It was just 15k plus some fees and delivery. So, I had to buy it.
In the past few years, I've moved a lot of my assets into collectible automobiles. It actually makes financial sense to do so. I get a greater ROI with those than I'd ever get with stocks or bonds. The ROI is more in the 'high yeild' area as an average.
So long as you're reasonably aware of the market (and don't do anything stupid) a car you buy from a collectible auction will never be worth less than you paid for it. (This doesn't apply to something like a Honda Accord.) When you bought it at a public auction, you've set the initial value.
So, it works out well.
On top of that, I have stuff I've never even driven yet. They're all properly stored and professionally maintained. I've sold some of the pieces as a way to fund the logistics like storage and maintenance.
And, yeah, that's not a site you want to visit if you aren't a collector. LOL Otherwise you'll just be disappointed that you're not bidding.
However, I'm "done" now. No more major hauls with a bunch of cars from one auction. Now I'll just pick things that suit my collection or things I can sell at a great profit. At this point, I've spent a 'stupid amount' of money on vehicles.
It's addictive, as well... I tend to drive something different every week.
Oh, and I went on a Toyota FJ kick. I own all of them... LOL If there's a version, I probably own it - and there are a whole lot of versions.
There were a zillion variations. I don't have them all, of course. I'm quite likely one of the reasons for their auction value going up. They were fairly cheap to get, even fully restored, but now you're looking at at least 35k for a well-restored example, and quite likely more than that.
If you'd been there, you could have watched the auction with us. I shared it on Poal back in the day, sharing when I was bidding and what I intended to buy. It was good fun but I'm done with purchasing large numbers at once. I can no longer realistically store them. As it is, I can no longer maintain 'em on my own.
I'm not actually sure why the Cortina is valued as it is, but the good news is you can race 'em at Goodwood.
I dunno why some are valued as highly as they are. I mean, I can usually say why a car has value, but there are just some odd things out there that retain value. It is getting more reasonable now, but the older American SUVs and pickup trucks were selling at absurd values for a while. They were selling for more than a new luxury truck. It was retarded.
That's not a bad price, really, especially for what it is.
And, yeah, that's not a site you want to visit if you aren't a collector
Yeah, I had to force myself to close that site because I found a car I'm terrified of watching go to auction. I wouldn't be able to control myself and it would become my new daily driver. That 1980 Trans-Am, oh damn that's a beauty.
Besides, I got my dream car now. Well, the "new" dream car. That used to be a Viper. After waiting 3 months for a part for my daily driver I kind of got the idea that an older car as a daily isn't a good idea. So I started looking around, looked into Vipers and realized that not only are they seriously underpowered for what they are, they're also freaking rolling death traps with very little safety measures. So after a bit of research, I settled on a Dodge Challenger and bought a 2021 ScatPack Wide Body off the showroom floor. Red, manual transmission, speedometer tops at 180 and it will do every bit of it. Not gonna lie, I love it.
For a while I kept the mustang because I was gonna restore it to as close to new as possible but someone I knew let slip that that was her dream car (year, color, features, everything) and I got to thinking about what I would have felt like if I'd gotten my dream car at that age. So I sold it. I get to see it driving around every once in a while and while I miss it in my driveway I don't miss driving it.
But, yeah, once you get to the point where you can collect cars, it's a rough thing not to because you see another car that you'd love to drive or just have sitting in your garage and that itch just hits you.
In any case, I have another $10K or so that I have to spend money on. Upgrades for sound system, kitchen, electronics and so on. Life has been simultaneously shitty and fantastic at the same time.
The thing about the Viper (and others) is that you have to look at it in context - that is, you have to examine the era when it came out.
If I wanted to drive something stupidly fast all the time, I have exotics that will let me do that.
If I want to appreciate a Viper, complete with its cheesy plastic interior and shitty stereo, I do that. (And I value it for what it is and when it was.)
If I just wanted raw horsepower at a good price, the Challenger with the ScatPack is a good option. Of course, these days you can get the same power out of a Jeep.
I don't even want the radio changed. That irks me when prior owners did so - and they do that all the time. No! I want the exact radio it came with, no matter how crappy it was.
To me it's definitely not just about performance numbers, because it's not always performance numbers that I care about.
