My primary concern is not price, but quality (I don't want meals going bad or tasting off). Morale is important and the reliability of supply is important.
Anyone have a good source or pros and cons of providers, I'd be grateful. Lot of advertisers, either using the same suppliers, or fly-by-night operations. Too many to sort through if you're not familiar already.
edit: I am however interested in bulk discounts, especially in the range of say 1 years supplies (@3500 calories a day per person), for say 15-20 people. If you know of providers that specialize in bulk I'd appreciate any leads.
MREs only last 3 to 5 years and are a complete waste of money.
1. Get freeze dried foods - they last up to 25 years. 2. Make your own drink and accessory packs. You can even get the "add water to heat" heaters. 3. Vacuum seal that shit in thick bags like MREs, use an impulse sealer if you need to. You probably want gusseted bags.
If you're interested and money really isn't much of a problem, you can buy your own freeze dryer. They start around $2000. The kits will even come with trays, liners, impulse sealer, bags, and you can get O2 absorbers for cheap. You can get mylar bag rolls designed to work with FoodSavers.
I looked into making my own and I even started but it's just more time than I have right now. Basically, take a look at existing MREs menus, see what they have in them. Take a look at the accessory packs and include things like hand wipes, toilet paper if you like, matches, coffee, condiments, and so on. You can get the heater packs off amazon if you use it but they can be flaky so read the reviews and use sites like fakespot and reviewmeta to see what the real rating is for them.
If you're really clever, an average military metal ammo box (those green ones with the flip tops) can hold a week's worth of food and if you find them in good condition they'll still have the rubber seals.
And after you're done with all of that, you'll still have the freeze dryer and vacuum sealer so that's a win.
Oh, and if you do go the "Imma make it myself with blackjack and hookers" route, be sure to try freeze drying raw cookie dough and cooked onion rings. Those are the best (but you can also freeze dry mini marshmallows for drinks and cereal). And, heck, get you some of those frozen hashbrown patties. You can get a box of like 30 for cheap. Just line them up in the pan and throw in the dryer.
Hot sauce, Tabasco in particular, is an excellent moral booster for foodstuffs. Chocolates, oatmeal, farina, lentils, rice, and lots of other things are damned-near ready for just putting into sealed storage containers and will last a looong time.
Also, if you MUST have MREs, get the entrees and not the whole thing.
As far as moral goes, drink mixes (power packets) and certain candies/gum. The drink mixes double as electrolytes/vitamins which you may be lacking if you need to tap into your emergency food.
I would go the freeze dried route like others have said. It might be wise to stock up on MRE heaters though. They could come in handy.
The thing about prepping is that it makes you immobile. You are going to tend to want to stay with your hoard instead of bag ass when it’s time to run. Learning how to live off the land makes it possible to skip town at the drop of a hat with little more than a bug out bag.
Just out curiosity. In what scenario do you see bugging out actually working? If we are nuked the entire country will be uninhabitable. I'm not being a smart ass. I'm just wondering.
All that money you wasted on prepping wouldn’t do any good either in that scenario. We won’t get nuked because nukes aren’t real. You need to be able to be mobile for the white vs nigger race war the kikes are trying to pop off. Spend money on a few old army survival field manuals and a decent amount of guns and ammo. Also knives and shit that they use in that field manual.
For example, I have a shitload of cotton balls and Vaseline. Coat cotton balls with Vaseline and they make long burning fire starters. Use and altoids box and cut up old tshirts to make charcloth and you now add to your fire starting abilities. Never build a fire without making charcloth until you have more of that shit than you can deal with. You’ll be good for a while. Use MRE heaters when you can’t make fires because a nigger will spot the fire and come at you.
You don't say what you are doing with these "MRES" Prototype. Totes and Master_foo speak well on this. MRE's are short life. Mountain House Freeze dryed lasts a long time (30 year life or more and is very tasty, but costly -it's what I like best -your results may vary of course:-)_. Try before you buy is good advice. I have eaten everything I have stocked except for a single item which my son said he prefers. (Mountain House Lasanya). Supplement some of that commercial freeze dryed food with bulk rice, bulk lentils, bulk oats, etc in the 5 gallon food grade buckets with well sealed mylar bags and dehydrator things inside and you can get where I think you are wanting to go. Yesterday, I pulled the 2nd sealed back of red lentils and made dinner with them. As I tossed the empty bag, I NOTED THAT i'D MARKED IT 2020. still have a nearly full 5 gallo bucket left of lentils! The mormons have that dialed in, and they sell the stuff as well. Around here (via mormons) you need to pre-order, so I've never bought from them, but they really do have it dialed in. The LDS survival book is near a bible. https://survivedoomsday.com/why-the-latter-day-saints-are-known-for-prepping/
However, if you are simply trying to avoid starvation, there is a better way to work a bqackup into your plans. I've put it up many times, and don't want to do it again and again. If (((they))) kick your door in, take all of your 'MRE/preps" whatever that was -lets say all of your food, and the holodomore #2 occurs, what could you have done to prep and help make those 12-15 people survive?
