There's something revolting about becoming a 'martyr' and letting someone do harm while you 'turn the other cheek'. It goes against human nature. That's what most would call brain washing
Whites are enslaved and the moon landing was a hoax. The protestant reformation broke the church up and made it harder to control, which was an improvement, but it was an improvement specifically because it reduced jewish control, not because it led people to a different version of jewish theology.
[ - ] Name -1 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 22:55:20 ago (+0/-1)
That and they poisoned the well that is Christianity. It is easy to be repulsed by something that is a skeleton of its former self. Nobody likes zombies.
I went on a date with this guy who brought EVERY conversation topic back to Christ or scripture. I also saw his inner rage when he spoke about his ex and laughed to myself about his need to bring up his million dollar house—irony in real time. I think that some things in this world are meant to be sacred and private. If you’re gonna talk like that, you better be ready back it up with your attitude or you look like an idiot.
They've been raised to side with whomever intellectually sneers at any group as dumb. Their biggest fear in life is not being seen as intellectually superior because they're not that all. They're inferior.
The US & Canada are Protestant countries with laws based on Protestantism. The exact flavor was most closely represented in the Walton's TV show.
They equate it with fundamentalist israeli jew worshipping apocalyptic poor fundies because the media fed them that image, and the media is their religion. They believe in the core of their being that the media exists to make them smarter. It's their cult.
I consider statements of fact by their alignment to the evidence, and statements of opinion by their known effects.
Experimental data and empirical verification, that's what I apply to all things.
I believe the scientific method is the best means of generating knowledge and formulating opinion (that is, assuming you have a goal, the method can find you the best way to accomplishing it).
That makes me scientistic, but only in the definitely sense, I'm leagues apart from most "science fans".
I think religious claims need to be treated more fairly, there is a clear bias against them, and against religions in general.
Especially Christianity which gets the most hate from everywhere. Why is it hated?
I think that it is precisely because modern Christians aren't like they used to be, aggressive and violent.
That's how a religion gets regarded as peaceful, by being the opposite towards their critics.
I've lived through the invention of Islamophobia, Islamophobia was a concept that came into existence after Muslims repeatedly committed acts of murder every time their religion was called violent.
I think that's also why White people are such targets, everybody knows we could just destroy anyone who offends us, but we don't.
That's what gets you to be the target of hatred, and when you are hated they will look for reason to hate you and fling them at you.
Nobody actually gives a flying fuck about the transatlantic slave trade or the holohoax, these are just ways of justifying attacks on white people that prevents them from retaliating.
If Christians started putting people to the sword for blasphemy, they would have to do it for a while until it becomes expected from them and the old peaceful Christians are forgotten.
But when that happens, people will stop talking about how brutally oppressive Christians were and are, they will probably start defending them from any sort of criticism, it'll nominally be in the name of combating christophobia, but actually it'll be because they know Christians will kick some asses if they get upset.
Men are easily able to overpower women, yet we do not, and so women hate us the way blacks hate whites.
The reasons don't matter, whatever arguments they make are simply justifications they know will cause us to tolerate this treatment.
The real reason any group is hated today is that we stopped being willing to physically attack those who attacked us verbally.
When you have strength, yet refrain from using it against those who offend you, it is an insult against them that makes you worthy of death in their eyes.
We have insulted the world twice, first by being superior by nature, second by being unwilling to use our natural advantages to the fullest extent in order to establish dominance over those who are inferior by nature.
Whites are hated because we refuse to exercise our potential for dominance ever though we are known to have it.
Society becomes less racist when we start wrecking anyone who insults our race.
If the original nazis were around in force today, an actual threat, then people would probably be a little bit less willing to talk about national socialism.
It is better to be feared than loved, if you are feared you are less likely to be hated, becauee it is dangerous to hate that which you know to be dangerous. We should seek to be loved too, to say and do that which is admirable, and to extend kindness to others where we could afford to. But we should be feared first and foremost, they must recognize our lack of violence as a measure of our restraint, and not as a measure of our harmlessness. We must be the dangerous black princes who are known not to be crossed. Thoroughly good men can rule only briefly, evil men for a bit more, and those who are good by nature yet also to be evil when the need comes for it tend to rule for the longest time.
Christianity has exacerbated letting in hundreds of millions of shit skins into Western society. It has utterly turned its back on the future of Caucasian people. And the corruption and pedophilia from its hierarchical structures is a gaping wound. Many denominations have been taken over by evil and greed.
A lot of idiots revel in today's modern Christianity without seeing the downsides. This is the average person you hear trying to talk to you about their 'faith'.
