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Hormone differences between white and black men.

submitted by 1point21jiggawatts to whatever 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 10:42:28 ago (+19/-0)     (whatever)

Black males don't have much more testosterone than white males. What they have much more of is estrogen, yes the primary female sex hormone. I was surprised to learn this but it does explain some things.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17456570/

Conclusions: Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels. Mexican-Americans had higher testosterone than whites but similar estradiol and SHBG concentrations. Given these findings, it may be equally if not more important to investigate estradiol as testosterone in relation to diseases with racial disparity.

This was originally a comment on another post but I think it merits it's own thread.


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[ - ] ParnellsUprising 12 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 10:47:03 ago (+12/-0)

I guess that would explain why niggers have no control over their emotions.

[ - ] Rebooted 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 14:30:05 ago (+1/-0)

It is so obviously simple.

[ - ] VicariousJambi 11 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 10:49:04 ago (+11/-0)

Niggers have a wombo combo for being violent criminals. They are bio-mechanically predisposed towards violence. They have smaller frontal lobes. Frontal lobes control empathy, emotions, and forethought. Consequences for actions. Mix that with less brain ridges. Less brain ridges means less brain surface area which means a lower IQ which means less pattern recognition. Mix that with higher estrogen which makes them fly off the handle at the drop of a hat... And I'm not done. Thats just the bio-mechanics. Mix all of that with the rap / basketball culture given to them by jews which promotes gang violence, slutting around, crime, etc etc...... and you get the murder monkies we know today.

[ - ] 1point21jiggawatts [op] 6 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 10:51:35 ago (+6/-0)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326626/

"Analyses revealed that African-American males who carry the 2-repeat allele are significantly more likely than all other genotypes to engage in shooting and stabbing behaviors and to report having multiple shooting and stabbing victims."

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 21:16:47 ago (+1/-0)

But this gene only has a frquency of abt 5% in blacks, if I remember correctly.

There may be several genes linked to their high aggression but higher testosterone is one of them and higher melanin production is another. Melanin is also psychoactive and has been shown to increase aggression and territoriality in many species.

[ - ] NeedleStack 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 08:45:44 ago (+1/-0)

Hilarious comment to read at the start of the day lol.

[ - ] Prairie 5 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 11:32:02 ago (+5/-0)

The sheboons also don't have less testosterone than White males. /s

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 21:17:26 ago (+1/-0)

They have higher T than white women.

[ - ] BoozyB 3 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 11:07:43 ago (+3/-0)

So the average violent nigger and the average butch lesbian have a similar testosterone-estrogen mix?
That would explain similar aberrant behaviors.

[ - ] Ex_hack 3 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 10:53:04 ago (+3/-0)

Is the high estrogen in nigger males the reason why there are so many down low niggerfaggots.

[ - ] 1point21jiggawatts [op] 3 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 11:07:14 ago (+3/-0)

High estrogen levels are linked to high reactivity and increased aggression.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 21:12:51 ago (+1/-0)

No you are thinking of testosterone

[ - ] 1point21jiggawatts [op] 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 11:55:27 ago (+0/-0)*

Both hormones are linked to aggression. That's one of the factors to the "angry PMS woman".

Do a little reading on it if you care enough, it's not hard to find.

The data is pretty clear, while studies show blacks have 2.5 to 4.9% higher testosterone they also have 17% higher estrogen levels.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 15:41:25 ago (+0/-0)*

No both hormones are not linked to aggression. Testosterone differs little from one species to the next and the genes that it acts upon are “highly conserved” , i.e the similar from animal to animal.

Why are male animals more violent than female ones? Because males have cheap reproduction and under the right conditons they can become highly reproductively successful by screwing as many females as possible and killing other male competitors.

Polygamy/promiscuity has BIG pay offs for males as does aggression, but not for females— women cannot have 10x more babies by fucking alot more dudes and killing other females. Promiscuity/violence has good trade-offs for many males (under certain conditons) but hardly ever in females.

The genes that control maleness and male behavior are OLD. The behaviors that make men and male dogs and males bears and bulls and roosters behaviorally comparable are implemented by most of the same genes and turned on by testosterone. Estradiol does not turn on aggressive behaviors in blacks or black women would be the most aggressive people on the planet. Black women can hold a gun as well as anyone. But black men kill far more people.