There is something. There is a way. Figure it out and start with that. Research what they did in the holodomore and that's your first clue. I preached it for years and I thought that I was all but ignored. But I wasn't. At least one person in this area started up and is rolling hard. I recognize it, but no one else does. One thing they did, and it shocks, surprises and pleases me, is they planted Camas right in the middle of the local park. Shitloads of it. After a few years of watching the city park maintenance staff were mowing the flowers off (so they are still getting bulb division and increase of plants, but the seeds are not germinating. 2 years ago, they went to the city and said :THERE ARE NATIVE ENDANGERED PLANTS RIGHT THERE XXX, STOP DESTROYING THEM. And the city did. The grass gets near ass deep in that small area and the Camas is proliferating. Only a few hardy souls know that is a food source. Start there with that idea, but it's a lot more than that. Do the research. Assume a multilayered approach.
So, from my view (I grew up way below the official poverty level and never wanted for anything- although free asparagus which we picked back then by the roadside for free still makes me sick) you need to do 3 main things.
1st) Knowledge is power. Learn what native food resources are near you. Purcell in the sidewalk cracks, or nettles and cattails in the bogs. At least learn some skills that relate to technical things. You may never learn who is destroying your way life, your country and impoverishing you, but you CAN learn to plumb, do simple electronics, mechanics etc. Etc. My great grandfather told me once that they lived off of grass for a year until they could move. I was in disbelief to that until not long back I read a story that some grasses are edible. Why does about everyone plant grass that is non-edible? They do, don't be like them. Knowledge is power, and there is one more thing to consider. Edible grass.
2nd) - Do what you are doing now. Plan it out: stock (food, ammo, booze) deep and cheap.
3rd) Plant edible plants both in your personal space, AND in shared spaces like parks and greenspaces. Most folks will starve and never know what that shit is.
You don't say what you are doing with these "MRES" Prototype.
Obviously people will be eating them. Plenty of dried rice and canned goods, just want to expand to a longer term, better alternative than that tasteless tinned crap.
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:04:57 ago (+1/-0)
I did this exercise a few months back and landed on a little of everything. There is too much noise. Some is good, some is not. It is pretty hard to tell.
Got some of - the wise food 25 year boxes - the "survival tablets" (All the daily vitamins and shit but without fat as you provide your own.. great way to diet). - a few cases of the 72 hour bug out bars. - Auguson farms had a sale on some entree buckets so I got a few.
After that, I got 100 lbs of organic dried beans and vac sealed them in jars. I like sun organic for their beans.
Extra box of salt Instant coffee - vac sealed. Green tea - I drink coffee but tea will do if wwIII.
Multi vitamins are super cheap. Maybe 5 bucks for 100? I don't know shelf life but I keep a good supply. Vit d, c, zinc, magnesium are good staples. Fenugreek boosts t which you may want a supply of because... if 15-20 people are getting 3500 cals a day... that is enough for 15-20 males, working real hard... sounds like you are prepping for a unit.
MREs are a waste of money for what you get. They are just "canned food". So, buy "canned food".
If you know someone in the Army/National Guard. He'll probably get MREs from time to time. He probably doesn't eat them all. He probably has a bunch lying in his closet. Offer him $10 for a few.
This will last almost forever if denied oxygen/heat/light: Buy lots of canned tomato/pasta sauce. Buy in bulk: rice, beans, lentils, corn, flour, pasta, oats, salt, sugar, dried herbs/spices. Freeze Dry: Jerky Frozen Vegetables Fruits Vacuum seal them in mylar bags with oxygen absorber packets. Store in 5 gallon buckets in cool/dark place.
Vacuum seal some tea and Nestle quick mix too.
Tractor Supply has "food grade" buckets. But, if they are vacuum sealed, a Homeless Despot bucket should be fine. They come from the same factory, I doubt they use different plastics for different buckets.
[ - ] Rowdybme 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:44:00 ago (+1/-0)
I got some freeze dried stuff from a company called 4patriots. Along with water filters. They claim they last up to 25 years. I tried some beef stroganoff from it the other night. 4patriots.com
[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:59:20 ago (+1/-0)
Before you invest have you tried mres? Or tried "living off of them" for at least a week? There's pantry basics that can dress them up there are websites with recipes for them but you should try some if you haven't before so you have an idea of what else to stock.
Yeah that's who I bought from. Feeds 2? Lol they fed four people for us. I have only tried one of them. The stroganoff. I had to add beef though. I think it had some mushrooms in it instead of beef. My kids are picky eaters and they cleaned their plate.