This is not to say there's no upside. And 'some' of the parables and stories are good with roots in the pagan culture before conversion
I think there's a fear element to it, you disagree with this but know it's popular wirh an influential crowd.
And you worry that it's going to become this dominant cultural force on society.
And you worry that whatever good is achieved in society since the adoption of this ideology will be credited to this ideological shift.
And you also know that this same ideological clique strongly disagree with something you believe strongly in.
And that whatever you believe to be true or beneficial is going to be rejected for a long time until the hate of it dies down.
Perhaps that will be your entire lifetime. So you wish you could prove to the world that whatever you believe in is better/truer than these people think it is.
Also, while they are the one that brought the subject up, you know they have zero interest in discussing its merits or genuinely considering differing opinions or criticisms. They just want to preach at you and expect you to validate their beliefs.
So it makes you feel like you suddenly have to walk on eggshells, or else risk a confrontational scene. In which you will inevitably be at a disadvantage, due to their opinion being popular with the influential crowd, which has a reputation for cruelly persecuting those who dare to disagree.
Whether intended or not, this comes across as a sleazy power play on their part: Demanding you submit and play along, or even daring you to say something that will get you mobbed by their fellow zealots.
It's particularly frustrating when you were trying to have an important or meaningful discussion about something that is - or should be - entirely unrelated, and they derail that discussion in this manner.
I'm going to try to answer this without attacking Christians. I'm Pagan and I know what you're talking about. I experienced it even years ago as a Christian hearing other Christian sects preach or interject in conversations.
I think it's related to how the religion is spread, similar to the reaction you get when a salesperson is pushing on your emotional triggers. You can tell they're of a set mind, nothing will change what they think, and they are using practiced techniques to get something out of you (to join them or at least passively let them stand unopposed and dominate the conversation) That pressure and especially any part of it that's disingenuous creates a sense of disgust.
There's also a threat of conflict if you disagree which covers the fear side.
That said the Christian Nationalists have been taking the most real world actions against the jews (HT and Torba are the ones I'm thinking of) so while I have plenty of concerns about the jewish origin of Christianity and how it destroyed European White religions, I leave them alone about it since I'd rather support their pro-White actions in solidarity.
What they do is find a point in commonality with a large number of people and build on that to pull them towards other beliefs. It's what I'd been saying online that we should try for years before GAB was even known about.
I do hope that my correspondences with Torba in the past was what helped him develop his beliefs, because he sure didn't start out as one of a like mind. I was worried he was working with the establishment as controlled opposition, and he might have been so unwittingly, but now he is not, and I feel great about it.
I like this one site on the deepweb that is an everything goes text board, there's no way to post pictures or links to anything (anything that so much as looks like it might contain a hidden hyperlink address is removed). It's just text, but you can say anything there, so long as it stays with the character limit. Anyway, for a time that was my GAB, I was getting very good discussion and information. I noticed the formation of a consensus that was very different from what the users were originally on there about. They went from one kind of people to the people who hate those kinds of people.
That's me, I went from christian to atheist, from being a leftard into being "far right", I think I've had enough discussions with myself and others that I've essentially did what these largely unmoderated anonymous discussion platforms such as 4chan did to an entire generation. Though I've also sought out and used those same sites.
When I tell people that the modern pro-white movement wouldn't exist without 4chan and the new atheists of youtube I get laughed at because these two groups today are seen as being as far as you could get from pro-whites, but that is where the far right had indeed originated, within these two groups. Perhaps they've become so opposite to each other precisely BECAUSE the origins of the one lay in these two others.
Yes, the NS ideology did begin in Germany in the 1930s, but the popular support for it was small, weak, and dying out when the internet came to people's homes, the most you'd see of them was as actors on jerry springer, White Pride in general was on the way out, the western world was "like 95% post-racial".
What changed all that and took Pro-White ideologies out of the trailer parks and into the realm of being taken seriously was 4chan and youtube. It wasn't sited dedicated to them like "Stormfront", it was the trolls on /b/ and the atheists on youtube.
Now, a lot of people could see the series of events that led to the "far right" emerging from 4chan, but of the "god wars" on early youtube, shouldn't it have been the christians who started moving to White Identity?
No, it wasn't them and couldn't have been them because back then everything was completely different than it is today, the christians were using words like "nazi" and "racist" as go-to attacks and claiming that atheism was the cause of being these things.
The atheists back then were a lot more like the christians are today, they took the idea of using science and philosophy to interrogate everything seriously, as there was no dogma established among atheists back then.
Plenty of them took the accusations of being immoral and prone to bigotry seriously and became the most morally-righteous anti-bigots you could know. But plenty of them also reacted to the accusations by choosing to interrogate the "racist nazi" position.
