent criminal showcases his dominance more than a soldier. it doesn't matter if the soldier is firmer in his opinions, would win in a fight (unless she literally sees such fight take place). a degenerate showcases dominance more than a normal person simply through loudness. it doesn't matter if he isn't actually dominant, he is showcasing dominant traits whereas a normal man isn't, and so she likes that. the more primitive a man's behaviours, the more likely it is in a language the female can understand and respond to. modern male behaviours are totally alien to women, they can't understand them and feel nothing towards them.
Makes the very valid point that it's the inexperienced (and I would add stupid) females that fall for these hollow / shadow male traits.
Also remember humans are not chimpanzees. The human dynamic is the polar opposite.
The human male does not 'groom' the females in order to be accepted as potential alpha, the human male must get 'groomed' by the females in order to become the alpha chimp.
This is often referred to as 'social proof' - Also be VERY careful about making conclusions about what goes on behind closed doors, based upon public appearance. A lot of the time women in a relationship will dial up certain factors in order to massage more social proof and status for themselves.
Once in a relationship, women will often attempt to "enhance" the perception of their partner, in order to gain social status. And this goes well beyond getting creative with job titles "he works in asset exchange for an oil company" - part time graveyard shift at a petrol station.
The social 'enhancements' will be based upon where she is operating. So from your perception it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
I've been out with women who are into 'peacocking' the whole badboy boyfriend trope and the shit that would come out of their mouths in public Vs at home was night and day.
Literally say the same shit to her in public and home and it's "ok baby, I'm sorry I didn't do it good enough for you, I'll make sure I get it right next time (sultry sexy vibes)" in public...and "Don't fucking talk to me like that" at home.
It's usually only very high status women (hot, dynamic etc) that pull this shit because it only boosts status if she herself is already high / very high status.
If he's a dick and fatty thunder thighs sticks around, she's desperate.
But if she clearly isn't desperate because she's the hottest piece of crumpet in the bar, then his status must be really high...
And there is the core...women are perceived to have settled if they pick a man of lower status, so when they are high and very high status they pull shit to inflate and enhance the status of their men.
"Also remember humans are not chimpanzees. The human dynamic is the polar opposite."
No it isn't, it's identical. Let me guess, you're a christcuck who refuses to believe in evolution. Too bad, the similarities are indisputable. Right now all men do is groom females to gain leadership or wealth over the nation. As soon as we released controls over society, this chimp norm of having to groom the females returned straight away. Whenever any man attacks whatever the dominant social viewpoint is and tries to overturn it, it is the pack of females who attack him and defend the status quo.
The rest of your reply is equally as retarded, you're just sperging nonsense trying to sound like you know what you're talking about when you don't have the slightest clue.
The fact that you think we live with the same social dynamics as chimpanzees might explain why your having problems getting a good woman. (Or any woman?)
I've been put out to pasture (though occasionally still ego-pull to make sure I've still got it) but without any degree of hyperbole, I was the guy men wanted to be, and women wanted to be with.
To put it bluntly - everything you replied just there is utter bollox.
Stop concerning yourself with beta-orbiter nonsense and energy. The only men women as a social group have standing over in matters of state or importance are simps and losers. (Which is why ((they)) work so hard to create as many as they can)
I'm not going to get too theoretical on you, as you seem to be somewhat blackpilled on the subject and it's unlikely to be much use.
I will however, briefly demonstrate how chimps and humans have opposite social structures. (I don't know why you're bringing evolution into the conversation like it's some kind of edge lord thing to say, and if you are interested in my faith, feel free to study the works of Hermes Trismagistus)
In Chimps, the male monkey must go up the pecking order of females, first he grooms the lowest female, then the next, then the next etc. Until finally he grooms the alpha female chimp.
In humans it's the opposite. You can go down the pecking order, but never up.
Once you have accepted the lowest tier female - you have demonstrated your status - women of a higher status will not be interested in you, those with a slightly higher status might give you a chance if you have a high roll in a relevant stat (looks, charisma, money etc) However, if that low status female rejects you (for whatever reason), you're fucked.