I've had good success with Ozark Outdoors. I've communicated with Tom several times who is part owner. Good guy. The merchandise has been good quality. I ordered variety pack of 80 MREs and have tried a few. Taste is fine and it's not old product. Fast shipping and decent prices.
2 months in the Twenty-First Century combat. Two fucking months and not a single post relevant to survival conditions. They air dropped ammo and supplies for 64 days with A10 cover. That was 14yrs ago on tour Four. VOAT is not the place to learn real time shit,self fragging monkeys at best got all the long answers
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes 14 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:36:52 ago (+14/-0)
1. Get freeze dried foods - they last up to 25 years.
2. Make your own drink and accessory packs. You can even get the "add water to heat" heaters.
3. Vacuum seal that shit in thick bags like MREs, use an impulse sealer if you need to. You probably want gusseted bags.
Done
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 6 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:39:58 ago (+6/-0)
Thank you totes_magotes.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:24:59 ago (+2/-0)
If you're interested and money really isn't much of a problem, you can buy your own freeze dryer. They start around $2000. The kits will even come with trays, liners, impulse sealer, bags, and you can get O2 absorbers for cheap. You can get mylar bag rolls designed to work with FoodSavers.
I looked into making my own and I even started but it's just more time than I have right now. Basically, take a look at existing MREs menus, see what they have in them. Take a look at the accessory packs and include things like hand wipes, toilet paper if you like, matches, coffee, condiments, and so on. You can get the heater packs off amazon if you use it but they can be flaky so read the reviews and use sites like fakespot and reviewmeta to see what the real rating is for them.
If you're really clever, an average military metal ammo box (those green ones with the flip tops) can hold a week's worth of food and if you find them in good condition they'll still have the rubber seals.
And after you're done with all of that, you'll still have the freeze dryer and vacuum sealer so that's a win.
Oh, and if you do go the "Imma make it myself with blackjack and hookers" route, be sure to try freeze drying raw cookie dough and cooked onion rings. Those are the best (but you can also freeze dry mini marshmallows for drinks and cereal). And, heck, get you some of those frozen hashbrown patties. You can get a box of like 30 for cheap. Just line them up in the pan and throw in the dryer.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:51:58 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MayhemInChief
[ - ] MayhemInChief 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 21:31:45 ago (+2/-0)
As far as moral goes, drink mixes (power packets) and certain candies/gum. The drink mixes double as electrolytes/vitamins which you may be lacking if you need to tap into your emergency food.
Here's some of my preferences.
https://www.sqwincherindustrial.com
https://www.sqwincher.com
https://nuunlife.com/
https://www.propelwater.com/products/electrolyte-hydration
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 20, 2023 01:05:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:04:52 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] MasklessTheGreat
[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 5 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:21:25 ago (+5/-0)*
The thing about prepping is that it makes you immobile. You are going to tend to want to stay with your hoard instead of bag ass when it’s time to run. Learning how to live off the land makes it possible to skip town at the drop of a hat with little more than a bug out bag.
[ + ] beece
[ - ] beece 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 21:06:00 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Rowdybme
[ - ] Rowdybme 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:55:28 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] MasklessTheGreat
[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 20:05:38 ago (+2/-0)
For example, I have a shitload of cotton balls and Vaseline. Coat cotton balls with Vaseline and they make long burning fire starters. Use and altoids box and cut up old tshirts to make charcloth and you now add to your fire starting abilities. Never build a fire without making charcloth until you have more of that shit than you can deal with. You’ll be good for a while. Use MRE heaters when you can’t make fires because a nigger will spot the fire and come at you.
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 21:42:41 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:17:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] beece
[ - ] beece 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 20:51:10 ago (+3/-1)*
However, if you are simply trying to avoid starvation, there is a better way to work a bqackup into your plans. I've put it up many times, and don't want to do it again and again. If (((they))) kick your door in, take all of your 'MRE/preps" whatever that was -lets say all of your food, and the holodomore #2 occurs, what could you have done to prep and help make those 12-15 people survive?
There is something. There is a way. Figure it out and start with that. Research what they did in the holodomore and that's your first clue. I preached it for years and I thought that I was all but ignored. But I wasn't. At least one person in this area started up and is rolling hard. I recognize it, but no one else does. One thing they did, and it shocks, surprises and pleases me, is they planted Camas right in the middle of the local park. Shitloads of it. After a few years of watching the city park maintenance staff were mowing the flowers off (so they are still getting bulb division and increase of plants, but the seeds are not germinating. 2 years ago, they went to the city and said :THERE ARE NATIVE ENDANGERED PLANTS RIGHT THERE XXX, STOP DESTROYING THEM. And the city did. The grass gets near ass deep in that small area and the Camas is proliferating. Only a few hardy souls know that is a food source. Start there with that idea, but it's a lot more than that. Do the research. Assume a multilayered approach.