The effects on many of those was the same as you saw with the 4chan trolls who began with arguing for the most offensive and indefensible positions they could think of, and actually discovering (to their bemused surprise) that there was a good case to what everyone (normies) had simply KNEW was wrong and evil and only believed in by those crazy guys who were dying out.
Everything you've seen in Pro-White politics has come from the people who started out as youtube atheists and as the userbase of 4chan's /b/ board.
The far right is populated with Christians now because of who their enemies were, and the enemy was full of militant atheists who hated Christianity. It got to the point where people who were atheists themselves like Richard Spencer started advocating for a cultural Christianity, as to him the fedoras were raging against the Christian mythology which had been the foundation of so much of the culture of the European ("White") peoples. Also he liked how Jews hated it.
The alt-right of the 2010s was pretty damn awesome, they accomplished so much simply because they got out in large groups and attracted a lot of attention. All it too for them to win was to be allowed to argue for their own side, they had the truth when it came to science, history, and stats, and they had the most down-to-earth pragmatic arguments for white rights, interests, and identity.
I know it's fun to bash on the like of dickie spence but he and is friends were actually quite genius when it came to effective activism. I think that it was after the 2020 election that everything just kinda died for them, it was already dying for the alt-right at that point but just seeing Biden be elected president on a clearly fraudulent election that the courts refused to hear the case of despite knowing all the fuckery that was afoot during it. Yeah, that was truly when it was over.
No one respects Spencer or his affiliates anymore. Just like nobody knows who WT Snacks or Christopher Poole is anymore. We've seen the end of an era. It's all over now, has been for years. But fuck it was good wen it lasted.
Sometimes I wanna be born again in the 90s, just to do this all over again while growing up as a kid in the 2000s.
But everybody does that with regard to things like morality and politics.
The left speaks about all their -isms -phobias anti-xs and other such bigotries as if they were some kind of unquestionably certain objective evil.
Sometimes things produce such a strong emotion in you that you cannot help but be blind to just how many ways they could be questioned.
Other times things are so apparent to you that you have trouble even imagining how people couldn't see things in the exact way you see them, and it FEELS so damn right to you that you have a hard time even considering the questions raised about this metaphysical assumption.
[ - ] Panic 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 01:17:55 ago (+1/-0)
As kids, we get hammered with lots of people endlessly pushing their faith on us. Any disagreement resulted in them decreeing that your soul is damned to hell, that you are under the control of Satan and such shit as that. Total agreement is required by these usually ignorant busybodies and it gets very tiring.
Starting in my late teens, I began to read the entire New Testament and discovered that these preaching apes did not themselves know the Bible, but were mimicking the junk they heard in church sermons and Sunday School. I've been in enough churches of various denominations to know that the sermons are rarely profound. But there's always the fear factor plus the money grubbing.
The Bible is okay with me but never so the people pretending to know the will of God. Not opposed to Jesus, just his ignorant and unruly mob of church members..
Like many have addressed, it depends on how you do it.
I just got into an argument/discussion where the other person proclaimed their faith, that everything was going to be taken care of, God was aware/around/and in control...when reality shows things to be different. It prohibits people from being proactive and at least reactive, because you feel someone else will take over and take care of you.
Actually bro, I get it. Just typing this. It's the Q thing. Same principles: no personal responsibility...giving up any action to someone else...that's it, dude. Your Lord and Savior will take care of you, and you don't have to do anything but believe.
Unless you frame the discussion differently, that's how you sound to people.
I noticed that a "God wants us to do X" and "God can't do all the work" and "God is testing us" and "earning God's favor by doing X" has a better effect.
BTW, its not just something experienced in reaction to Christians and what their beliefs as Christians are.
In myself I've noticed that every time I hear someone talk about some vague "gods" in plural or some specific plurality of "gods" that exist in a work of fantasy, I cringe.
Why can't we have fantasy factions that are monotheistic and not evil imperialists? The empire of mankind from warhammer is monotheistic (they worship the Emperor God and none other, with the exception of some machine cults whose heresy is barely tolerated because they are so useful to the empire) and pretty much a 1:1 with the way the holy roman empire was, just in the future (fitting as that was the inspiration).
Also of note are the hammerites from the "thief" series, who worship the one God they believe to exist, the God that turned the city from a monster-filled forest into the mass of steel and concrete it is by the series' beginning, erecting the walls and fires that keep the creatures out. In contrast to the pagans they used to be and their hidden remnants the hammerite church is constantly at war with, whose polytheistic religions they had banned and whose practice was literally driven underground, most old faith pretend to be hammerites up on the surface but worship the old gods in secret underneath the city streets or just outside the walls.
it's not revulsion moreso mild disgust/exasperation.. 'how can they still believe this BS?'
it's obvious BS and you know it, you cling on only because it's the last widespread institution representing morality. but the basis it stands on to deliver that morality is nonsense. and no, dumb fucks, morality does not come from the jews, it existed well before any bible was written, it exists in all ancient societies.
