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Western regime intelligence attempting to start infighting among russian forces? Any confirmation of this other than IntelSlavaZ which is just a ukraine/cia cutout?

submitted by prototype to AskUpgoat 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 20:12:28 ago (+8/-0)     (AskUpgoat)



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[ - ] Rob3122 4 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 20:22:01 ago (+4/-0)

The whole thing sounds ridiculous. Russia suddenly attacks the Wagner mercs. Wagner mercs then decide they want to fight Russia...

All after destroying Ukraine's most recent counter offensive.

[ - ] Kozel 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 20:40:06 ago (+2/-0)*

I'm not caught up on the situation but time ago in Damascus russia ceased antiair defemnse per US' request so that they could bomb wagner to "teach them a lesson"

[ - ] oldvoat 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:02:48 ago (+1/-0)

That's interesting. Could you link to a source for that, please?

[ - ] GloryBeckons 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:28:00 ago (+2/-0)

I believe this is the incident in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham#Incident_and_casualties

Also for @prototype

In short, a heavily armed Wagner force with multiple vehicles was approaching a position held by US forces, as part of an organized attack with Syrian forces. US command reached out to Russia, asking if these were theirs and advising to turn back immediately if so. Russia claimed to have no knowledge and that they weren't Russians. So US proceeded to blow them to kingdom come.

[ - ] oldvoat 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 25, 2023 02:26:45 ago (+0/-0)

Ah, I know of that exact incident after you clarified. Yes, it was real.

Thanks for posting the link for everyone.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:23:58 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not caught up on the situation but time ago in Damascus russia ceased antiair defemnse per US' request so that they could bomb wagner

That's interesting. Could you link to a source for that, please?

would like to see that too.

[ - ] Kozel 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:53:01 ago (+0/-0)

I learned of this in the video of or in a commentary video surrounding the event of Wagners interrogating a Russian military official after he had ordered his division to fire on Wagner.

It might be this? https://t.me/orchestra_w/7138

[ - ] Kozel 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:38:57 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] chrimony 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:10:34 ago (+2/-0)

Yes, yes, I'm sure it's all a psyop. No way that psycho in charge of Wagner is going off the rails.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:46:39 ago (+0/-0)

I think he's trying to get more money from putin

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:49:23 ago (+0/-0)

This is way beyond money.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:52:20 ago (+1/-0)

Everything is about money. These guys don't give a shit about anything else but money, power, and status.

[ - ] chrimony 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:53:59 ago (+0/-0)

You said it yourself. Power and status. Money only gets you so far.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:58:15 ago (+0/-0)

He wasn't shy about his belief that the military was holding out supplies despite his men's success on the battlefield. Perhaps he feels snubbed in some way

[ - ] PhantomXLII 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:28:23 ago (+1/-0)

Wagner and the Russian MOD have been having a very bad back and forth ever since the middle of the Bakhmut campaign. Eventually Putin called in Prigozhin (Wagner CEO) and the head of the MOD to personally speak to them, probably telling them to chill the fucking fuck out or both of them are going to find a very high window to fall out of.

Lately though, Prigozhin has been making more disparaging comments about the MOD and how Wagner basically carried the Russian Army in the area, which they admittedly did.

Now, are we helping fan the flames? Sure. But this looks like "power posturing" by Prigozhin and genuine disgust with the MOD.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:32:19 ago (+0/-0)*

Lately though, Prigozhin has been making more disparaging comments about the MOD and how Wagner basically carried the Russian Army in the area, which they admittedly did.
Now, are we helping fan the flames? Sure. But this looks like "power posturing" by Prigozhin and genuine disgust with the MOD.

What it looks like is Prgozhin having a holyshit moment as he realizes or comes to the believe at least, that hes been carrying the whole thing, and with one swift reversal of loyalty, he thinks he can assist foreign powers (or use the external pressure, along with a timed blow) to install himself, or a puppet as head of russia.

Thats assuming any of this true, which is doubtful.

The other model is that this is strategic infighting to bait NATO while russia appears weak, so russia can finish the job in ukraine before things turn into a longer, more drawn out mess.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 20:28:18 ago (+1/-0)

Who knows? Scary stuff.

[ - ] HeyJames 2 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:52:54 ago (+2/-0)

I predict about 85% certainty of nothing happening

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:21:03 ago (+0/-0)

I predict about 85% certainty of nothing happening

Fucking same. At first I thought you were just an asshole. it turned out you were just more cynical than I am.

[ - ] HeyJames 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:22:40 ago (+0/-0)

I don't enjoy being correct that we are in a slow boil in which every "event" is planned to slowly whittle away our rights and living standard.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 22:29:07 ago (+0/-0)

I don't enjoy being correct that we are in a slow boil in which every "event" is planned to slowly whittle away our rights and living standard.

A lot of things make way more sense if you assume gorbachev ceded to the west, for the same reason the u.s. aided them against germany--for the same reason the u.s. felt comfortable exporting 90% of our heavy industry, including military production to china--for the same reason the u.s. helped mao take over china--for the same reason america is what it is to today, along with most of the other major nations--for the same reason the soviet union suddenly collapsed and closed up shop instead of turning into a shitshow like most empires have done in the past:

The u.s, russia, and china have unofficially been running as one semi-unified government behind the scenes, heavily coordinating our militaries, industries, and all tied together by strongly cooperating intelligence apparatchiks, effectively bypassing national sovereignty behind the scenes for decades.

And now its all falling apart, because alliances aren't permanent, but interests are.

[ - ] AngryWhiteKeyboardWarrior 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:27:43 ago (+0/-0)

Head of Wagner is a jew. Never trust a jew.

[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:41:05 ago (+0/-0)

Head of Wagner is a jew. Never trust a jew.

Generally I believe nothing I can't confirm.

Who benefits from people believing this? What details or extrapolations change if this is true? and if it isn't?

[ - ] beece 0 points 2.0 yearsJun 23, 2023 21:14:55 ago (+0/-0)*

LINK? Below is what I have. Interesting that this occurred right after US special forces were filmed in Ukraine actively fighting russians and the truth about the Biden's being criminals were released.
US troops fighting russians - https://www.talk.lol/viewpost?postid=6494fcf811118
Wag the dog - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW8uPteivxI

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/krisi-sti-rosia-amerikanoi-axiomatouchoi-o-prigkozin-epicheirei-praxikopima-thelei-nekro-ton-soigkou-poio-einai-to-kako-senario-gia-oukrania-ipa/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Well, if we're going to be at war, guess we all need to rally around hunter and joe biden and not prosecute them now for being the fucking grifting criminals that they are. Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor. Wag the dog.