So, from my view (I grew up way below the official poverty level and never wanted for anything- although free asparagus which we picked back then by the roadside for free still makes me sick) you need to do 3 main things.
1st) Knowledge is power. Learn what native food resources are near you. Purcell in the sidewalk cracks, or nettles and cattails in the bogs. At least learn some skills that relate to technical things. You may never learn who is destroying your way life, your country and impoverishing you, but you CAN learn to plumb, do simple electronics, mechanics etc. Etc. My great grandfather told me once that they lived off of grass for a year until they could move. I was in disbelief to that until not long back I read a story that some grasses are edible. Why does about everyone plant grass that is non-edible? They do, don't be like them. Knowledge is power, and there is one more thing to consider. Edible grass.
2nd) - Do what you are doing now. Plan it out: stock (food, ammo, booze) deep and cheap.
3rd) Plant edible plants both in your personal space, AND in shared spaces like parks and greenspaces. Most folks will starve and never know what that shit is.
Good luck.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 20, 2023 20:43:05 ago (+0/-0)*
Obviously people will be eating them. Plenty of dried rice and canned goods, just want to expand to a longer term, better alternative than that tasteless tinned crap.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:03:48 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Jinglebanger
[ - ] Jinglebanger 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:59:59 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] MaryXmas
[ - ] MaryXmas 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:04:57 ago (+1/-0)
Got some of
- the wise food 25 year boxes
- the "survival tablets" (All the daily vitamins and shit but without fat as you provide your own.. great way to diet).
- a few cases of the 72 hour bug out bars.
- Auguson farms had a sale on some entree buckets so I got a few.
After that, I got 100 lbs of organic dried beans and vac sealed them in jars. I like sun organic for their beans.
Extra box of salt
Instant coffee - vac sealed.
Green tea - I drink coffee but tea will do if wwIII.
Multi vitamins are super cheap. Maybe 5 bucks for 100? I don't know shelf life but I keep a good supply. Vit d, c, zinc, magnesium are good staples. Fenugreek boosts t which you may want a supply of because... if 15-20 people are getting 3500 cals a day... that is enough for 15-20 males, working real hard... sounds like you are prepping for a unit.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:45:22 ago (+1/-0)
If you know someone in the Army/National Guard. He'll probably get MREs from time to time. He probably doesn't eat them all. He probably has a bunch lying in his closet.
Offer him $10 for a few.
This will last almost forever if denied oxygen/heat/light:
Buy lots of canned tomato/pasta sauce.
Buy in bulk:
rice,
beans,
lentils,
corn,
flour,
pasta,
oats,
salt,
sugar,
dried herbs/spices.
Freeze Dry:
Jerky
Frozen Vegetables
Fruits
Vacuum seal them in mylar bags with oxygen absorber packets.
Store in 5 gallon buckets in cool/dark place.
Vacuum seal some tea and Nestle quick mix too.
Tractor Supply has "food grade" buckets. But, if they are vacuum sealed, a Homeless Despot bucket should be fine.
They come from the same factory, I doubt they use different plastics for different buckets.
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:19:03 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Rowdybme
[ - ] Rowdybme 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:44:00 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:46:25 ago (+1/-0)
I get it it's for survival but it's still funny.
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:59:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] bosunmoon
[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:26:26 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:00:28 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] lord_nougat
[ - ] lord_nougat 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:03:07 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] bosunmoon
[ - ] bosunmoon 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 20:14:59 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:20:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 1 point 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 18:12:41 ago (+2/-1)
Portions are large and easily feed two.
You can buy cases of prefered foods on re-up and then build your own 30 day.
[ + ] Rowdybme
[ - ] Rowdybme 2 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:48:24 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -1 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 21:57:58 ago (+0/-1)
Home can and harvest seasonally.
Jug lining flatheads in the morning to put up some more fish fir hot weather coming
[ + ] letsgetit
[ - ] letsgetit 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 20, 2023 01:06:58 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.ozarkoutdoorz.com/
[ + ] PORTforceOne
[ - ] PORTforceOne 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 20, 2023 00:23:19 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey
[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:16:04 ago (+0/-0)
I have some of their stuff.
[ + ] FacelessOne
[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 19:21:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood -1 points 2.0 yearsMay 19, 2023 22:14:07 ago (+0/-1)
Two fucking months and not a single post relevant to survival conditions.
They air dropped ammo and supplies for 64 days with A10 cover.
That was 14yrs ago on tour Four.
VOAT is not the place to learn real time shit,self fragging monkeys at best got all the long answers