It's because you being a christian doesn't contribute anything. How are they supposed to respond?
Use secular morality so you can lecture people without bringing god into it. Then at the end you can remind them that organized religion agrees with your logic.
These days, he'd probably get better results telling them he's a disabled niggerfaggot. Hey @antipostmodernist , try that and report back with any differences.
I once built a huge walk in chicken coop for my very religious neighbor. I built it all on my property and hauled the components to her place to set it up. Once I was on her land, she sat there and read from the Bible every minute I was working. I was trapped. Eventually I stopped being nice and would just run a saw while she was yammering, I could see she was still talking. She kept begging me to go to church with her. Finished her coop, and I haven’t talked to her in 10 years. She exhausted me.
I once volunteered to pick up old people and bring them to church on thanksgiving. Church wasn’t my thing, I sat in the parking lot till the party was over so I could take them home. An ever growing committee kept coming out and try to convert me. After the third year, I quit. They drained me of charity. I can be a good person without having to believe what they believe. They didn’t see it that way.
It's not disgust, per se, so much as it's cringe. Similar to when a hippy starts talking about crystals and plant spirits. Most people simply don't want to hear it. And honestly, it often comes off as a sort of narcisism, because when you really get down to it, it's just another type of virtue signaling. When people talk about their faith, they're just talking about themselves, and all too often in an artifical, self-righteous manner.
There is often a pushiness to it too, which repels people like a hot fart.
Sin does trigger Belief is all emotions without follow-up actions. If your boots ain't on the ground walking out your faith you just playing religion LOL.
There are several reasons. They don't think he is a "moralfag" whose going to judge them. It is their own conscious letting them know that they have separated themselves from God. For others they do feel a real sense of revulsion because they are in the presence of one of God's followers but they themselves are one of the servants of satan. They do the will of their god the devil and can't stand to be around followers of God.
WITH religion you get moral relativism. Also moral relativism and amorality are different things.
What is the basis of "objectivity" in religious morality? It's just the opinion of God, why should it matter more than any other opinion? Especially since we don't know if God has a God to give him the proper objective morals he requires to give us objective morals. You better hope he does, because otherwise you are just getting the relative moral opinions of an atheist, and treating them as if they came from some objective source.
If "goodness" is an inherent property of God. Well how could we know? God could just be telling lies about himself and we'd have no way of even approximating whether he's telling the truth, we have to decide whether to trust him or not. As morally flawed being who cannot make good moral decisions on our own without God, how could we know what "goodness" even is? Maybe it's something we DON'T want, something we'd consider to be BAD. Is raping a child wrong? most Christians think so, but there's no age of consent in the Holy Bible, despite it being chock full of sex laws. Is killing a child wrong? Most Christians think so, but according to his own book God did it in massive numbers at least twice. But by the morally relativistic standards of mere people such as yourself these are likely some of the worst crimes you could commit. But for God it's "good"? Yes, it is, it's called "divine command", the morality here is exactly what I advocate, finding some "king" and framing your moral views around them, what's beneficial for them or their interests is good, what's bad for them or their interests is evil, and the "king" themselves can do no wrong, they can only do right. For the king, all is justifiable. The problem with individualism is that there are too many "kings", the problem with certain forms of collectivism is that the "king" isn't a person but an idea, and somehow people assume that's better (thanks to the influence of some Kant philosopher).
How would you react if a person with open sores all over his body came up to you and started telling you how great the open sores were, and that you need the open sores too?
Christianity is a contagion that turns it's victim into a zombie. The chance of getting stabbed in the back by a Christian is VERY high. So the best course of action is to avoid the Christian.
Don't believe me? Forsake Jesus Christ and declare the White-Race as your highest power. You won't do it because the mind-virus turned you into an NPC and it won't allow you to.
I would tell you jews this: that there are plenty of white people who accepted that disgusting judaism religion into their lives and whether you are askenazi or sephardic or whatever that you have knowingly damned your children to Hell so quit complaining - Jesus gave you one last chance to repent.
Oh and that you can stomp your own jew babies for adrenaline/adrenochrome soaked blood like you have done for so many thousands of years.
Even the most religious feel that, as Jesus said not to let it be shown publicly your prayers and thoughts that should only be meant for God.