I mean honestly, you are cherry picking your aggressive behavior. Most murder is committed by men and war is an overwhelmingly male behavior. Has there ever been an instance of females going to war and men staying home? No, because male murder and male war is almost always about males gaining control over a females . Not consciously. But that is what drive male aggression. Men are built for killing, emotionally.

In cold climates, a quality over quantity style of fatherhood succeeded. Males who provided meat to a small number of offspring by a single mate succeeded over promiscuous dead-beat dads. Monogamy led to lower sexual competition among men, which causes testosterone levels to drop. Males are only incentivized to murder each other when some males are hoarding more than one female, which creates a scarcity of available females. Monogamous animals have lower male intrasexual aggression ( the males dont try to kill each other)

I have given you a study which shows a 20% difference among college age black and white males for T. What’s different? They created a 25 year cohort for this study, lumping in 20 yr olds with 44 year olds. That is going to mitigate the testosterone variation that you see in the groups that are the most violent, young men. Why did they do that? Is estradiol highest in that group? Probably not. It probably goes up in men as they age because of fat.

Look at the body fat adjusted model (#2). If you convert to pg, there is a 4 pg difference between the black and white means for free testosterone and a 5 pg difference for estradiol. To put that in to perspective women have 10x that much estradiol. Are women 10x as aggressive?

These are tiny amounts of estradiol in males. You are assuming the relative difference accounts for massive behavioral differences in blacks that are not seen at all in women with much higher levels! But what are the sensitivities of these tests? Is the precision of the estradiol test the same as the testosterone test relative to the quantities being measured? Probably not, so that will minimize the variation (artificially) which is what allows them to state that the estradiol difference is significant but the testosterone difference is not.

I worked in statistics and quality control and there’s a million different ways you can game this data in the analysis and I cant tell you which ones they used for sure because I dont have the raw data and am not an endocrinologist. But I dont like their conclusions which contradict the data: blacks and mexicans have higher testosterone and estradiol

Remember that estradiol is produced from testosterone and aromatase. Why do blacks have more estradiol? Do they have higher levels of aromatase? Or testosterone? Or both.

Blacks are more on the ‘r’ side of the r/K reproductive spectrum: live fast, die hard, fuck alot. You would expect them to have more of all sex hormones. But the testosterone is the trigger to the aggression, and the melanin is the trigger to the emotionality.

The biggest problem with this data analysis, which I pointed out before but which you ignored, is that blacks are not all black. 95% of black americans have between 90 and 40% african ancestry. Half have more than 25%. If you eliminate that half you will have the blacks with the lowest IQ and the highest violence and the highest testosterone levels AND the difference will be staistically significant.

Someone posted a study a few days ago which measured IQ against % white ancestry. This produced an even stronger link to IQ and race because it accounted for variation in ancestry among black identifying people. The same will be true for testoterone.

[ - ] 1point21jiggawatts [op] 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 16:49:51 ago (+0/-0)*

We all know that high testosterone is in linked to violence and aggression, no one's disputing that or that virtually all the violent offenders are male. But numerous studies disagree with you about high estrogen and aggressive and reactionary behaviors. That's why I suggested you go do some reading. Maybe they're all wrong and you're right, I wouldn't be surprised since most of "science" today is fake and gay.

I guess the premise here is that the high estrogen may explain the some of the emotionally reactive behavior which in conjunction with the many other factors, probably contributes to the tendency toward violence.

And maybe you're an exception but there's a reason men all agree that women are emotionally reactive.

[ - ] Doglegwarrior 2 points 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 11:25:00 ago (+2/-0)

Just for a second think back.

Do you remember any negative encounters with a female? Now make that female 6'4" and as strong as a nfl linebacker?

Ok you have your answer

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 15:53:44 ago (+0/-0)

Women have 10x the eatradiol as black males. They should be shooting 10x the people in the street. You dont need muscles for guns. Women should have had dozens of wars since the invention of guns which involved no one but women, while men stayed home worrying. Number of female wars: zero.

Animals with hih estradiol levels should be aggressive. But for some reason its animals with hih testosteron that are the most aggressive. Thats a major reason we castrate livestock and pets.

