Another thread, a user was discussing how hard it is to go off radar. And I want to talk about that for a moment.
An idea I've had: Private Intelligence Networks.
We're overwhelmed by bust-up operations like J6, frame jobs, feds manufacturing terrorism (and completely legitimizing the entire federal regime in the process, thanks feds!)
No one these days can organize (easily) from the ground up, even for peaceful and lawful ends like this. We have so many problems in the west, but especially in america, none of which can be addressed effectively, because massive spy operations, 24/7 propaganda labeling any and all dissidents as terrorists are used to effectively and completely shut down any attempts to exercise our right to organize. This cuts across the aisle. The right to organize hase effectively been killed by the fbi.
I think it is time to discuss changing that.
The populists and nationalists, patriots in general, should be running our own private intelligence networks.
Heres why
1. it's not illegal
2. economies of scale
3. provides some shielding and cover from lawfare
4. acts as a nucleation hub for many other organizations.
5. the payoff is compounding
Number one is good, because it effectively makes it much harder for the regime to use the (comparatively) unlimited physical force it has access to without creating liabilities, which you can capitalize on to fund your very organization.
Number two is great, because suddenly buying used phones, sim cards, burners, setting up safehouses for whistleblowers, legal firms for springing dissidents through the courts, all of that is cheaper when you have a reputation and an organized, disciplined crew that has logistics flows properly prepared.
Number three, this one is obvious. Mission statements, letters-of-intent for events, in-house lawyers, a recognizable name that people can become familiar with, all of that goes a long way to protecting your people.
Number four is just the natural follow through of all the others. Want to start a whistleblower organization? Lot harder for the regime's spies to use network analysis if all your people who get in on the ground-floor have intelligence training and burners from day one instead of the bumbling-in-the-dark-leaving-a-digital-trail that so many people do when they are first becoming acquinted and experienced in intel before getting involved in the broader community.
This is just one example.
Number five is basically a follow-on from number four, but each organization basically covers the other, like armor plating, helping to insulate, diffuse, anonymize, train, and boostrap each subsidiary. A cycle of virtue that is so beneficial, the idea of a private intelligence network would be worth it purely on this basis alone.
If you want freedom, organize.
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 20:11:02 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] oldvoat
[ - ] oldvoat 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 13:22:19 ago (+1/-0)*
One thing to point out is the state really doesn't like when we do this, as we are much more competent, and one of the main reasons that Harvey WineSwine was put in prison.
@prototype
The numbered statements you made are a good start, though there are many flaws and I would like to point some of them out in an attempt to strengthen your plan, I'm not here to degrade your thoughtful posts.
There is issues with the logistics security, such as any supplies like computers sent to the safe houses, as those would eventually be identified, or to the public organizations in the group in publicly announced structures, relating to where the lawyers would be.
Supplies would be intercepted and compromised, either in the manufacturing stage, if custom, or in-route to the safe houses. If they are communication devices they can be exploited after buying, as well. Buying used as you stated is the best idea, but one also needs to vet the source of the used devices as those are routinely sold by agency fronts, as well. The organization would also need intel training as you said, and also a specialist that can check the devices for compromise on a routine basis. Using any comms devices, especially cell phones and wireless devices, are susceptible to compromise over the air (such as GSM, Wifi, and emissions) and the majority of people would never notice. The logistic chain is hard to secure, bottom line. There is more but I'm confident you get the idea as to where I'm going with this.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 13:26:32 ago (+0/-0)
in a struggle against an occupation, you don't get the affordance of your enemies being happy and complacent..
how does this have anything do with what we're talking about here? explain.
[ + ] oldvoat
[ - ] oldvoat 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 14:05:02 ago (+0/-0)
Yes, of course, I'm merely pointing out how much the state hate when White's organize these type of agencies. Which leads to the next point:
Weinstein did what you are suggesting and they took serious offense to this, so it is one of the main reason the gov put him in prison.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 14:17:14 ago (+0/-0)
Has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
I've never seen an ounce of information even hinting at this, and because of that it makes me question why you would suggest it. It looks like well-poisoning to me.
[ + ] oldvoat
[ - ] oldvoat 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 18:28:06 ago (+0/-0)
I did a quick search and most of the material that was out there at the time, such as the discussions, appears to have been scrubbed. https://www.alternet.org/2017/11/harvey-weinstein-israeli-mossad-sex-abuse talks about how he used the private intel agency Blackcube to do his bidding. This is only the tip of the iceberg for this subject and I implore you to do more research on the topic before accusing me of putting false info here or derailing the conversations.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 16:07:55 ago (+0/-0)
These are all things to consider yes, it shows that you're thinking.
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 21:55:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] oldvoat
[ - ] oldvoat 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 14:08:36 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 20:34:47 ago (+0/-0)
Basically someone else has already created this idea and shilled it to the extremes to absolutely 0 effect.
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 17:07:08 ago (+2/-2)
[ + ] PeckerwoodPerry
[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 19:03:17 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] oldvoat
[ - ] oldvoat 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 13:24:09 ago (+1/-0)
No one needs to implement violence at these early stages.
These type of posts are an attempt to derail discussion.
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne -1 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 20:28:20 ago (+0/-1)*
Secrets are for faggots. Everyone can clearly see what is going on.
It's a shitpost idea that deserves a shitpost response