Most people can’t really even explain the reaction they are feeling, or it brings in too many feelings, emotions, memories, etc. which affects all conversation.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 12 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:53:54 ago (+12/-0)
[ + ] letsgetit
[ - ] letsgetit 2 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:59:21 ago (+4/-2)
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 00:43:19 ago (+0/-0)
Christianity was supposed to enslave whites, instead the Reformation happened and we reached the moon.
For hundred years now (they) have been teaching retards to be atheists aka Christian haters.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 07:52:13 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Portmanure
[ - ] Portmanure 7 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:06:15 ago (+8/-1)
[ + ] Name
[ - ] Name -1 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 22:55:20 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] dingbat
[ - ] dingbat 6 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 19:15:46 ago (+6/-0)
[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 6 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:10:23 ago (+6/-0)
The US & Canada are Protestant countries with laws based on Protestantism. The exact flavor was most closely represented in the Walton's TV show.
They equate it with fundamentalist israeli jew worshipping apocalyptic poor fundies because the media fed them that image, and the media is their religion. They believe in the core of their being that the media exists to make them smarter. It's their cult.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:31:38 ago (+0/-0)
Experimental data and empirical verification, that's what I apply to all things.
I believe the scientific method is the best means of generating knowledge and formulating opinion (that is, assuming you have a goal, the method can find you the best way to accomplishing it).
That makes me scientistic, but only in the definitely sense, I'm leagues apart from most "science fans".
I think religious claims need to be treated more fairly, there is a clear bias against them, and against religions in general.
Especially Christianity which gets the most hate from everywhere. Why is it hated?
I think that it is precisely because modern Christians aren't like they used to be, aggressive and violent.
That's how a religion gets regarded as peaceful, by being the opposite towards their critics.
I've lived through the invention of Islamophobia, Islamophobia was a concept that came into existence after Muslims repeatedly committed acts of murder every time their religion was called violent.
I think that's also why White people are such targets, everybody knows we could just destroy anyone who offends us, but we don't.
That's what gets you to be the target of hatred, and when you are hated they will look for reason to hate you and fling them at you.
Nobody actually gives a flying fuck about the transatlantic slave trade or the holohoax, these are just ways of justifying attacks on white people that prevents them from retaliating.
If Christians started putting people to the sword for blasphemy, they would have to do it for a while until it becomes expected from them and the old peaceful Christians are forgotten.
But when that happens, people will stop talking about how brutally oppressive Christians were and are, they will probably start defending them from any sort of criticism, it'll nominally be in the name of combating christophobia, but actually it'll be because they know Christians will kick some asses if they get upset.
Men are easily able to overpower women, yet we do not, and so women hate us the way blacks hate whites.
The reasons don't matter, whatever arguments they make are simply justifications they know will cause us to tolerate this treatment.
The real reason any group is hated today is that we stopped being willing to physically attack those who attacked us verbally.
When you have strength, yet refrain from using it against those who offend you, it is an insult against them that makes you worthy of death in their eyes.
We have insulted the world twice, first by being superior by nature, second by being unwilling to use our natural advantages to the fullest extent in order to establish dominance over those who are inferior by nature.
Whites are hated because we refuse to exercise our potential for dominance ever though we are known to have it.
Society becomes less racist when we start wrecking anyone who insults our race.
If the original nazis were around in force today, an actual threat, then people would probably be a little bit less willing to talk about national socialism.
It is better to be feared than loved, if you are feared you are less likely to be hated, becauee it is dangerous to hate that which you know to be dangerous. We should seek to be loved too, to say and do that which is admirable, and to extend kindness to others where we could afford to. But we should be feared first and foremost, they must recognize our lack of violence as a measure of our restraint, and not as a measure of our harmlessness. We must be the dangerous black princes who are known not to be crossed. Thoroughly good men can rule only briefly, evil men for a bit more, and those who are good by nature yet also to be evil when the need comes for it tend to rule for the longest time.
[ + ] letsgetit
[ - ] letsgetit 5 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:56:38 ago (+6/-1)
A lot of idiots revel in today's modern Christianity without seeing the downsides. This is the average person you hear trying to talk to you about their 'faith'.
This is not to say there's no upside. And 'some' of the parables and stories are good with roots in the pagan culture before conversion
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 4 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 20:35:15 ago (+4/-0)*
It's the same feeling, for all the same reasons.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:45:03 ago (+0/-0)*
It does feel the exact same way, doesn't it?
I think there's a fear element to it, you disagree with this but know it's popular wirh an influential crowd.
And you worry that it's going to become this dominant cultural force on society.
And you worry that whatever good is achieved in society since the adoption of this ideology will be credited to this ideological shift.