Now for some practical advice:
1. Ignore/ forget anything you've read on mgtow / redpill / pick-up pages, 99% of what they advise is pure fucking garbage and the 1% they get right is on account that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
2. There isn't a woman in the world you can't laugh into bed - figure out how to make people laugh and be witty.
3. Go top down - not bottom up. Hit on the hottest woman / women in the place first - plain James get hit on too much anyway and will probably be more guarded.
4. Understand social proof. Use to your advantage. Approach a group of the most or upper tier attractive women and have the only goal to talk to them and make them laugh. To make this easy, just disarm yourself off the bat. I usually just go with. "Don't worry, I'm not trying to get into your nickers, though I'm sure they're lovely, because [reason], I just want to talk to you because [reason]"
Now just be chatting to them for a while and make sure they are laughing and smiling. This signals to all the other women in the place that they approve of you (you now have social proof) - extricate yourself from the conversation with good energy and you are all set. You will find the other women suddenly receptive to your advances - this is often compounded by then smiling at you as your talking to another girl and they walk past.
5. Keep it light and airy. No politics (even if she starts on it), no heavy subjects or anything that's a thing to worry about, so that includes no racism because that's a worry and a negative.
6. If relevant/possible move location with the girl/girls. By entering a new place together you create a new dynamic.
And for fucks sake get that retarded monkey shit out of your head, or are you planning to start a family (or just have fun) with a gibbon?
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 20:46:30 ago (+1/-0)
This is the best answer in the thread so far.
Point of fact, women are attracted to masculinity. Often, the shadow forms of masculine behavior present more noticeably (certainly more flamboyantly) than healthy manifestations.
The inexperienced female is easily guiled. Those with "daddy issues", even more so.
Because as long as she doesn't get what she wants, she's interested in what she has to do. You're basically giving her a job, which is to please you. If you treat her nice, then she has nothing to do in order to please you, you're depriving her of her role, which is to please you, because you're so overwhelmed with being pleased that you took her job.
...it's the way of nature, respect is borne of fear...nobody will love anyone for whom they refuse to respect...the "Stockholm Syndrome" being a prime example...
I'd imagine lesser responsibility plays a role. Women hate being responsible and accountable for things, witness the endless excuses. With an asshole there's little they have to live up to or can influence. They can let him call the shots and they are blameless.
[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 6 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 20:15:54 ago (+6/-0)
So when you're a dick she thinks she's getting a sweet deal. When you're nice she wonders if she's "settling"
@Gowithit this answers your question too.
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 20:52:20 ago (+0/-0)
Btw ..tried the tallow thing again and just beautiful... I think it was just a lot the first time I tried it because I didnt know what I was doing. Thanks for the
competitioninspiration.[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 21:53:55 ago (+0/-0)
Tallow is the best. I need to make some more I just used up the last of mine today.
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 4 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 19:08:41 ago (+4/-0)
For example see @Big_Fat_Dangus and @PostWallHelena
[ + ] big_fat_dangus
[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 19:10:37 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 4 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 19:11:45 ago (+4/-0)
Kids these days
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast 3 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 19:32:05 ago (+3/-0)
It is however important to hold some traits that can be pushed by being an asshole also.
These are, in no particular order.
Being resolute - your mind is not changed, including by her emotional behaviour.
Good version: you are segacious and use logic to come to conclusions - this once a conclusion is made it is the correct one
Bad version: you're just putting your ego first
Other women find you attractive - the fairer sex are social creatures after all
Good version: you show positive male traits and are in shape
Bad version: your a 'player'
Etc etc
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 22:00:14 ago (+2/-0)
would a woman of the past? definitely not so much. so while i'd like to say it's just women reflecting their own wicked nature onto a man and finding a connection, it's mostly just them emulating modern media. most of the time the 'treating them bad' part comes as part of a response to the woman purposely creating drama to again emulate what modern media produces.
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 00:24:00 ago (+0/-0)
Degenerate = probably good / assertive in bed
These kinds of traits will seem shiny, but are like gold plated jewlery - it's all fun and games till the chips are down and you gotta hauck it at the pawn shop, then you learn it's worthless - and women work this out with these types of guys and soon ditch them.
As for what you said about 'goes with her flow' you are right, but this too is fools gold.
It's an oxymoronic trait that women think they want, but it's actually unattractive (sometimes even on a subconscious level) - over time this attitude from the male will result in the woman loosing interest and walking out or cheating repeatedly.