Fortunately, I still have plenty of room. I just don't have room for going and buying 60 cars in a single auction and having a dozen Pilot trucks lined up at the end of my driveway.
I've even bought some other silliness that you might appreciate for what it is:
Oh man, that looks like someone really wanted a serious setup. A good set of batteries for a 24V system aren't cheap though. I think I paid something like $170ish per battery for my truck.
I get what you mean about changing up a car. I thought several times about taking the radio out of the mustang and putting in a touchscreen kit but no matter how much I wanted a full featured console set up, I could never really bring myself to do it. All the same, I felt like the Viper, even the newer ones, could have done a better job at keeping up with modern tech and feature packages. Of course that's not what the Viper is for and the R/T ScatPack still has some SRT branding so it brought enough of the performance details to the table that that part of my mind shut up about it.
I got the challenger because, lol, it has good trunk space for the power it brought to the table. And the sexy curves. Otherwise I was looking at the newer camaros, mustangs, and whatnot. I was considering the full all-around feature set. I could have gone with a Durango - they have the same horsepower and it's an SUV but I don't need an SUV because I have the truck. So, car. I like a car that can get serious at highway speeds if it needs to. A lot of people overlook a good acceleration as a way to avoid collisions and while it's obviously not as common to use acceleration to avoid a collision, it's still important.
The only other vehicle I really want in my driveway is a older style Jeep Wrangler or similar. There's just something about it that I love. Might be because of the Dukes of Hazard or something but whatever, it's a nice toy.
During the summer, my 'daily driver' is still my M6 Competition.
It's only 600 HP but that's still amazing - and it's absurdly good at putting that power to the pavement.
You'll do 0 to 60 in about 3.6 seconds - while you have four doors. Yeah, it's got back seats that are usable and comfortable - but you'll still outperform some exotics.
Mine was optioned out with all the bells and whistles, including things like carbon-ceramic brakes. So, it brings it back down from 60 to 0 in like 95 feet. I assume that's with the brakes properly warmed up. They're rather different and do take some getting used to. If you're taking off from a cold start, it's worth pumping and dragging the brakes a few times to get some heat into them. Then, once you do have them warm, they're absurdly good at stopping you.
The whole car is just plain absurd. My M6 will happily keep up with your ScatPack, while I'm wrapped in leather and wood, with a lovely sound system, and something close to comfort. It's not all that comfortable for a BMW, but it's still fairly comfy. It has (also absurd) electro-magnetic shocks. When those fail, it's probably time to sell the car. I've priced those and I do not think I'll fix them. Then again, the car doesn't get that much use.
The BMW has never been a thing I could get into. I mean, it's a car, you get into it but it's never really tickled me much. They're very nice, I won't lie. I can definitely see why BMW gets some loyal customers.
Oh, I found out yesterday that Dodge is releasing the 2023 Challenger Demon 170. 1025 horsepower, 0-60 in 1.66 seconds, pulls 2.004 G.
I'm gonna have to be a bit skeptical. Right now, our 0 to 60 times aren't limited by engine capacity but by other factors - such as tire compounds and torsional limits on drive train components. In this case, I'd be curious about the tire compound for this venture.
Man, it's like 42k to change the tires on a Veyron - and they suggest sending the entire car back to do so.
So, I'm skeptical. Then, I wonder how many times it can achieve those numbers before shit starts to fall off of it?
The highest HP car I have is just over 1200 HP at the wheels and it's a Saleen. It's pretty much a death trap. You can't put the power to the pavement with the tires that are on it - and the tires that are on it are just barely road-legal tires. They're almost slicks. They'll be slicks after a dozen 0 to 60 runs.
My P1 doesn't even do 0 to 60 in that amount of time, and it has electricity helping it out along the way.
The Demon and Superstock are both made explicitly for the drag strip though they also "happen" to be street legal. They come with drag tires and a crate with parts just for drag. Of course it has a following to a fault because it's pure American muscle which you can't really argue with. The Mustang, Shelby, Camaro, Viper, Challenger, Corvette are all pure American muscle and car enthusiast targets in much the same way that old Ford pickups are pure-bread rural workhorses.