And you also know that this same ideological clique strongly disagree with something you believe strongly in.
And that whatever you believe to be true or beneficial is going to be rejected for a long time until the hate of it dies down.
Perhaps that will be your entire lifetime. So you wish you could prove to the world that whatever you believe in is better/truer than these people think it is.
Something along those lines.
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 00:58:00 ago (+1/-0)
Also, while they are the one that brought the subject up, you know they have zero interest in discussing its merits or genuinely considering differing opinions or criticisms. They just want to preach at you and expect you to validate their beliefs.
So it makes you feel like you suddenly have to walk on eggshells, or else risk a confrontational scene. In which you will inevitably be at a disadvantage, due to their opinion being popular with the influential crowd, which has a reputation for cruelly persecuting those who dare to disagree.
Whether intended or not, this comes across as a sleazy power play on their part: Demanding you submit and play along, or even daring you to say something that will get you mobbed by their fellow zealots.
It's particularly frustrating when you were trying to have an important or meaningful discussion about something that is - or should be - entirely unrelated, and they derail that discussion in this manner.
[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 3 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:49:17 ago (+4/-1)
I think it's related to how the religion is spread, similar to the reaction you get when a salesperson is pushing on your emotional triggers. You can tell they're of a set mind, nothing will change what they think, and they are using practiced techniques to get something out of you (to join them or at least passively let them stand unopposed and dominate the conversation) That pressure and especially any part of it that's disingenuous creates a sense of disgust.
There's also a threat of conflict if you disagree which covers the fear side.
That said the Christian Nationalists have been taking the most real world actions against the jews (HT and Torba are the ones I'm thinking of) so while I have plenty of concerns about the jewish origin of Christianity and how it destroyed European White religions, I leave them alone about it since I'd rather support their pro-White actions in solidarity.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 01:21:00 ago (+1/-0)
I do hope that my correspondences with Torba in the past was what helped him develop his beliefs, because he sure didn't start out as one of a like mind. I was worried he was working with the establishment as controlled opposition, and he might have been so unwittingly, but now he is not, and I feel great about it.
I like this one site on the deepweb that is an everything goes text board, there's no way to post pictures or links to anything (anything that so much as looks like it might contain a hidden hyperlink address is removed). It's just text, but you can say anything there, so long as it stays with the character limit. Anyway, for a time that was my GAB, I was getting very good discussion and information. I noticed the formation of a consensus that was very different from what the users were originally on there about. They went from one kind of people to the people who hate those kinds of people.
That's me, I went from christian to atheist, from being a leftard into being "far right", I think I've had enough discussions with myself and others that I've essentially did what these largely unmoderated anonymous discussion platforms such as 4chan did to an entire generation. Though I've also sought out and used those same sites.
When I tell people that the modern pro-white movement wouldn't exist without 4chan and the new atheists of youtube I get laughed at because these two groups today are seen as being as far as you could get from pro-whites, but that is where the far right had indeed originated, within these two groups. Perhaps they've become so opposite to each other precisely BECAUSE the origins of the one lay in these two others.
Yes, the NS ideology did begin in Germany in the 1930s, but the popular support for it was small, weak, and dying out when the internet came to people's homes, the most you'd see of them was as actors on jerry springer, White Pride in general was on the way out, the western world was "like 95% post-racial".
What changed all that and took Pro-White ideologies out of the trailer parks and into the realm of being taken seriously was 4chan and youtube. It wasn't sited dedicated to them like "Stormfront", it was the trolls on /b/ and the atheists on youtube.
Now, a lot of people could see the series of events that led to the "far right" emerging from 4chan, but of the "god wars" on early youtube, shouldn't it have been the christians who started moving to White Identity?
No, it wasn't them and couldn't have been them because back then everything was completely different than it is today, the christians were using words like "nazi" and "racist" as go-to attacks and claiming that atheism was the cause of being these things.
The atheists back then were a lot more like the christians are today, they took the idea of using science and philosophy to interrogate everything seriously, as there was no dogma established among atheists back then.
Plenty of them took the accusations of being immoral and prone to bigotry seriously and became the most morally-righteous anti-bigots you could know. But plenty of them also reacted to the accusations by choosing to interrogate the "racist nazi" position.
The effects on many of those was the same as you saw with the 4chan trolls who began with arguing for the most offensive and indefensible positions they could think of, and actually discovering (to their bemused surprise) that there was a good case to what everyone (normies) had simply KNEW was wrong and evil and only believed in by those crazy guys who were dying out.
Everything you've seen in Pro-White politics has come from the people who started out as youtube atheists and as the userbase of 4chan's /b/ board.