A degree of synergy is required, and both will to some extent move towards the other. For long term success you need to have things you each do / are interested in alone, and stuff you do together.
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 00:41:28 ago (+1/-0)
women conform to norms and pressure men to do likewise. female chimps do this too (they attack any male who attacks the dominant male, and any challenger must groom the pack of females first and gradually win them over, and only then can he have the privilege of the challenge, and if he starts proving superior then the pack of females will quickly side with him) when she creates drama and the normal guy 'puts his foot down' and doesn't play ball, she finds that boring. sure, she prefers that to a normal guy who doesn't even do that and just submits, but moreso she prefers the degenerate who plays the game with her, argues, calls her a bitch, comes back with flowers. he is behaving like men should behave, according to how she's been taught through media.
the only reason women 'mature' and accept the normal guy is because of pressure from other social influences which she then conforms to, and because she has to.
women are very primitive. they prefer primitive dominance to modern dominance. a violent criminal showcases his dominance more than a soldier. it doesn't matter if the soldier is firmer in his opinions, would win in a fight (unless she literally sees such fight take place). a degenerate showcases dominance more than a normal person simply through loudness. it doesn't matter if he isn't actually dominant, he is showcasing dominant traits whereas a normal man isn't, and so she likes that. the more primitive a man's behaviours, the more likely it is in a language the female can understand and respond to. modern male behaviours are totally alien to women, they can't understand them and feel nothing towards them.
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast -1 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 01:47:36 ago (+0/-1)
Makes the very valid point that it's the inexperienced (and I would add stupid) females that fall for these hollow / shadow male traits.
Also remember humans are not chimpanzees. The human dynamic is the polar opposite.
The human male does not 'groom' the females in order to be accepted as potential alpha, the human male must get 'groomed' by the females in order to become the alpha chimp.
This is often referred to as 'social proof' - Also be VERY careful about making conclusions about what goes on behind closed doors, based upon public appearance. A lot of the time women in a relationship will dial up certain factors in order to massage more social proof and status for themselves.
Once in a relationship, women will often attempt to "enhance" the perception of their partner, in order to gain social status. And this goes well beyond getting creative with job titles "he works in asset exchange for an oil company" - part time graveyard shift at a petrol station.
The social 'enhancements' will be based upon where she is operating. So from your perception it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
I've been out with women who are into 'peacocking' the whole badboy boyfriend trope and the shit that would come out of their mouths in public Vs at home was night and day.
Literally say the same shit to her in public and home and it's "ok baby, I'm sorry I didn't do it good enough for you, I'll make sure I get it right next time (sultry sexy vibes)" in public...and "Don't fucking talk to me like that" at home.
It's usually only very high status women (hot, dynamic etc) that pull this shit because it only boosts status if she herself is already high / very high status.
If he's a dick and fatty thunder thighs sticks around, she's desperate.
But if she clearly isn't desperate because she's the hottest piece of crumpet in the bar, then his status must be really high...
And there is the core...women are perceived to have settled if they pick a man of lower status, so when they are high and very high status they pull shit to inflate and enhance the status of their men.
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 03:31:13 ago (+0/-0)
No it isn't, it's identical. Let me guess, you're a christcuck who refuses to believe in evolution. Too bad, the similarities are indisputable. Right now all men do is groom females to gain leadership or wealth over the nation. As soon as we released controls over society, this chimp norm of having to groom the females returned straight away. Whenever any man attacks whatever the dominant social viewpoint is and tries to overturn it, it is the pack of females who attack him and defend the status quo.
The rest of your reply is equally as retarded, you're just sperging nonsense trying to sound like you know what you're talking about when you don't have the slightest clue.
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast -1 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 04:43:47 ago (+0/-1)
I've been put out to pasture (though occasionally still ego-pull to make sure I've still got it) but without any degree of hyperbole, I was the guy men wanted to be, and women wanted to be with.
To put it bluntly - everything you replied just there is utter bollox.
Stop concerning yourself with beta-orbiter nonsense and energy. The only men women as a social group have standing over in matters of state or importance are simps and losers. (Which is why ((they)) work so hard to create as many as they can)
I'm not going to get too theoretical on you, as you seem to be somewhat blackpilled on the subject and it's unlikely to be much use.