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 2 points 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 17:04:35 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Lordbananafist
[ - ] Lordbananafist 1 point 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 17:03:51 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 18:48:36 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 0 points 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 18:10:05 ago (+1/-1)
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-395935/2003-am-general-m1045a2/
It was too cheap to not buy it. It wasn't on my list of things to bid on.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 19:16:00 ago (+0/-0)
Damn, looking through that site makes me want to be a car collector. Good lord.
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 20:16:49 ago (+2/-1)
In the past few years, I've moved a lot of my assets into collectible automobiles. It actually makes financial sense to do so. I get a greater ROI with those than I'd ever get with stocks or bonds. The ROI is more in the 'high yeild' area as an average.
So long as you're reasonably aware of the market (and don't do anything stupid) a car you buy from a collectible auction will never be worth less than you paid for it. (This doesn't apply to something like a Honda Accord.) When you bought it at a public auction, you've set the initial value.
So, it works out well.
On top of that, I have stuff I've never even driven yet. They're all properly stored and professionally maintained. I've sold some of the pieces as a way to fund the logistics like storage and maintenance.
And, yeah, that's not a site you want to visit if you aren't a collector. LOL Otherwise you'll just be disappointed that you're not bidding.
However, I'm "done" now. No more major hauls with a bunch of cars from one auction. Now I'll just pick things that suit my collection or things I can sell at a great profit. At this point, I've spent a 'stupid amount' of money on vehicles.
It's addictive, as well... I tend to drive something different every week.
Oh, and I went on a Toyota FJ kick. I own all of them... LOL If there's a version, I probably own it - and there are a whole lot of versions.
[ + ] ToNigIsToNog
[ - ] ToNigIsToNog 0 points 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 21:53:51 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 22:19:51 ago (+1/-0)
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FA0820-432849/1973-toyota-fj-45-land-cruiser-pickup/
There were a zillion variations. I don't have them all, of course. I'm quite likely one of the reasons for their auction value going up. They were fairly cheap to get, even fully restored, but now you're looking at at least 35k for a well-restored example, and quite likely more than that.
If you'd been there, you could have watched the auction with us. I shared it on Poal back in the day, sharing when I was bidding and what I intended to buy. It was good fun but I'm done with purchasing large numbers at once. I can no longer realistically store them. As it is, I can no longer maintain 'em on my own.
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 2 yearsMar 28, 2023 23:56:21 ago (+0/-0)
I do not lament much. It took me till 2012 to own my own home and be stable enough to even have stored it.
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 29, 2023 00:04:58 ago (+1/-0)
I dunno why some are valued as highly as they are. I mean, I can usually say why a car has value, but there are just some odd things out there that retain value. It is getting more reasonable now, but the older American SUVs and pickup trucks were selling at absurd values for a while. They were selling for more than a new luxury truck. It was retarded.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 2 yearsMar 29, 2023 00:07:46 ago (+0/-0)
Yeah, I had to force myself to close that site because I found a car I'm terrified of watching go to auction. I wouldn't be able to control myself and it would become my new daily driver. That 1980 Trans-Am, oh damn that's a beauty.
Besides, I got my dream car now. Well, the "new" dream car. That used to be a Viper. After waiting 3 months for a part for my daily driver I kind of got the idea that an older car as a daily isn't a good idea. So I started looking around, looked into Vipers and realized that not only are they seriously underpowered for what they are, they're also freaking rolling death traps with very little safety measures. So after a bit of research, I settled on a Dodge Challenger and bought a 2021 ScatPack Wide Body off the showroom floor. Red, manual transmission, speedometer tops at 180 and it will do every bit of it. Not gonna lie, I love it.
For a while I kept the mustang because I was gonna restore it to as close to new as possible but someone I knew let slip that that was her dream car (year, color, features, everything) and I got to thinking about what I would have felt like if I'd gotten my dream car at that age. So I sold it. I get to see it driving around every once in a while and while I miss it in my driveway I don't miss driving it.
But, yeah, once you get to the point where you can collect cars, it's a rough thing not to because you see another car that you'd love to drive or just have sitting in your garage and that itch just hits you.
In any case, I have another $10K or so that I have to spend money on. Upgrades for sound system, kitchen, electronics and so on. Life has been simultaneously shitty and fantastic at the same time.
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 29, 2023 00:25:35 ago (+1/-0)
If I wanted to drive something stupidly fast all the time, I have exotics that will let me do that.