The far right is populated with Christians now because of who their enemies were, and the enemy was full of militant atheists who hated Christianity. It got to the point where people who were atheists themselves like Richard Spencer started advocating for a cultural Christianity, as to him the fedoras were raging against the Christian mythology which had been the foundation of so much of the culture of the European ("White") peoples. Also he liked how Jews hated it.
The alt-right of the 2010s was pretty damn awesome, they accomplished so much simply because they got out in large groups and attracted a lot of attention. All it too for them to win was to be allowed to argue for their own side, they had the truth when it came to science, history, and stats, and they had the most down-to-earth pragmatic arguments for white rights, interests, and identity.
I know it's fun to bash on the like of dickie spence but he and is friends were actually quite genius when it came to effective activism. I think that it was after the 2020 election that everything just kinda died for them, it was already dying for the alt-right at that point but just seeing Biden be elected president on a clearly fraudulent election that the courts refused to hear the case of despite knowing all the fuckery that was afoot during it. Yeah, that was truly when it was over.
No one respects Spencer or his affiliates anymore. Just like nobody knows who WT Snacks or Christopher Poole is anymore. We've seen the end of an era. It's all over now, has been for years. But fuck it was good wen it lasted.
Sometimes I wanna be born again in the 90s, just to do this all over again while growing up as a kid in the 2000s.
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[ - ] deleted 2 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 00:53:10 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 01:27:51 ago (+0/-0)
The left speaks about all their -isms -phobias anti-xs and other such bigotries as if they were some kind of unquestionably certain objective evil.
Sometimes things produce such a strong emotion in you that you cannot help but be blind to just how many ways they could be questioned.
Other times things are so apparent to you that you have trouble even imagining how people couldn't see things in the exact way you see them, and it FEELS so damn right to you that you have a hard time even considering the questions raised about this metaphysical assumption.
[ + ] Imsickofmakingusernames
[ - ] Imsickofmakingusernames 2 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:23:30 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:35:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Panic
[ - ] Panic 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 01:17:55 ago (+1/-0)
Starting in my late teens, I began to read the entire New Testament and discovered that these preaching apes did not themselves know the Bible, but were mimicking the junk they heard in church sermons and Sunday School. I've been in enough churches of various denominations to know that the sermons are rarely profound. But there's always the fear factor plus the money grubbing.
The Bible is okay with me but never so the people pretending to know the will of God. Not opposed to Jesus, just his ignorant and unruly mob of church members..
[ + ] recon_johnny
[ - ] recon_johnny 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 21:30:31 ago (+1/-0)
I just got into an argument/discussion where the other person proclaimed their faith, that everything was going to be taken care of, God was aware/around/and in control...when reality shows things to be different. It prohibits people from being proactive and at least reactive, because you feel someone else will take over and take care of you.
Actually bro, I get it. Just typing this. It's the Q thing. Same principles: no personal responsibility...giving up any action to someone else...that's it, dude. Your Lord and Savior will take care of you, and you don't have to do anything but believe.
Unless you frame the discussion differently, that's how you sound to people.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 00:04:48 ago (+0/-0)
BTW, its not just something experienced in reaction to Christians and what their beliefs as Christians are.
In myself I've noticed that every time I hear someone talk about some vague "gods" in plural or some specific plurality of "gods" that exist in a work of fantasy, I cringe.
Why can't we have fantasy factions that are monotheistic and not evil imperialists? The empire of mankind from warhammer is monotheistic (they worship the Emperor God and none other, with the exception of some machine cults whose heresy is barely tolerated because they are so useful to the empire) and pretty much a 1:1 with the way the holy roman empire was, just in the future (fitting as that was the inspiration).
Also of note are the hammerites from the "thief" series, who worship the one God they believe to exist, the God that turned the city from a monster-filled forest into the mass of steel and concrete it is by the series' beginning, erecting the walls and fires that keep the creatures out.
In contrast to the pagans they used to be and their hidden remnants the hammerite church is constantly at war with, whose polytheistic religions they had banned and whose practice was literally driven underground, most old faith pretend to be hammerites up on the surface but worship the old gods in secret underneath the city streets or just outside the walls.
[ + ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod
[ - ] BlueEyedAngloMasterRaceGod 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 20:51:13 ago (+1/-0)
it's obvious BS and you know it, you cling on only because it's the last widespread institution representing morality. but the basis it stands on to deliver that morality is nonsense. and no, dumb fucks, morality does not come from the jews, it existed well before any bible was written, it exists in all ancient societies.
[ + ] StealthNinjaTaliban
[ - ] StealthNinjaTaliban 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 20:37:30 ago (+1/-0)
Use secular morality so you can lecture people without bringing god into it. Then at the end you can remind them that organized religion agrees with your logic.