I will however, briefly demonstrate how chimps and humans have opposite social structures. (I don't know why you're bringing evolution into the conversation like it's some kind of edge lord thing to say, and if you are interested in my faith, feel free to study the works of Hermes Trismagistus)
In Chimps, the male monkey must go up the pecking order of females, first he grooms the lowest female, then the next, then the next etc. Until finally he grooms the alpha female chimp.
In humans it's the opposite. You can go down the pecking order, but never up.
Once you have accepted the lowest tier female - you have demonstrated your status - women of a higher status will not be interested in you, those with a slightly higher status might give you a chance if you have a high roll in a relevant stat (looks, charisma, money etc)
However, if that low status female rejects you (for whatever reason), you're fucked.
Now for some practical advice:
1. Ignore/ forget anything you've read on mgtow / redpill / pick-up pages, 99% of what they advise is pure fucking garbage and the 1% they get right is on account that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
2. There isn't a woman in the world you can't laugh into bed - figure out how to make people laugh and be witty.
3. Go top down - not bottom up. Hit on the hottest woman / women in the place first - plain James get hit on too much anyway and will probably be more guarded.
4. Understand social proof. Use to your advantage. Approach a group of the most or upper tier attractive women and have the only goal to talk to them and make them laugh. To make this easy, just disarm yourself off the bat. I usually just go with.
"Don't worry, I'm not trying to get into your nickers, though I'm sure they're lovely, because [reason], I just want to talk to you because [reason]"
Now just be chatting to them for a while and make sure they are laughing and smiling. This signals to all the other women in the place that they approve of you (you now have social proof) - extricate yourself from the conversation with good energy and you are all set.
You will find the other women suddenly receptive to your advances - this is often compounded by then smiling at you as your talking to another girl and they walk past.
5. Keep it light and airy.
No politics (even if she starts on it), no heavy subjects or anything that's a thing to worry about, so that includes no racism because that's a worry and a negative.
6. If relevant/possible move location with the girl/girls. By entering a new place together you create a new dynamic.
And for fucks sake get that retarded monkey shit out of your head, or are you planning to start a family (or just have fun) with a gibbon?
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 04:48:55 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast -1 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 05:47:14 ago (+0/-1)
Nose snort & twat reply yourself out of the gene pool!
I've got 5 kids, a hot successful wife and more memories of shagging stunning women than I know what to do with.
The finer differences between a dancers body and a gymnasts body are known to me.
Models? Yup, popstar girlfriend? Done that. Hottest one at work? Regularly. Etc etc.
But you do you wizard 👌
Don't let me stop you from getting your dating advice from David Attenborough
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 20:46:30 ago (+1/-0)
Point of fact, women are attracted to masculinity. Often, the shadow forms of masculine behavior present more noticeably (certainly more flamboyantly) than healthy manifestations.
The inexperienced female is easily guiled. Those with "daddy issues", even more so.
[ + ] Jinglebanger
[ - ] Jinglebanger 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 19:44:35 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 20:39:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] usedoilanalysis
[ - ] usedoilanalysis 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 21:02:44 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] ruck_feddit
[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 23:21:29 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 23:39:47 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 18:26:52 ago (+0/-0)
Why is it when you treat a man nice it turns to shit but when you treat them bad they can't seem to leave you?
[ + ] IfuckedYerMum
[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 18:51:19 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] FuckShitJesus
[ - ] FuckShitJesus 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 18:39:08 ago (+0/-0)
If you have ups and downs, it's exciting.
Next life reality question I can answer for the poor low IQ talk.lol audience?
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 21:00:36 ago (+0/-0)*
https://youtu.be/oKm21NMcUbU
Also this
https://files.catbox.moe/eb8o83.mp4
[ + ] Zyklonbeekeeper
[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 21:30:35 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] jigganiggaboo
[ - ] jigganiggaboo 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 21:35:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 26, 2023 23:16:30 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 11:22:47 ago (+0/-0)
Alpha males don't coddle them.
So when they get abused they subconsciously desire closer association because it's an alpha trigger.
When they get coddled they subconsciously know it a lower tier male and start looking.
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 27, 2023 22:39:24 ago (+0/-0)*
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 28, 2023 01:02:33 ago (+0/-0)
God their stories are fucking boring think back to your life have you ever met a woman who is not a victim and or was intersting?