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[ - ] drhitler 3 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 00:40:43 ago (+3/-0)

4 perfectly arranged squares is not the answer though, its 4

stupid nigger.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 00:48:00 ago (+0/-0)

Teachers of the future will say "Did you just assume the squares arrangement bigot? 2 days suspension and arrangement therapy session for you"

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 11:32:02 ago (+0/-0)

I think the data scientist is approaching this in the wrong way, but you can tell he's talking about emergent properties... the same concept that applies to mass defect in matter, or a physical property 'popping' into existence due to the specific kinds of interactions of the smaller components. His argument is basically comparing standard logical arithmetic to how math is used in practical application. If you look closely, he acknowledges that he is talking about semantics. I don't agree with his approach, but mainly only because his argument is trying to reinvent the wheel.

To explain his squares picture: if a square is defined as a polygon with 4 equal length sides based on simple delineations, there is a possible configuration of 4 individual squares that would result in 5 squares being present. Therefore, in the same way that sqrt(4)=2 is often used as a shorthand for the fact that the answer '2' is the correct possible answer of sqrt(4) based on implied constraints on the system (sqrt4 is actually 2 and -2), it would follow that a textbook author could clarify some system of semantics where 2+2=5 would be an acceptable shorthand to represent a solution to a specific kind of geometry question with specific kinds of constraints. It's a bad idea for textbook author to take that approach because it will absolutely cause confusion, but you can see the meat of the argument that he is making.

His square scenario would be more correctly written as "2+2→5" like what you would see when balancing a chemical equation.

[ - ] SithEmpire 2 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 04:17:15 ago (+2/-0)

Home-school, got it.

[ - ] Kozel 2 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 04:12:21 ago (+2/-0)

Subject of retardation aside, he's purportedly a data scientist. What type of ist is one who takes scientific approach to noticing?

[ - ] MightyMorphinFaggot 2 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 02:46:06 ago (+2/-0)

The entire premise of a decimal point was to shown that 2 plus 2 does not fucking equal 5.

Decimal points exist for a reason.

Why don't you just round to the nearest thousand and then 0+0=0.

Fucking nonsense.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 03:09:03 ago (+0/-0)

Exactly.

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 12:15:44 ago (+0/-0)

True, decimals are important, but even decimal versions of irrational numbers are going to have rounding errors, and those rounding errors (if left unaccounted) can result in absurd statements like 2+2=5.

If we approach his examples from the premise of uncertainty, by chipping off a decimal play for 2.3 + 2.3, there would be an uncertainty in any of these truncated numbers that is -0/+1 if the numbers after the floating point are just discarded. The answer would then be "2(-0/+1) + 2(-0/+1) = 4(-0/+2)". If you were first rounding to the nearest number in order to remove the decimal, it would look something like: "2(±0.5) + 2(±0.5) = 4(±1)"

But, if you are familiar with programming and computation, there can be an advantage to losing precision and accuracy in order to attain faster computation.

It depends on the application.

But if you had truncated values which you were trying to compare to see if they were equivalent, this is where a plus/minus uncertainty comes in handy. If 4.6 was rounded to 5, these types of rounding would have that ±0.5 uncertainty build in. So if I created a program where a=2.3, b=2.3, c=4.6, and for whatever reason I wanted to remove the floating point by rounding, the new variables would look like A=2,B=2,C=5. If I wanted to check if a+b=c, based on the decimal values, it would come out 'true'. If I wanted to test A+B=C it would be 'false' unless I took the extra time to make it consider the uncertainty due to rounding. In which case there would be a valid possible configuration therefore the statement can be 'true' in a least one consideration. The accumulated uncertainty of A+B would create a value with a wider uncertainty than true C. The thing we would be checking against is also whether that degree of varied uncertainty between A+B and true C would be acceptable. (I.e is 5±0.5 reasonably the same as 5±1?)

Anyway, metrology and all of that.

I'm not saying the data scientist was making a smart statement, but I think his observation is worth a discussion of why we do the things we already do. For all I know this guy is just some wokist trying to "decolonize" math cirricula, which is basically to say he's trying to intellectually vandalize something that already works better than his proposed approach.

I think there is value in trying to understand and break down where someone is coming from in order to completely and comprehensively address the issue to the point that they can recognize for themselves that their position is not a good one.

[ - ] MightyMorphinFaggot 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 17:27:01 ago (+0/-0)

Think about your statement. You are actively using less computing power to come up with a "correct" answer.

Just because you can get a computer to say its TRUE doesn't mean it's good programming. It means you're a lazy faggot and you need to do better next time.

[ - ] Name 1 point 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 08:51:59 ago (+1/-0)

They will do anything to avoid discussing compound interest.

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 1 point 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 05:47:57 ago (+1/-0)

This niggers really can't comprehend floats or 32 bt signed or multiple variable fractions.

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 1 point 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 00:31:34 ago (+1/-0)

It is definitely time to seriously consider the future of half baked intellectuals, useless eaters and the (((breed))) that created them...this is fucking nuclear stupidity.

[ - ] WhatColorIsYourTigerCage 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 13:49:00 ago (+0/-0)

1+1=3

[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 02:35:00 ago (+0/-0)

In the future? Nigger, they've been doing that in the past too!

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 02:35:59 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah nigger, read the title again lol

[ - ] SumerBreeze 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 01:24:32 ago (+0/-0)

2+2=4 was never defined in the first place, but discovered.

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 05:49:20 ago (+0/-0)

I fucking had to write a proof for it in a 400 level math class in college.

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 10:59:42 ago (+0/-0)

Maybe... loosely?

2 = 1+1
4 = 1+1+1+1

Therefore, leading from those tautological statements, 2+2=4 is really just 1+1+1+1=1+1+1+1

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 00:27:56 ago (+0/-0)

Just based on the picture, the chick is talking about emergent properties in a system.

The proper denotation for this could be something like "2 + 2 → 5" but never "2+2=5" because that would create a logical contradiction.

The later statement where "2.3 + 2.3 = 4.6" would be rounded and rendered in single digits as "2+2=5" is an example of a rounding error. These are very typically addressed by a statement to draw attention to the fact there is a rounding error (very common in statistics where the sum of parts don't smoothly equal 100% due to rounding errors). Other times an approximate sign is used. E.g. "2 + 2 ≈ 5". Which still can look bizarre without context.

I totally get what they are getting at, but ultimately it's a poor argument and it's a bad exploration of semantics. We already have language conventions that deal with this kind of thing.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 00:36:16 ago (+0/-0)

The chick may be talking about emergent properties in a system, however the Harvard graduate is not.

it's a bad exploration of semantics

Like you have demonstrated by cherry picking one response instead of the idiotic claim made by the original poster. That woman is merely attempting to rationalize the insanity in the claim that 2+2=5

The moment that they started deviating into "emergent property systems" is when they started attacking a strawman.

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 01:05:27 ago (+0/-0)

You're an idiot

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt [op] 1 point 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 02:10:57 ago (+1/-0)

Says the guy who attempted to defend the notion that "2+2=5"

"I see where you are coming from however..."

kike engaging in pilpul

[ - ] The_Reunto 0 points 1.2 yearsMar 26, 2023 04:23:05 ago (+0/-0)

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