If I want to appreciate a Viper, complete with its cheesy plastic interior and shitty stereo, I do that. (And I value it for what it is and when it was.)
If I just wanted raw horsepower at a good price, the Challenger with the ScatPack is a good option. Of course, these days you can get the same power out of a Jeep.
I don't even want the radio changed. That irks me when prior owners did so - and they do that all the time. No! I want the exact radio it came with, no matter how crappy it was.
To me it's definitely not just about performance numbers, because it's not always performance numbers that I care about.
Fortunately, I still have plenty of room. I just don't have room for going and buying 60 cars in a single auction and having a dozen Pilot trucks lined up at the end of my driveway.
I've even bought some other silliness that you might appreciate for what it is:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0123-545509/1998-am-general-hummer-h1-alpha/
That one was the opposite of cheap. Also, the H1 is the only civilian HMMWV I'd own.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 2 yearsMar 29, 2023 07:51:35 ago (+0/-0)
I get what you mean about changing up a car. I thought several times about taking the radio out of the mustang and putting in a touchscreen kit but no matter how much I wanted a full featured console set up, I could never really bring myself to do it. All the same, I felt like the Viper, even the newer ones, could have done a better job at keeping up with modern tech and feature packages. Of course that's not what the Viper is for and the R/T ScatPack still has some SRT branding so it brought enough of the performance details to the table that that part of my mind shut up about it.
I got the challenger because, lol, it has good trunk space for the power it brought to the table. And the sexy curves. Otherwise I was looking at the newer camaros, mustangs, and whatnot. I was considering the full all-around feature set. I could have gone with a Durango - they have the same horsepower and it's an SUV but I don't need an SUV because I have the truck. So, car. I like a car that can get serious at highway speeds if it needs to. A lot of people overlook a good acceleration as a way to avoid collisions and while it's obviously not as common to use acceleration to avoid a collision, it's still important.
The only other vehicle I really want in my driveway is a older style Jeep Wrangler or similar. There's just something about it that I love. Might be because of the Dukes of Hazard or something but whatever, it's a nice toy.
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 29, 2023 18:46:15 ago (+1/-0)
It's only 600 HP but that's still amazing - and it's absurdly good at putting that power to the pavement.
You'll do 0 to 60 in about 3.6 seconds - while you have four doors. Yeah, it's got back seats that are usable and comfortable - but you'll still outperform some exotics.
Mine was optioned out with all the bells and whistles, including things like carbon-ceramic brakes. So, it brings it back down from 60 to 0 in like 95 feet. I assume that's with the brakes properly warmed up. They're rather different and do take some getting used to. If you're taking off from a cold start, it's worth pumping and dragging the brakes a few times to get some heat into them. Then, once you do have them warm, they're absurdly good at stopping you.
The whole car is just plain absurd. My M6 will happily keep up with your ScatPack, while I'm wrapped in leather and wood, with a lovely sound system, and something close to comfort. It's not all that comfortable for a BMW, but it's still fairly comfy. It has (also absurd) electro-magnetic shocks. When those fail, it's probably time to sell the car. I've priced those and I do not think I'll fix them. Then again, the car doesn't get that much use.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 2 yearsMar 30, 2023 07:34:41 ago (+0/-0)
Oh, I found out yesterday that Dodge is releasing the 2023 Challenger Demon 170. 1025 horsepower, 0-60 in 1.66 seconds, pulls 2.004 G.
That's just... insane.
[ + ] TheRealBuddha
[ - ] TheRealBuddha 1 point 2 yearsMar 30, 2023 16:16:14 ago (+1/-0)
Man, it's like 42k to change the tires on a Veyron - and they suggest sending the entire car back to do so.
So, I'm skeptical. Then, I wonder how many times it can achieve those numbers before shit starts to fall off of it?
The highest HP car I have is just over 1200 HP at the wheels and it's a Saleen. It's pretty much a death trap. You can't put the power to the pavement with the tires that are on it - and the tires that are on it are just barely road-legal tires. They're almost slicks. They'll be slicks after a dozen 0 to 60 runs.
My P1 doesn't even do 0 to 60 in that amount of time, and it has electricity helping it out along the way.
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 2 yearsMar 30, 2023 19:38:54 ago (+1/-0)