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[ - ] ruck_feddit 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 21:12:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:33:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager
[ - ] PearofAnguishJuniorManager 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 20:34:35 ago (+1/-0)*
I once volunteered to pick up old people and bring them to church on thanksgiving. Church wasn’t my thing, I sat in the parking lot till the party was over so I could take them home. An ever growing committee kept coming out and try to convert me. After the third year, I quit. They drained me of charity. I can be a good person without having to believe what they believe. They didn’t see it that way.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:46:21 ago (+0/-0)
It can be quite fun, and it's a good way to meet your future wife, I've heard.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:40:05 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] -1 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 23:34:22 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] UncleDoug
[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 14:39:27 ago (+0/-0)
The White race must take precedence before all else, especially before some dumb sand nigger mythology.
[ + ] jsac
[ - ] jsac 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 04:22:38 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PORTforceOne
[ - ] PORTforceOne 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 03:42:13 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] albatrosv15
[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 14, 2023 01:44:30 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Deathstalker
[ - ] Deathstalker 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 22:51:20 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 21:13:31 ago (+0/-0)
There is often a pushiness to it too, which repels people like a hot fart.
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 21:01:40 ago (+0/-0)
Belief is all emotions without follow-up actions.
If your boots ain't on the ground walking out your faith you just playing religion LOL.
[ + ] Pasty
[ - ] Pasty 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 19:50:29 ago (+5/-5)
Most people's religion is the one of brain chemical worship and anything that cuts of the supply of dopamine is seen as a threat.
[ + ] Peleg
[ - ] Peleg 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 19:18:22 ago (+2/-2)
For others they do feel a real sense of revulsion because they are in the presence of one of God's followers but they themselves are one of the servants of satan. They do the will of their god the devil and can't stand to be around followers of God.
[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 22:58:42 ago (+0/-0)
Why don't I feel that?
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[ + ] AntiPostmodernist
[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 15, 2023 14:48:56 ago (+0/-0)
What is the basis of "objectivity" in religious morality?
It's just the opinion of God, why should it matter more than any other opinion?
Especially since we don't know if God has a God to give him the proper objective morals he requires to give us objective morals.
You better hope he does, because otherwise you are just getting the relative moral opinions of an atheist, and treating them as if they came from some objective source.
If "goodness" is an inherent property of God.
Well how could we know? God could just be telling lies about himself and we'd have no way of even approximating whether he's telling the truth, we have to decide whether to trust him or not.
As morally flawed being who cannot make good moral decisions on our own without God, how could we know what "goodness" even is? Maybe it's something we DON'T want, something we'd consider to be BAD.
Is raping a child wrong? most Christians think so, but there's no age of consent in the Holy Bible, despite it being chock full of sex laws.
Is killing a child wrong? Most Christians think so, but according to his own book God did it in massive numbers at least twice.
But by the morally relativistic standards of mere people such as yourself these are likely some of the worst crimes you could commit.
But for God it's "good"?
Yes, it is, it's called "divine command", the morality here is exactly what I advocate, finding some "king" and framing your moral views around them, what's beneficial for them or their interests is good, what's bad for them or their interests is evil, and the "king" themselves can do no wrong, they can only do right. For the king, all is justifiable.
The problem with individualism is that there are too many "kings", the problem with certain forms of collectivism is that the "king" isn't a person but an idea, and somehow people assume that's better (thanks to the influence of some Kant philosopher).
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[ + ] Thought_Criminal
[ - ] Thought_Criminal 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 18:20:24 ago (+3/-3)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:30:30 ago (+7/-7)*
Christianity is a contagion that turns it's victim into a zombie. The chance of getting stabbed in the back by a Christian is VERY high. So the best course of action is to avoid the Christian.
Don't believe me? Forsake Jesus Christ and declare the White-Race as your highest power. You won't do it because the mind-virus turned you into an NPC and it won't allow you to.
[ + ] SumerBreeze
[ - ] SumerBreeze 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:45:57 ago (+4/-4)
Oh and that you can stomp your own jew babies for adrenaline/adrenochrome soaked blood like you have done for so many thousands of years.
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 3 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:47:57 ago (+6/-3)
[ + ] SumerBreeze
[ - ] SumerBreeze 1 point 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:51:02 ago (+3/-2)
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[ + ] SumerBreeze
[ - ] SumerBreeze 0 points 2.2 yearsMar 13, 2023 17:20:09 ago (+1/-1)
Most people can’t really even explain the reaction they are feeling, or it brings in too many feelings, emotions, memories, etc. which affects all conversation.