Ok you have your answer.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 20:43:55 ago (+1/-0)*

Wrong. Blacks have higher testosterone.

The army did this study 50 years ago and found significant differences in these hormone levels. Probably because they used narrower age cohorts and had more data points which lead to narrower confidence ranges.

But even in this study you can see whats happening in the data tables.
I have underlined in red the groups with the highest mean testosterone and the group with the highest confidence range for that mean, for the age adjusted and two multi-variable adjusted results.
LOOK AT IT.
https://files.catbox.moe/jy3te9.jpeg
NHW= White, NHB = black, MA = Mexican
The highest means and ranges are for blacks or mexicans in every case. EVERY CASE.

See how the confidence interval for blacks is much higher? Thats because half of blacks have between 25 and 70% white ancestry. Guess where the high white admixed blacks fall in that data set. Guess where the purebreds fall.

They are playing a little game with confidence intervals because they can promote this misleading conclusion since nobody understands statistics. 95% confidence interval is an arbitrary rule for significance. Didnt anyone learn anything in covid?

Black men have more prostate cancer because they have higher testosterone. They have higher everything when it comes to sex hormones.

Much of their violence is due to high T which is the main hormone that promotes violent behavior in all males everywhere, humans and otherwise.

Maleness does not change that much from species to species. Testosterone is pretty much the same in thousands of species and it activates the same genes which are highly conserved between species. Some of those genes turn on violent behavior, which is really useful for most males. Males can become super successful reproductively by banging lots of chicks and murdering competing males.

Testosterone is the main activator of libido and violence and its higher in blacks. Keep coping that its “because their like ladies”. It ain’t. Blacks have a hyper-male strategy. White males, being more monogamous, have a far more nurturing strategy which is why they are better dads and husbands. Black males are more like bulls and roosters, trying to fuck and fight all the time.

Edit:
This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant.
“Serum testosterone levels in healthy young black and white men” - R Ross, L Bernstein, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3455741/

Racial and ethnic variations in serum testosterone levels were investigated among a large sample of male Vietnam era veterans. Based on geometric means, significant average differences were found between 3,654 non-Hispanic white and 525 black individuals.
“Racial/Ethnic variations in male testosterone levels: A probable contributor to group differences in health”, Ellis, Nyborg

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helmuth-Nyborg/publication/21534992_RacialEthnic_variations_in_male_testosterone_levels_A_probable_contributor_to_group_differences_in_health/links/5e284fc14585150ee7789f05/Racial-Ethnic-variations-in-male-testosterone-levels-A-probable-contributor-to-group-differences-in-health.pdf?origin=publication_detail

[ - ] 1point21jiggawatts [op] 0 points 1.1 yearsMar 22, 2023 11:44:02 ago (+0/-0)*

The data is pretty clear, while studies show blacks have 2.5 to 4.9% higher testosterone they also have 17% higher estrogen levels.

So roughly three to six times greater a disparity in estrogen than testosterone.

[ - ] SaneGoatiSwear 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 17:53:50 ago (+1/-0)

Estrogen helps drive testosterone. Bodybuilders and athletes often take progesterone, which is a female pregnancy hormone used in IVF. You need both hormones for muscle growth.

[ - ] DivineLight2 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 11:49:43 ago (+1/-0)

I've read this study years ago and it makes sense.

The erratic emotional behaviour, a result of low IQ and estrogen.

And a lot of guys on gear at my gym and the bros online will say high estrogen helps with muscle building, so again makes sense that they build muscle fairly fast and why they have poor grip strength, even when weighing more and being younger - White's have more test and likely more dht, explains why they get destroyed in 1v1 fights and why they often flee.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 1.1 yearsMar 21, 2023 21:24:14 ago (+1/-0)

If you read the study you would see that the results contradict the conclusion and blacks indeed have more testosterone.

See my comment where I show exactly where it does that in the screenshot.

I also cite 2 other studies that had the opposite conclusions, that black men indeed had higher T. Blacks are “super males” with an obvious quantity over quality approach to reproduction like promiscuous males in many other species and higher T levels complement that strategy by increasing libido and violent behavior.